If he gets deported what's to prevent him from coming back? He was here illegally to begin what will deporting them do other than force them to cross the border again?
If he gets deported what's to prevent him from coming back? He was here illegally to begin what will deporting them do other than force them to cross the border again?
waggy
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ahh but if they actually did something about it or actually enforced the laws. many people would not be in office. Its a great tool to get elected. either you are for illegal's and get that vote or you are against them and get that vote. all teh while neither side are actually going to anyhting that actually works.
Personally i think the milatary should be on the boarders and not trying to play police in other parts of the world. Secure the boarders and enforce the laws.
BUT we also need to allow a # of workers in and speed up the process of immagration. though Mexico really needs to do something to improve itself so people want to stay there.
oh and what does this have to do with drinking? not much. only thing to say is if the goverment were enforcing the laws the guy would have been departed before he got drunk and killed her.
Entertaining.
I actually don't mind Bill O'Reilly. I disagree with him so often and when I do agree with him on issues it's usually for much different reasons.
I actually don't mind Bill O'Reilly. I disagree with him so often and when I do agree with him on issues it's usually for much different reasons.
Geraldo is right. It is all our own fault.
Lord knows how hard we work to lure them here. I mean, just the other day, I went to Mexico with Power Point presentations and sworn affidavits saying that they were entitled to come here without any process and will be given free medical, education, welfare and a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The week before that, I was all over Europe and Asia doing the same thing.
Way to go Geraldo!
Lord knows how hard we work to lure them here. I mean, just the other day, I went to Mexico with Power Point presentations and sworn affidavits saying that they were entitled to come here without any process and will be given free medical, education, welfare and a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The week before that, I was all over Europe and Asia doing the same thing.
Way to go Geraldo!
This is really the only problem with unlawful entry, IMO. Undocumented aliens need to give birth...so the woman goes into labor, she's rushed to the hospital...she gives birth, and she doesn't have to pay. The children she has are given a lot of free healthcare, they are given free education, etc...while the parents are often times working under the table or not making very much money and not putting into the system. Our system has created every incentive in the world to come here. If a lady is pregnant...all she needs to do is walk over and give birth and she stays and we fit the bill for her child.
JM Aggie08
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A woman does not have an anchor baby to get free stuff. Illegals are given special treatment all the time, anchor babies or not. Anchor babies allow the parents to stay and once they become legal, they can sponsor a certain number of ppl to come here, too (I think it is five if i remember correctly).
You are right. Why do we even have jails -- criminals can just get out and perform the same crime again!
Fayd
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crime is more prevalent among the illegal immigrant population than the population as a whole.
kick the bastards out.
moshquerade
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ok, i watched it. both of them have a passion for the point they are trying to convey. push comes to shove the judge, major, police chief or whoever let this guy go after he had broken the law before this should have most of the anger directed towards him.
I just told you the problem. Free treatment, etc...if we didn't give that, it wouldn't be a problem at all. Yes, we've always had immigrants in this country (like the Irish), but the older waves of the immigrants (again, like the Irish), didn't have access to free healthcare and government support. Now that there is access...huge waves of immigrants (especially illegals) can really cause some financial problems. Why? Because we're talking about thousands upon thousands of people entering this country way way way below the poverty line.
The problem is that they are here illegally. that is the first and foremost problem. They should not be rewarded with anything. Not citizenship, not funding, nothing.
After that... it is a society problem. There is not really any way that any society can sustain a huge influx of another culture and mass of people and survive as it was. The very principles that the country stands for would cease to exist and the country would be entirely different.
For example...
This country was founded on immigration. People came here, were processed legally.. fingerprinted, checked for diseases and had to pass a myriad of processes before they were allowed status in this country. They assimilated. They learned the language, the customs and the laws. They were proud to be here and worked like mad to better themselves and contribute to this country... but mostly they assimilated.
Now, suppose we have these 12 million illegals (if they admit to 12, we can pretty much put it more like 20 million) and gave them a free pass. Well, what do you suppose they are gonna do? They are gonna register to vote. And they will vote for open borders, multilingual schools, free education, free medical, free EVERYthing and they will probably vote to make the sponsorship numbers greater than 5.
I believe this to be true because they did not earn their right to be here. They were given it as a reward for breaking the law, by being illegal. It is human nature that ppl dont respect and appreciate what they steal/are given the same way as they do when they earned it.
The country we know will no longer exist.
And who is gonna pay for it all? businesses are already outsourcing and leaving in droves due to high taxes and unrealistic employment restrictions. People with money are already looking for loopholes to keep a bit more of what they have earned legally and not have it taken off them.
I believe that the majority of ppl that come here illegally are not the highly trained, the highly educated and highly skilled. I believe they are on the lower end of the earning scale, thus cannot put into the system what they will be looking to take out.
This is what I believe to be true. My evidence of this is purely anecdotal, based on my life, my area and what I have seen change in the last 5 years. I am NOT against immigration, but I AM against the free-for-all that is happening now.
YMMV.
actually that was wrong. there are many 'illegals' who came here legally however due to various circumstances lost their 'legal status'. if you would like to re-word that to be correct, fine. but as stated, is ignorant and incorrect. and if you think that 'illegals' keep a 'low profile' you are also incorrect.
Wow, that Bill O'Reilly guy sure is aggressive. I saw another clip of him physically intimidating a guy by leaning forward and making hand gestures.
They should put me on that show. He's get pissed because I wouldn't flinch, and I'd probably end up smacking the sh*t out of him.
if you reread your constitution, they are natural rights that apply to all people. Everyone has the same civil rights, regardless of citizenship status. Political rights are something else entirely.
I see you bought into the old fairy tale.
The fact is is the assimilation never happened. Look around in big cities, you see places where local immigrant populations are predominiant (polish, irish, chinese, jewish, black, cuban, etc). Go to the countryside and there are places were english didn't become the predominant language until the last 20-30 years.
somehow i doubt that ~8 million new voters will bring in a new era in the american electorate and completely overwhelm the other 120 million voters. :roll:
What did you do to earn your right to be an american? The exact same thing those "anchor" babies did.
wow its not like we haven't been hearing this for 250+ years now. Somehow the anglo-saxon culture manages to be far predominant despite only ~15% of the population having engling heritage.
If anything we need more workers, the unemployment rate is below "full" employment, and there are too many jobs for everyone to work.
edited for formating.
Actually, no. Most immigration violations are not criminal offenses. The vast majority of illegals charged with immigration violations are charged CIVILY. It is actually extremely rare for criminal charges to result from an initial illegal entry in the United States. Typically, criminal charges are not levied until they re-enter illegally a number of times .
Therefore, 100% of illegals did NOT commit a crime. They committed a civil offense. The vast majority not only didn't commit crimes when they entered here, and they don't commit them once they get here.
Your problem should be with the poor immigration system we have and the incredibly lax border security we have. If we had a proper and working legal immigration system (not a system that is just NOW (2007) processing Visas from 1992 for some Mexicans that applied legally, and a strict border policy then all your complaints would vanish.
Until then you can rail all you want about illegals, but the problem is the system. They would not be here if there wasn't demand for them. They wouldn't be here illegally if there was even a SLIGHT possability that they could come here legally.
1) nowhere does it say that you have to be a citizen to recieve rights.
2) the constitution provides that rights not expressly granted to the government lie with the states, or the people. By that, you can discern that then government cannot remove rights from a given group.
Just because the constitution does not explicitely say that you can't deny rights to non-citizens, does not mean that you can deny them rights.
3) from the 14th:
4) from the declaration of independence:
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