Big day today in print media

[dyna]

No, Trump made a policy change that actively sought to separate children from their parents crossing as a DETERRENT. Jeff Sessions came out and declared this policy change and the reasoning behind it.

That is all Trump Administration.

Moreover, the FACT that public pressure forced Trump to backtrack to the Obama policy also proves this.

No such thing ever occurred, all Trump did was announce "zero tolerance" to existing rules, prove that he ever made a policy specifically for the purpose of separating children.

 

[umbrella39]

No, Trump made a policy change that actively sought to separate children from their parents crossing as a DETERRENT. Jeff Sessions came out and declared this policy change and the reasoning behind it.

That is all Trump Administration.

Moreover, the FACT that public pressure forced Trump to backtrack to the Obama policy also proves this.

This is also a Trump Administration turd:

Trump's strategy is failing and the Taliban is winning

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/16/asia/afghan-analysis-npw-intl/index.html

Why does the OP love the Taliban so much...

 

[fskimospy]

Wow he said words that were said in a meaner way than words by his predecessor expressing the same basic sentiment. Do you need a fainting couch? Who knows, maybe next Trump will start calling the press "poopyheads" and then we'll truly know the facism is upon us.

'You are my enemy' and 'you are the enemy of America' is not even remotely the same sentiment. If you think that's true you may want to look at the fate of Ghaddafi (enemy of America) and the fate of the NRA (enemy of Obama). Can you tell me what, if any differences you spot?

 

[glenn1]

'You are my enemy' and 'you are the enemy of America' is not even remotely the same sentiment. If you think that's true you may want to look at the fate of Ghaddafi (enemy of America) and the fate of the NRA (enemy of Obama). Can you tell me what, if any differences you spot?

You let me know when Trump starts prepping the bombers to make a run on the Post and Times.

 

[vi edit]

You let me know when Trump starts prepping the bombers to make a run on the Post and Times.

Nah, he just wages proxy wars via twitter.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

We should wait for Trump to kill six million Jews before we start comparing him to Hitler.

 

[glenn1]

Nah, he just wages proxy wars via twitter.

Julian Assange would beg to differ. However I guess for the left he stopped warranting the protections for journalism that you claim to hold so dear once he started producing material that was harmful to Democrats instead of President Bush.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/08/15/cred-a15.html

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Julian Assange is a proven liar and a weapon of the Russian government.

 

[fskimospy]

We should wait for Trump to kill six million Jews before we start comparing him to Hitler.

I find people's defense of this stuff baffling because it's so nonsensical. When people say 'attacking the press like this removes one of our protections against descent into dictatorship' they respond with 'well this person isn't a dictator right now'. No shit, nobody's a dictator until they're a dictator and by then it's too late. You keep protections like this strong precisely so nobody ever gets close to that.

https://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic.

Now I am not saying Trump is Hitler or we're going to become a fascist nation next week but these protections are in place for very, very, very important reasons and we all know that Trump is trying to undermine them to protect his own power. That's very bad.

 

[vi edit]

Julian Assange is a proven liar and a weapon of the Russian government.

***Alleged***

If it's proven there was a feedback back loop of Russia --> Assange ---> Trump then yeah. Any thin veil of hiding behind press credentials is removed. Anywhoo I darn near got whiplash from that whatabout redirection.

 

[glenn1]

I find people's defense of this stuff baffling because it's so nonsensical. When people say 'attacking the press like this removes one of our protections against descent into dictatorship' they respond with 'well this person isn't a dictator right now'. No shit, nobody's a dictator until they're a dictator and by then it's too late. You keep protections like this strong precisely so nobody ever gets close to that.

https://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html



Now I am not saying Trump is Hitler or we're going to become a fascist nation next week but these protections are in place for very, very, very important reasons and we all know that Trump is trying to undermine them to protect his own power. That's very bad.

Then pass a law prohibiting members of government from saying mean things about organizations they don't like, or maybe outlawing "the press is the enemy" in particular. Surely that would save journalism and in turn the republic from falling into a thousand years of darkness.

 

[fskimospy]

Julian Assange would beg to differ. However I guess for the left he stopped warranting the protections for journalism that you claim to hold so dear once he started producing material that was harmful to Democrats instead of President Bush.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/08/15/cred-a15.html

Yes I'm sure lifelong Republican Robert Mueller is probing Wikileaks because they released negative information about Democrats and not because it appears that Assange is acting as a Russian intelligence asset.

As to what actions should be taken against Assange I'm not exactly sure, precisely because of press freedoms, but any sane person wants Mueller to be alllllll over Wikileaks because we need to understand the extent to which they have been compromised by the Russians.

 

[fskimospy]

Then pass a law prohibiting members of government from saying mean things about organizations they don't like, or maybe outlawing "the press is the enemy" in particular. Surely that would save journalism and in turn the republic from falling into a thousand years of darkness.

Are you being willfully obtuse or does it just come naturally? hahaha.

If you know anything about previous descents into authoritarianism they didn't ban the press on the first day either, the government went after them in much the same way Trump is going after the press now in order to delegitimize them. That way when the day came that they wanted to ban the press they could get away with it.

There's no law you can pass that constrains this, the answer is norms and political solutions. The point is that any person who engages in this behavior should be removed from office.

 

[Vic]

Weird how Trumpers are all about free speech until somebody says something negative about Dear Leader.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

***Alleged***

If it's proven there was a feedback back loop of Russia --> Assange ---> Trump then yeah. Any thin veil of hiding behind press credentials is removed. Anywhoo I darn near got whiplash from that whatabout redirection.

Fair enough but have you read the latest Mueller indictments of the Russian operation?

Wikileaks is Organization 1 in that indictment.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Innocent until proven guilty but Assange is a proven liar due to:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...n-embassy-arrest-extradition-us-a7533911.html

Also these other reports:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreig...ernment-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...h-visited-julian-assange-nine-times-last-year

 

[glenn1]

Are you being willfully obtuse or does it just come naturally? hahaha.

If you know anything about previous descents into authoritarianism they didn't ban the press on the first day either, the government went after them in much the same way Trump is going after the press now in order to delegitimize them. That way when the day came that they wanted to ban the press they could get away with it.

There's no law you can pass that constrains this, the answer is norms and political solutions. The point is that any person who engages in this behavior should be removed from office.

Speaking of hahaha, it's funny how each side thinks that authoritarianism is right around the corner when the other party occupies the White House and how it's always the same paranoid BS every time including this one. You might want to try a new line of jokes since this one is extremely stale.

Fortunately for you there's an election in 2020 and you'll have your chance to remove Trump for office, or failing that he'll be out after 2024.

 

[fskimospy]

Speaking of hahaha, it's funny how each side thinks that authoritarianism is right around the corner when the other party occupies the White House and how it's always the same paranoid BS every time including this one. You might want to try a new line of jokes since this one is extremely stale.

Fortunately for you there's an election in 2020 and you'll have your chance to remove Trump for office, or failing that he'll be out after 2024.

Yes, clearly people concerned about Trump purging the FBI in order to shut down a criminal investigation into himself is just like Alex Jones thinking Jade Helm was a test run for tyranny and that Sandy Hook was Obama paying actors to fake dead children so he could disarm the nation. What was I thinking.

/facepalm

 

[Vic]

Speaking of hahaha, it's funny how each side thinks that authoritarianism is right around the corner when the other party occupies the White House and how it's always the same paranoid BS every time including this one. You might want to try a new line of jokes since this one is extremely stale.

Fortunately for you there's an election in 2020 and you'll have your chance to remove Trump for office, or failing that he'll be out after 2024.

That's not 'funny,' it's exactly the way this country was designed to operate since its founding. If everyone was complacent every time those in power did or said things that threatened freedom, we wouldn't have lasted as a free country for very long.

 

[glenn1]

Yes, clearly people concerned about Trump purging the FBI in order to shut down a criminal investigation into himself is just like Alex Jones thinking Jade Helm was a test run for tyranny and that Sandy Hook was Obama paying actors to fake dead children so he could disarm the nation. What was I thinking.

/facepalm

As with before, feel free to pass a law limiting the powers of the POTUS to remove political appointees, Congress can change a political appointee position to a civil service position at will. You seem to be exhibiting a whole lot of concern over the coming Trump reich, I wonder why he's waiting so long to seize ultimate power? Does he get bonus points for waiting until near the end of his term to declare himself emperor? Maybe the left ought to arm itself using its 2A rights while it has the chance otherwise you'll have nothing to defend yourself with against the coming fascism except for editiorials like the ones in the OP.

 

[VRAMdemon]

It's really all a game with media manipulation: Just to throw out confusion, including all the bald face lies it takes...

For example:

Rudy Giuliani Claims facts are "In the Eye of the Beholder" and calls Trump the most "honest" President in history.

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuli...lic&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution

President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, said Tuesday that in the modern era facts are "in the eye of the beholder."

In a back and forth exchange between Giuliani and Chris Cuomo on CNN's Cuomo Prime Time, the former mayor of New York City called Trump one of the most honest presidents in history.

"If fact counting is anything, we've never had anybody with the level of mendacity that he has," Cuomo quickly responded, likely alluding to the over 4,000 false or misleading claims Trump has made, according to The Washington Post since taking office.

"It's in the eye of the beholder," Giuliani said. When Cuomo tried to respond that factual statements are not in the eye of the beholder, the attorney answered with "nowadays they are...

So Now, his loyal followers can continue to dismiss the investigation, and anything else legal involving Trump, as a partisan "witch hunt". He's not really acting as Trump's lawyer, but as a political advocate and fellow media manipulator.

 

[fskimospy]

As with before, feel free to pass a law limiting the powers of the POTUS to remove political appointees, Congress can change a political appointee position to a civil service position at will.

Now you're just being silly, the whole point is that the Republicans in Congress are complicit in this. I'm sure you know that so I'm not sure why you're trying to say these ridiculous things unless it's to distract us from the absurdity of your previous argument that Trump's current interference into criminal investigations into himself is the same as conservative conspiracy theories in the past?

You seem to be exhibiting a whole lot of concern over the coming Trump reich, I wonder why he's waiting so long to seize ultimate power? Does he get bonus points for waiting until near the end of his term to declare himself emperor?

Stop with the silly straw men.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Newt Gingrich employs a similarly Orwellian redefinition of reality in his book "Trump's America"

President Trump is redefining the very structure of American political and governmental dialogue by insisting on fact-based conversations

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Compulsive lying is 'insisting on fact-based conversations.

 

[theeedude]

Something = Fascism.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

It's really all a game with media manipulation: Just to throw out confusion, including all the bald face lies it takes...

For example:

Rudy Giuliani Claims facts are "In the Eye of the Beholder" and calls Trump the most "honest" President in history.

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuli...lic&utm_medium=Feed&utm_campaign=Distribution



So Now, his loyal followers can continue to dismiss the investigation, and anything else legal involving Trump, as a partisan "witch hunt". He's not really acting as Trump's lawyer, but as a political advocate and fellow media manipulator.

So much this. People don’t understand, we are dealing with the best media manipulators in the world. Putin and Trump have built their entire careers on perception management through deception using the media as an arm of their political power and influence. This is their skill set. It’s the only thing they’re really good at.

 

[Vic]

Newt Gingrich employs a similarly Orwellian redefinition of reality in his book "Trump's America"



War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Compulsive lying is 'insisting on fact-based conversations.

Fact-based conversations = Republican govt approved speech