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CZroe

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That is certainly not what I asked for. I wanted one that shows when the allegations came to light, not when they allegedly happened. Also, that's a character assassination hit piece that tries to show even good things in a bad light, like criticizing Notre Dame for promoting football over academics and making it difficult to balance academics with athletics. Oh my God! He also told a kid to get out of his dressing room. Double ZOMG! :rolleyes:

Read the introductory paragraph again and tell me that there's not something fishy going on with all these "official" accusations coming so soon after the "first" and then followed by viral media.

Thirteen women accused Cosby of sexual assault nearly 10 years ago, when the first official charge against him was made in 2005. But it wasn't until a video of (male) comedian Hannibal Buress calling Cosby a rapist during an October stand-up set went viral that people began to care.
 
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Read the introductory paragraph again and tell me that there's not something fishy going on with all these "official" accusations coming so soon after the "first" and then followed by viral media.

Let's say that this is a large conspiracy. How do you address the following questions?

If it's just copycats coming forward on the rape allegation from 2005, why have we never seen this with any other celebrity accused of rape? Why were there no copycat claims against Kobe Bryant or Ben Roethlisberger or Mike Tyson or Roman Polanski? Even Michael Jackson only had one additional child step forward. There are basically no "me too" allegations against other celebrities accused of rape... and Cosby gets 25+? Doesn't that seem unusual?

If it's just about money, why not target a richer celebrity who seems more villainous? Everyone knows Cosby as Cliff Huxtable; hardly someone you'd accuse of rape. Why not go after Dr. Dre or Jay-Z or David Copperfield or Howard Stern or Simon Cowell or George Lucas or Mel Gibson or Michael Bay? They all have more money than Cosby and they all have "sketchier" public personas. If you're faking it anyway, why wouldn't you go after a richer, easier target?

If Cosby is innocent, why did he pay to settle a lawsuit 10 years ago? Was it really just to keep it out of the papers? Because it ended up in the papers back then anyway. Why not wait to be publicly exonerated by the courts and simultaneously squash all rumors?

It's possible that it's all a conspiracy to extort money out of an innocent man. But there don't seem to be compelling answers to these questions that would make me believe that this is an unprecedented conspiracy rather than accepting that at least some of the allegations are true.
 

werepossum

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Again, by using the word "rape" you are presuming a set of facts (intercourse) different from what has actually been alleged. The allegations mostly seem to involve some creepy, nonconsensual touching and masturbating. Interestingly the most recent alleged victim to reveal herself says she woke up to find Cosby masturbating while licking her toes, and that he left the room once he saw she was awake. The kinds of crimes we are talking about don't require general anesthesia - just for the victim to be far enough asleep that she won't wake up based on some touching.

The only reason I brought up Benadryl is that he admitted giving it to the alleged victim he paid. I brought it up mostly to illustrate the notion that he didn't need to administer propofol or other major anesthesia to effect the kinds of crimes he is accused of.
Fair enough, but some of the women have alleged rape, correct?
 

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I don't know the details of all of the allegations, but I don't know that any have actually claimed that. Janice Dickinson claims she woke up with semen between her legs but that doesn't necessarily connote intercourse.

http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/timeline-of-the-abuse-charges-against-cosby.html

That article mentions a Washington Post piece from one of the alleged victims that literally has "Bill Cosby raped me" in the title. While the details might not align with rape the broad allegation is at least there. Same as the one who claims digital penetration without consent.

It does seem like there's a pretty consistent pattern of Cosby making women give him handjobs (although it's not really clear what he did to make them...) That seems like a lesser offense than rape. It's also so specific that it's hard to imagine they're all making it up, unless they're really being coached by someone to fit this narrative. But I think if that were the case they'd go for something more severe; I mean, don't get me wrong, this is still very bad, but not quite as bad as violently forcing himself on them. It does also seem that he stopped after a couple of the women demanded it. Makes you wonder if the masturbation was his particular fetish or his trying to show some kind of restraint to what he thought was an acceptable boundary.
 

inachu

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Cosby will win and in 15 years into the future they will scream new rape allegations against him.
 

CZroe

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Let's say that this is a large conspiracy. How do you address the following questions?

If it's just copycats coming forward on the rape allegation from 2005, why have we never seen this with any other celebrity accused of rape? Why were there no copycat claims against Kobe Bryant or Ben Roethlisberger or Mike Tyson or Roman Polanski? Even Michael Jackson only had one additional child step forward. There are basically no "me too" allegations against other celebrities accused of rape... and Cosby gets 25+? Doesn't that seem unusual?
Funny that you should say this and mention Mike Tyson when the timeline article we are discussing says that Erinn Cosby accused Mike Tyson of sexual assault two years before Desiree Washington accused him of rape.

Anyway, the "25" number is only damning if you assume that they are independent accusations, which the timing indicates that they are not (coordinated to align with an existing story and not independent copycats). That's specifically what I have been saying all along and yet people keep going back to that meaningless number. You wouldn't count the boy's parents as additional accusations in the Michael Jackson extortion case, so you have to show that these are not similarly organized to count them separately here.

He could be a rapist or it could be an organized extortion plot that was set in motion in 2006. A ring leader may have been coaching new seemingly-unrelated "victims" and plaintiffs ever since. It isn't that much different from the McDonald's Monopoly scam where the winning pieces were distributed to seemingly unrelated people for kick backs or where the scam artist woman paid for a finger from an out-of-state industrial accident to put in her Wendy's chili.

If it's just about money, why not target a richer celebrity who seems more villainous? Everyone knows Cosby as Cliff Huxtable; hardly someone you'd accuse of rape. Why not go after Dr. Dre or Jay-Z or David Copperfield or Howard Stern or Simon Cowell or George Lucas or Mel Gibson or Michael Bay? They all have more money than Cosby and they all have "sketchier" public personas. If you're faking it anyway, why wouldn't you go after a richer, easier target?

He's a lot bigger than you seem to realize. He's right in line with many of those names. His net worth is estimated to be $400 million and it was a lot more before all this. His past accusation is what makes him an easier target along with his penchant for privacy and the contrast with his wholesome image makes it that much more bombastic, sensational, and inflammatory. If you understand the way the media works then you would see that he would be a better mark than any of those other names.

If Cosby is innocent, why did he pay to settle a lawsuit 10 years ago? Was it really just to keep it out of the papers? Because it ended up in the papers back then anyway. Why not wait to be publicly exonerated by the courts and simultaneously squash all rumors?
Obvious: Guilty in the court of public opinion, like he seems to be now, can be worse. It's the same reason Michael Jackson paid up. He was a weirdo, but he likely was not a child molester. The jealous father wanted a house and a screenwriting deal and so many other things and admitted that he didn't care how any of it affected his son.

It's possible that it's all a conspiracy to extort money out of an innocent man. But there don't seem to be compelling answers to these questions that would make me believe that this is an unprecedented conspiracy rather than accepting that at least some of the allegations are true.
It wouldn't be unprecedented. If it is an extortion plot then they have had ten years to assemble accomplices, develop, and execute this plan.
 

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It wouldn't be unprecedented. If it is an extortion plot then they have had ten years to assemble accomplices, develop, and execute this plan.

Of course! How did I not see this before. Over 20 random women who don't know each other somehow got together and schemed for over 10 years. Now that they think the timing is right they have put their diabolical scheme into action.
 

z1ggy

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Of course! How did I not see this before. Over 20 random women who don't know each other somehow got together and schemed for over 10 years. Now that they think the timing is right they have put their diabolical scheme into action.

...Many of them are represented by the same lawyer. I think as many as 10? This (woman) lawyer, does this type of thing as her career. I believe she's represented many women in other famous "he raped me X years ago!" cases.
 
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Anyway, the "25" number is only damning if you assume that they are independent accusations, which the timing indicates that they are not (coordinated to align with an existing story and not independent copycats). That's specifically what I have been saying all along and yet people keep going back to that meaningless number. You wouldn't count the boy's parents as additional accusations in the Michael Jackson extortion case, so you have to show that these are not similarly organized to count them separately here.

No, they are 26 independent accusations from different women who have each alleged that they personally were molested in some form by Cosby. You don't count the boy's parents as victims in the Michael Jackson case because Michael didn't actually molest them; he (allegedly) molested their child. That's completely different from 26 women saying "he did this to me." To make them comparable, you'd have to have one woman saying Cosby raped her and 25 other women saying "yeah, he totally raped her."

He could be a rapist or it could be an organized extortion plot that was set in motion in 2006. A ring leader may have been coaching new seemingly-unrelated "victims" and plaintiffs ever since. It isn't that much different from the McDonald's Monopoly scam where the winning pieces were distributed to seemingly unrelated people for kick backs or where the scam artist woman paid for a finger from an out-of-state industrial accident to put in her Wendy's chili.

He was first accused in a police report in 2000, then again in 2004 and settled in 2005 with the lawsuit brought on behalf of Andrea Constand and 13 anonymous "victims." If these women were really scheming to get paid, wasn't that their best chance? Why wait an additional ten years to bring things back in front of a public that had all but forgotten the accusations ever happened? And how did they manage to pick up 12 additional accusers, some of whom are successful professionals who would jeopardize their entire career with a false accusation against a beloved celebrity? It's completely unbelievable.

He's a lot bigger than you seem to realize. He's right in line with many of those names. His net worth is estimated to be $400 million and it was a lot more before all this. His past accusation is what makes him an easier target along with his penchant for privacy and the contrast with his wholesome image makes it that much more bombastic, sensational, and inflammatory. If you understand the way the media works then you would see that he would be a better mark than any of those other names.

No, I know that. I can look up celebrity net worth too. And I did. And I specifically chose people who are higher up the lifetime earnings chart than Cosby. If the point is to extort money from someone, you don't choose a celebrity that NO ONE will believe committed the crime in question. If these women had accused Simon Cowell, people would be like, "Yeah, that guy seems like an egotistical asshole who wants to assert power over women; he probably did it." But Cosby? He makes no sense as a mark for a false accusation. You might as well accuse Mr. Rogers of fondling little boys. It doesn't seem credible. If you know the accusation is blatantly false, you want to take every step possible to make it seem more likely or you aren't going to get paid.

Obvious: Guilty in the court of public opinion, like he seems to be now, can be worse. It's the same reason Michael Jackson paid up. He was a weirdo, but he likely was not a child molester. The jealous father wanted a house and a screenwriting deal and so many other things and admitted that he didn't care how any of it affected his son.

I don't know about Michael. Something definitely happened (the kid accurately described Michael's dick for God's sake), but he was exonerated by the courts, and he's dead now, so whatever. I only brought him up because it's the ONLY example I could think of of a celebrity getting accused of the same sexual malfeasance by multiple accusers. I guess you could toss Dave Letterman in there, but he admitted to his affairs and they were all consensual (although potentially sexual harassment depending on how you view things). And there's the recent Stephen Collins announcement that he molested three young girls decades ago... but those weren't false allegations, so it doesn't really address this presumed conspiracy.

It wouldn't be unprecedented. If it is an extortion plot then they have had ten years to assemble accomplices, develop, and execute this plan.

It would be unprecedented because we've never had this volume of victims step forward and say "this celebrity sexually molested me" ever. Well, once, with Jimmy Savile in the UK. And guess what? He actually did it. So, no, we have never, ever, seen a situation where a target is falsely accused by dozens of people in an extortion scheme. Never. It has never happened. That makes it unprecedented.
 

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The simplest answer is usually correct, he's a sexual offender based on the divergent array of witnesses and accusers.
I am amazed at all those in disbelief that celebrity privilege exists and how sexual crimes especially have a history of being swept under
 

CZroe

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No, they are 26 independent accusations from different women who have each alleged that they personally were molested in some form by Cosby. You don't count the boy's parents as victims in the Michael Jackson case because Michael didn't actually molest them; he (allegedly) molested their child. That's completely different from 26 women saying "he did this to me." To make them comparable, you'd have to have one woman saying Cosby raped her and 25 other women saying "yeah, he totally raped her."
*sigh*
26 ALLEGEDLY independent accusations. I pointed out your assumption but your assumption has such a grip on your perception of everything that you keep trying to refute me with it. WOOOOOSH.

He was first accused in a police report in 2000, then again in 2004 and settled in 2005 with the lawsuit brought on behalf of Andrea Constand and 13 anonymous "victims." If these women were really scheming to get paid, wasn't that their best chance? Why wait an additional ten years to bring things back in front of a public that had all but forgotten the accusations ever happened? And how did they manage to pick up 12 additional accusers, some of whom are successful professionals who would jeopardize their entire career with a false accusation against a beloved celebrity? It's completely unbelievable.
I already explained. A dismissed allegation from the distant past leads to more recent allegation 10 years ago. When the more recent allegations lead to payday, it *may* have mobilized a new copycat extortion plot. If so, they could have tried to extort him several years ago for all you know, which is why I called this "Plan B." Rather than becoming a revolving door for the extortionists, he would likely refuse to cooperate with them. That would lead them to spend a few more years recruiting more in an organized group to carry out their threat and get their payday anyway.

No, I know that. I can look up celebrity net worth too. And I did. And I specifically chose people who are higher up the lifetime earnings chart than Cosby. If the point is to extort money from someone, you don't choose a celebrity that NO ONE will believe committed the crime in question. If these women had accused Simon Cowell, people would be like, "Yeah, that guy seems like an egotistical asshole who wants to assert power over women; he probably did it." But Cosby? He makes no sense as a mark for a false accusation. You might as well accuse Mr. Rogers of fondling little boys. It doesn't seem credible. If you know the accusation is blatantly false, you want to take every step possible to make it seem more likely or you aren't going to get paid.
You don't know how sensationalism works, do you?

I don't know about Michael. Something definitely happened (the kid accurately described Michael's dick for God's sake), but he was exonerated by the courts, and he's dead now, so whatever. I only brought him up because it's the ONLY example I could think of of a celebrity getting accused of the same sexual malfeasance by multiple accusers. I guess you could toss Dave Letterman in there, but he admitted to his affairs and they were all consensual (although potentially sexual harassment depending on how you view things). And there's the recent Stephen Collins announcement that he molested three young girls decades ago... but those weren't false allegations, so it doesn't really address this presumed conspiracy.
The kid's description did not match Michael's penis. Do you see how "Guilty in the court of public opinion" works now?! THAT, right there, is why people pay up. Don't bother with such a silly question again.

It would be unprecedented because we've never had this volume of victims step forward and say "this celebrity sexually molested me" ever. Well, once, with Jimmy Savile in the UK. And guess what? He actually did it. So, no, we have never, ever, seen a situation where a target is falsely accused by dozens of people in an extortion scheme. Never. It has never happened. That makes it unprecedented.
A minimum pool of two dozen accusers automatically means he's guilty? Then I guess that's all any future extortion plot needs to convince you. Someone tell the Mafia. The Russian insurance scammers who use false witnesses all the time might want to come here because the payout is far grater. :rolleyes: Look at the effect the Russian scam has had on their economy and culture (it's why everyone has dashcams there) and tell me that extortion doesn't pay.
 
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werepossum

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I don't know the details of all of the allegations, but I don't know that any have actually claimed that. Janice Dickinson claims she woke up with semen between her legs but that doesn't necessarily connote intercourse.

http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/timeline-of-the-abuse-charges-against-cosby.html
From what I've heard of Janice Dickinson via her own book I doubt there were many mornings she didn't wake up with semen between her legs. That was kind of her thing, screwing anything that moves and was famous.
 
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From what I've heard of Janice Dickinson via her own book I doubt there were many mornings she didn't wake up with semen between her legs. That was kind of her thing, screwing anything that moves and was famous.

I am not a fan of hers but I would not personally use language like that about a woman. Certainly I take her accusations with more of a grain of salt than others.

I continue to find the idea that this entire thing is a broad conspiracy to extort money absolutely nonsensical.
 

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These accusations have been around for years, from multiple sources. It only blew up because of the meme thing.


I understand that some of these women probably weren't raped but once you get to "dozens" of accusers and the accused isn't even defending himself it's pretty much given he's guilty.

And this wasn't some woman seeking money who brought this up.

How many accusers until you morons will believe he's guilty? 100?
 

werepossum

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I am not a fan of hers but I would not personally use language like that about a woman. Certainly I take her accusations with more of a grain of salt than others.

I continue to find the idea that this entire thing is a broad conspiracy to extort money absolutely nonsensical.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...-Im-A-Celebrity-wildcat-Janice-Dickinson.html
How I seduced some of the most famous - and slimy - men in Hollywood, by I'm A Celebrity wildcat Janice Dickinson

By JANICE DICKINSON

{She recently claimed to have slept with around 1,000 men.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...y-wildcat-Janice-Dickinson.html#ixzz3MHC4IKSo
When the woman writes her autobiography and goes around claiming to have slept with around 1,000 men, this is the language she wants used to describe her.
 

bradley

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To me the sex lives of these alleged victims is irrelevant. Sometimes the abused or sexually assaulted become promiscuous as a coping mechanism to deal with the pain and shame.

Although I don't find Ms. Dickenson's story nearly as compelling as some of the others, including: Constand, Convington, Hurd, Tarshis, Serignese, Young etc.
 

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How many accusers until you morons will believe he's guilty? 100?

50. Give me 50 accusers and I will officially believe. Even one less will not cut it though. 49 is simply not convincing to me, it has to be 50. There is your bar, can you reach it?
 

werepossum

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50. Give me 50 accusers and I will officially believe. Even one less will not cut it though. 49 is simply not convincing to me, it has to be 50. There is your bar, can you reach it?
lol +1 That is a nice round number.

Carla Ferrigno has said Bill Cosby assaulted her - I think it was more a pawing thing. I know (or at least knew, it's been awhile) someone who actually is friends with the Ferrignos and described them as the nicest, most down-to-earth people you'd ever meet, so I find that more believable than most such accusations. She was a Playboy bunny at the time, so probably half the men there pawed her (a LOT of men seem to think such women are there to be groped rather than ogled) but it is consistent with other accusations.
 
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How many accusers until you morons will believe he's guilty? 100?

One. Who actually has evidence that sufficiently links him to the crime. Evidence or testimony that would be sufficient for a court to convict.
Or if he simply confesses.

Either way, just one who fits any of the above criteria. Thats not too hard, is it? With all these accusers coming forward, I would assume at least one has some credible evidence or testimony in their possession.
 

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One. Who actually has evidence that sufficiently links him to the crime. Evidence or testimony that would be sufficient for a court to convict.

Or if he simply confesses.



Either way, just one who fits any of the above criteria. Thats not too hard, is it? With all these accusers coming forward, I would assume at least one has some credible evidence or testimony in their possession.

So you want a woman who was raped, managed to "collect the evidence" and keep it for 10 years? Or, you want a time machine to find a woman prior to the statute of limitations on this case?

And let's say you find this hypothetical semen saving woman from the past what does she have to gain from going public? A few months on network news circuit and being known world wide as "the woman raped by Cosby"? Months in a drawn out court case? Cosby is old he will die before you can imprison him anyway.
 
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So you want a woman who was raped, managed to "collect the evidence" and keep it for 10 years? Or, you want a time machine to find a woman prior to the statute of limitations on this case?

And let's say you find this hypothetical semen saving woman from the past what does she have to gain from going public? A few months on network news circuit and being known world wide as "the woman raped by Cosby"? Months in a drawn out court case? Cosby is old he will die before you can imprison him anyway.

I want the same level of evidence that you would want if you were accused of such a crime. I'm tired of the media and attention-whores who think they know the law from their asses running around convicting celebrities on such flimsy evidence.
If they are being truthful, then they need to live with the ramifications of their decisions to sit on this for 30-40 years.

Sorry if that offends your sensibilities (well, no I'm not, to be honest...), but thats the way it goes. I really couldn't care less if you disagree with me.

And if you don't believe that celebrities can be wrongfully accused and have the media get it wrong, just ask Keanu Reeves, Tucker Carlson, and David Copperfield, to name a few. All were accused of rape, all had to go to court (if memory serves, I might be wrong on this...), all were convicted in the eyes of the media. And oh right...they were later considered totally innocent.
 
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