Bill Cosby meme generator, what could go wrong?

[Dr. Zaus]

For one thing they're all men, and male rape is such an infrequent occurrence that I would be surprised to have ever heard from even one person who had experienced it.

Over 50% of those who are raped are men.

Nope, they were definitely roofied by one of what is always a decently long list of people who they think have it in for them.

I've experienced hearing of such things as well and had the same take away.

This is part of the war on men.

There is no "war on men" there are a few tumbler shit-heads who say asinine crap like "every time a penis is put into a vagina its rape"; but that's like saying that just because Spidey and his ilk are over at storm front that there's a "war on black people"

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Over 50% of those who are raped are men.

And 94% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[norseamd]

Bill Cosby Jokes About Drugging Girls with "Spanish Fly" In 1969 Comedy Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx6KAd_Su3I

LOL?

http://io9.com/5983275/why-spanish-fly-only-works-on-men--and-is-deadly

 

[HamburgerBoy]

These women claim they were drugged, their memories clouded by that, yet somehow they remember enough detail 30 or even 50 years later to be able to definitely claim rape. Sounds like strong evidence to me.

What does lack of memory at a given point have to do with retention of memory shortly after regaining memory? If a person remembers being conscious in a person's home, drinking something, and then having a lapse of memory that continues until they wake up in some dude's bed, I think the waking up part is going to be hard to forget.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

People throw around the term "roofie" a lot where it doesn't belong though. I personally have 2-3 friends with stories about times they were supposedly roofied, and have heard stories from far more people than that. For most of them there would seem to be no point to drug them. For one thing they're all men, and male rape is such an infrequent occurrence that I would be surprised to have ever heard from even one person who had experienced it. For another none of them ended up getting raped, they just all felt a bit woozier than the amount of alcohol they consumed would seem to indicate. Of course they're never 100% sure exactly how much alcohol they really had on those nights either. All of them think that it's impossible that what might have been their 4th or might have been their 17th vodka shot might have tipped them over the edge all by itself, or maybe it was the prescription opiates they forgot about that someone was passing around to improve the levity of the night. Nope, they were definitely roofied by one of what is always a decently long list of people who they think have it in for them. I think it's a kind of narcissism really that causes them to think anyone cares enough one way or another to drug them out of spite.

Of course the situation is different when we have a lot of women who specifically remember some suspicious and ill-define "medicine" that they strangely enough took without question and with no apparent need for any kind of medicine. I think that despite their stories, most of them thought they were taking something that would get them high, and good old Bill said nothing to dispose them of that idea. Perhaps that was exactly what it did too, in addition to eventually rendering them insensate so he could get busy.

Who cares whether or not it is technically a "roofie"? You think a person that has had 17 shots of vodka is able to consent?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Who cares whether or not it is technically a "roofie"? You think a person that has had 17 shots of vodka is able to consent?

Well the situation has a bit of a different feel to it when you completely remove the other party who supposedly maliciously drugged them doesn't it?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Well the situation has a bit of a different feel to it when you completely remove the other party who supposedly maliciously drugged them doesn't it?

Eh, I can agree that there is a notable difference but it's just a matter of degree. The most significant thing is the rape itself. Imagine if it was an opposite situation where a barfly wanted to steal some dude's watch, in one case slipping him a roofie, in another waiting until he passed out. A drug charge would add on top of it, but the theft/rape/etc is the biggest crime.

 

[xBiffx]

What does lack of memory at a given point have to do with retention of memory shortly after regaining memory? If a person remembers being conscious in a person's home, drinking something, and then having a lapse of memory that continues until they wake up in some dude's bed, I think the waking up part is going to be hard to forget.

It took them decades to suddenly remember that he raped them? Or just decades to finally decide to do something about it? Take your pick.

If what they said was true, they had ample evidence to do something about it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It took them decades to suddenly remember that he raped them? Or just decades to finally decide to do something about it? Take your pick.

If what they said was true, they had ample evidence to do something about it.

The latter, obviously. They don't necessarily have much evidence of it happening, which is one of the reasons many rapes go unreported.

 

[LegendKiller]

There is no "war on men" there are a few tumbler shit-heads who say asinine crap like "every time a penis is put into a vagina its rape"; but that's like saying that just because Spidey and his ilk are over at storm front that there's a "war on black people"

So Gamergate is not that? What about the engineer's shirt? If a woman was wearing a shirt with a bunch of bare chested guys nobody would say a damn word. Why? Because she can get away with it because she is a woman.

It's reverse sexism at this point. Women can do *no* wrong.

Look at Cosby, the second he defends himself and says these women were consenting or knew what would happen, or contradict them in *any* way, suddenly he is "slut shaming" or preventing others from coming forward.

There is no fucking way he can win, none. He simply cannot defend himself in any way possible without making the situation worse.

I see it in my son's school. Because he's a boy and energetic, like almost all boys, he gets put into some other category. He needs to be like a girl, quiet, accepting. Anything less and he gets chucked into some special category. Some asshole even suggested they could give him drugs to "calm him down", a fucking 3yr old. All because he won't sit still like a girl. The look I gave the "occupational therapist" probably shocked her enough that I didn't even need to say "are you crazy?".

Look at child support. Look at how many fucked up cases where you see a guy having to pay child support for a kid that isn't even his, even when he proves it isn't. Or when you see a woman utterly reject the guy's opinion on a kid (abortion or adoption) and he suddenly has to accept her decision, no matter what, because it is "her body" and he needs to pay, no matter what.

What about when you don't get married to your GF and you have kids. You're uber-fucked then. Why? Because she can move wherever she wants and you have to accept the fact you have no rights, none. I have seen it twice now where the woman moved across the country with her new beau and the father gets uber-fucked with visitation and other rights. Then he has to pay for much more since they aren't close.

Even when you are the dad it's automatically assumed the woman is better, the bias towards custody is glaring. You cannot deny that.


There is no war on men? ROFL, you have to be fucking kidding me.

 

[zinfamous]

Personally I think this is probably a lot more to do with their willingness to attach themselves to him and do certain things and now turn around and claim "rape". The fact they wouldn't do a single thing for decades and then suddenly jump on the bandwagon only provides further evidence of this.

I doubt he was running around raping women to rape women. If anything he partied and they went along with it and now society's definition of rape has changed where the man is 100% at fault for anything.

weird how many times this has to be repeated:

--these aren't new reports, and it's not like they haven't been trying to do anything about it. They have reported this to the police. Many times over

Seth Rogen was on Maher last night, and he mentioned that in the comedian/celebrity world, these rumors about Cosby have been around for a long time.

I don't know, the dude always seems to have kept his distance from the regular celebrity world and, it seems likewise, his peers have had a pretty negative opinion about him for just as many years.

 

[LegendKiller]

weird how many times this has to be repeated:

--these aren't new reports, and it's not like they haven't been trying to do anything about it. They have reported this to the police. Many times over

Seth Rogen was on Maher last night, and he mentioned that in the comedian/celebrity world, these rumors about Cosby have been around for a long time.

I don't know, the dude always seems to have kept his distance from the regular celebrity world and, it seems likewise, his peers have had a pretty negative opinion about him for just as many years.

Some people get reps undeservedly. All it takes is one guy to start something and you're screwed. Other times people get no reps for whatever reason but deserve one.

If it is true and somebody can prove it, fine, do it and we can cast the asshole off. However, I'm a lot more skeptical if nobody has a single shred of real proof yet everybody wants to trash him.

 

[zinfamous]

Some people get reps undeservedly. All it takes is one guy to start something and you're screwed. Other times people get no reps for whatever reason but deserve one.

If it is true and somebody can prove it, fine, do it and we can cast the asshole off. However, I'm a lot more skeptical if nobody has a single shred of real proof yet everybody wants to trash him.

Being that it's a celebrity, skepticism is natural. However, these are based on multiple independent reports. The fact that the details are so similar, from separate women that never knew any of the other information--and date back to a period when Cosby was certainly no celebrity--raises the alarm, imo.

 

[LegendKiller]

Being that it's a celebrity, skepticism is natural. However, these are based on multiple independent reports. The fact that the details are so similar, from separate women that never knew any of the other information--and date back to a period when Cosby was certainly no celebrity--raises the alarm, imo.

I guess you have to account for the time, drugs and more free wheeling sex was more common. Sexism was more common and these situations were not as irregular as they are now.

That's even assuming that they haven't taken the cue from others.

 

[zinfamous]

I guess you have to account for the time, drugs and more free wheeling sex was more common. Sexism was more common and these situations were not as irregular as they are now.

That's even assuming that they haven't taken the cue from others.

I wouldn't be surprised if some are and have been bogus--as he seems to have had that reputation long enough that enough details could be found through police reports.

I don't think it's fair to use the culture at the time as justification for such behavior. Say harassment was common, rape was more common (we just didn't call it that!); that still doesn't mean it was right. And, that being said, I also don't think it's fair to go back and change your mind based on a contemporary appreciation of today's culture: "Oh, well, I think it was more OK then, but now I think he raped me!"

I'm not OK with both of those situations; but I don't this issue as being either of those. The accusations are that he intentionally drugged them to force himself on them--and shit, in one case, we're talking a 15-17 year old girl.

Throughout the years, did many of them put themselves in a position to be taken advantage of--were some of them probably entranced by his celebrity and power? Yeah, I bet. But is it their fault for being raped? Of course not.

Provocative dress is justification for being groped, or worse?

 

[LegendKiller]

I wouldn't be surprised if some are and have been bogus--as he seems to have had that reputation long enough that enough details could be found through police reports.

I don't think it's fair to use the culture at the time as justification for such behavior. Say harassment was common, rape was more common (we just didn't call it that!); that still doesn't mean it was right. And, that being said, I also don't think it's fair to go back and change your mind based on a contemporary appreciation of today's culture: "Oh, well, I think it was more OK then, but now I think he raped me!"

I'm not OK with both of those situations; but I don't this issue as being either of those. The accusations are that he intentionally drugged them to force himself on them--and shit, in one case, we're talking a 15-17 year old girl.

Throughout the years, did many of them put themselves in a position to be taken advantage of--were some of them probably entranced by his celebrity and power? Yeah, I bet. But is it their fault for being raped? Of course not.

Provocative dress is justification for being groped, or worse?

Again, it depends on what you term rate and whether or not it was actually rape and not consensual and now women are terming it as rape.

Never said provocative dress is justification, but intent before and after is important.

 

[zinfamous]

Again, it depends on what you term rate and whether or not it was actually rape and not consensual and now women are terming it as rape.

Never said provocative dress is justification, but intent before and after is important.

I think intent before/after (regarding Cosby and the women) is less of a mystery when it seems that he needs to drug these women.

Sure, that could be a fabrication as well, but probably just with the later accusers that are probably aware of these stories.

At least with Ferrigno's wife in the article above--she isn't claiming rape. She's claiming that Cosby grabbed her and kissed during the few minutes that her then-boyfriend went off to take a whiz. She pushed him away and left immediately.

So, at least there isn't someone claiming pills and rape, so really nothing to gain financially or otherwise.

 

[Printer Bandit]

 

[Dari]

So Gamergate is not that? What about the engineer's shirt? If a woman was wearing a shirt with a bunch of bare chested guys nobody would say a damn word. Why? Because she can get away with it because she is a woman.

It's reverse sexism at this point. Women can do *no* wrong.

Look at Cosby, the second he defends himself and says these women were consenting or knew what would happen, or contradict them in *any* way, suddenly he is "slut shaming" or preventing others from coming forward.

There is no fucking way he can win, none. He simply cannot defend himself in any way possible without making the situation worse.

I see it in my son's school. Because he's a boy and energetic, like almost all boys, he gets put into some other category. He needs to be like a girl, quiet, accepting. Anything less and he gets chucked into some special category. Some asshole even suggested they could give him drugs to "calm him down", a fucking 3yr old. All because he won't sit still like a girl. The look I gave the "occupational therapist" probably shocked her enough that I didn't even need to say "are you crazy?".

Look at child support. Look at how many fucked up cases where you see a guy having to pay child support for a kid that isn't even his, even when he proves it isn't. Or when you see a woman utterly reject the guy's opinion on a kid (abortion or adoption) and he suddenly has to accept her decision, no matter what, because it is "her body" and he needs to pay, no matter what.

What about when you don't get married to your GF and you have kids. You're uber-fucked then. Why? Because she can move wherever she wants and you have to accept the fact you have no rights, none. I have seen it twice now where the woman moved across the country with her new beau and the father gets uber-fucked with visitation and other rights. Then he has to pay for much more since they aren't close.

Even when you are the dad it's automatically assumed the woman is better, the bias towards custody is glaring. You cannot deny that.


There is no war on men? ROFL, you have to be fucking kidding me.

True. In most games you have guys getting killed and abused in unimaginable ways but we don't hear a peep. Suddenly, there's fake outrage over women getting killed in video games. BFD.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Again, it depends on what you term rate and whether or not it was actually rape and not consensual and now women are terming it as rape.

Every single one of the women who is claiming rape has claimed to have been drugged. Is drugging someone so you can have sex with them while they're passed out EVER consensual? Have you not read any of the stories? You seem to be reflexively jumping on the "women are just out to attack men" angle with less evidence than the people you claim are jumping to conclusions. I can't fathom your mindset in these posts. You normally seem reasonable; in this thread, you make Texashiker seem enlightened.

 

[LegendKiller]

Every single one of the women who is claiming rape has claimed to have been drugged. Is drugging someone so you can have sex with them while they're passed out EVER consensual? Have you not read any of the stories? You seem to be reflexively jumping on the "women are just out to attack men" angle with less evidence than the people you claim are jumping to conclusions. I can't fathom your mindset in these posts. You normally seem reasonable; in this thread, you make Texashiker seem enlightened.

Ohh please, we know *one* side of the story without a single shred of proof. This is what I am talking about, you know absolutely nothing about it but suddenly Cosby *HAS* to be in the wrong, in all aspects.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Eh, I can agree that there is a notable difference but it's just a matter of degree. The most significant thing is the rape itself. Imagine if it was an opposite situation where a barfly wanted to steal some dude's watch, in one case slipping him a roofie, in another waiting until he passed out. A drug charge would add on top of it, but the theft/rape/etc is the biggest crime.

There can be more than a difference in degree in the situation I was describing. Someone could conceivably get too drunk to legally consent, have voluntary sex with someone else during that time, and then cry rape later without the person who "raped" them even know they did anything wrong, much less have planned it ahead of time. That is qualitatively different than someone setting out to inebriate them for the purposes of having sex with them without their consent.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Someone could conceivably get too drunk to legally consent, have voluntary sex with someone else during that time

By the definition of legal consent, no, they could not.

 

[LegendKiller]

By the definition of legal consent, no, they could not.

And how are you supposed to know that they pretty much went into it knowing what would happen and then regretted it later or became bitter or decided that they had a political bone to pick?

 

[SlitheryDee]

By the definition of legal consent, no, they could not.

I'm speaking in the legal sense in one part of the sentence and a more absolute sense in the other. One may get too drunk to legally consent to sex, but does not change their ability to voluntarily do anything. Volition is merely choosing something for yourself. That doesn't necessarily mean that the alcohol in their system isn't influencing that choice, just that no one is forcing them into it. They may not legally consent, but they may still have voluntary sex.