Big day today in print media

[boomerang]

Over 300 newspapers are going to publish the same anti-Trump editorial today. A dying industry making a proud defiant stand against... something. The same lecture from progressive elites coast to coast. Awesome, in a truly hilarious way.

300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today

Edit: I'm going to add a quote from the article to clarify the nature of the post.

"Today marks another milepost on the funeral march of the American newspaper industry. Has there ever before been such a mass demonstration of self-unawareness as the collective expression of outrage this morning by the editorial boards of these ailing enterprises? Here is the editorial as it appears today in the Boston Globe, which no doubt will receive one or more journalism awards (journalists love to give each other awards for agreeing with each other) for their “courage” – as if howling mobs were outside their doors, and military vans on their way to seize the printing presses.

The editorial, indeed, raises the fear of being shut down right up front, relying on a poll supposedly indicating a public ready to send storm troopers into the nation’s newsrooms. Ginning up polls is a standard operating procedure for the media, who are well aware that by careful wording and sequencing on questions, you can shape the public response into the direction you are hoping for. In this case, Trump-haters are anxious to manufacture a purported threat to shut them down, which is something that nobody in a position of authority has ever even hinted at."

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yeah. A stand against. Something.

You really are just an ignorant piece of shit.

 

[zinfamous]

I like you morons and your euphemisms. Suddenly, laying the case for defending the 1st amendment and the Constitution is "anti-Trump."

Jesus fucking Christ you are one pathetically brainsucked dillhole. What a dependable, useful little ignorant bot you are.

 

[TheVrolok]

I think Trump has crossed the line with regard to the free press in a truly disgusting way; however, I don't think this is the right move. The press should be better than this and I think it just gives Trump more red meat for the idiots in his base (see OP) - but I do understand from where their angst comes.

 

[fskimospy]

My favorite part of that article was the author’s crazed rant about how nobody reads editorial pieces...in the middle of his own editorial piece.

Truly nobody on this board thinks boomerang is stupider than the people who write the media he reads.

 

[boomerang]

Yeah. A stand against. Something.

You really are just an ignorant piece of shit.

Hat's off to you bud. Your argument is ironclad and reeks of intelligence! Exactly what I expected!

Remember this thread the next time you're laying in bed in the morning afraid to get out of it because you fear that Trump is going to take over the media Pravda style.

 

[vi edit]

Ooo oooh can I play this "WHATABOUT!" card I have laying around????

What about Sinclair doing a coordinated Pro-Trump seance across their stations all at once?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Ooo oooh can I play this "WHATABOUT!" card I have laying around????

What about Sinclair doing a coordinated Pro-Trump seance across their stations all at once?

Muh speech!!

 

[fskimospy]

I think Trump has crossed the line with regard to the free press in a truly disgusting way; however, I don't think this is the right move. The press should be better than this and I think it just gives Trump more red meat for the idiots in his base (see OP) - but I do understand from where their angst comes.

Nah, when the president says the press is the enemy of the people the time for taking the high road and pretending it isn’t happening is past.

They are completely right that one of the first steps for any autocrat is to disarm the press and it is important for them to make people aware of the danger.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Hat's off to you bud. Your argument is ironclad and reeks of intelligence! Exactly what I expected!

Remember this thread the next time you're laying in bed in the morning afraid to get out of it because you fear that Trump is going to take over the media Pravda style.

And yours was what exactly? Other than dismissive and devoid of anything but sheer ignorance. Have an OP worth commenting on and you will get constructive comments.

 

[TheVrolok]

Hat's off to you bud. Your argument is ironclad and reeks of intelligence! Exactly what I expected!

Remember this thread the next time you're laying in bed in the morning afraid to get out of it because you fear that Trump is going to take over the media Pravda style.

Out of curiosity, how many of these editorials have you read? I would guess 0. I've read probably 15 or so and I'm not seeing any pitchforks out for Trump's head. A number quote his own words, but beyond that, there's little "Trumpcentric" about them. Rather, they extol the virtues of the press. Are you feeling oppressed?

 

[TheVrolok]

Nah, when the president says the press is the enemy of the people the time for taking the high road and pretending it isn’t happening is past.

They are completely right that one of the first steps for any autocrat is to disarm the press and it is important for them to make people aware of the danger.

I guess what I mean is that the vast majority of us already know he's a fucking clown and what he says is bullshit. I'm not sure the editorial boards are winning any minds out there, and all that's happening is his base is digging in deeper. I suppose there's not much of a change either way, then, but at that point it seems like all it's accomplishing is those of us "in the know" just feel better about ourselves. In the end, I'm just "meh" about it.

 

[TheVrolok]

And yours was what exactly? Other than dismissive and devoid of anything but sheer ignorance. Have an OP worth commenting on and you will get constructive comments.

You know he hasn't actually read any editorials other than the one he quoted which agreed with his worldview and reinforced his "group thought."

 

[fskimospy]

I guess what I mean is that the vast majority of us already know he's a fucking clown and what he says is bullshit. I'm not sure the editorial boards are winning any minds out there, and all that's happening is his base is digging in deeper. I suppose there's not much of a change either way, then, but at that point it seems like all it's accomplishing is those of us "in the know" just feel better about ourselves. In the end, I'm just "meh" about it.

I’m not sure I understand this. Are you saying that fighting back only makes his base dig in deeper? If that’s the case, what do you suggest?

I would argue that there’s no reaching his base so we should ignore them. Boomerang is a good example, do you think any logical argument can reach him? I don’t, so who cares what he thinks?

 

[cytg111]

Ooo oooh can I play this "WHATABOUT!" card I have laying around????

What about Sinclair doing a coordinated Pro-Trump seance across their stations all at once?

Aaaaaad crickets from boomerangrang.
Trumps State TV is different because....... ...

 

[TheVrolok]

I’m not sure I understand this. Are you saying that fighting back only makes his base dig in deeper? If that’s the case, what do you suggest?

I would argue that there’s no reaching his base so we should ignore them. Boomerang is a good example, do you think any logical argument can reach him? I don’t, so who cares what he thinks?

I suggest that the press continue to do their jobs, which they've been doing fairly well, report the news. Be voracious, plainly state and point out Trump and his administration's (or any administration's) inconsistencies, incongruities, and flaws. I'm not sure this banding together of editorial pages really accomplishes anything, so why bother? I'm not any surer of the value of the press now than I was yesterday, and I'm sure your views haven't changed either. As I said, I'm not sure this move is changing any minds, but I could certainly be wrong.

As a side, I also suggest people actually pay for print reporting! I subscribe to my local paper out of principal (even though it's fairly awful unfortunately) as well as the NYT and WSJ.

 

[PottedMeat]

Ooo oooh can I play this "WHATABOUT!" card I have laying around????

What about Sinclair doing a coordinated Pro-Trump seance across their stations all at once?

so the FCC is good for something after all

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Hey. At least it can be said that other world leaders are finally following Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/world/europe/trump-fake-news-dictators.html

When Amnesty International released a report about prison deaths in Syria, the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, retorted that “we are living in a fake-news era.” President Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela, who is steadily rolling back democracy in his country, blamed the global media for “lots of false versions, lots of lies,” saying “this is what we call ‘fake news’ today.”

In Myanmar, where international observers accuse the military of conducting a genocidal campaign against the Rohingya Muslims, a security official told The New York Times that “there is no such thing as Rohingya,” adding: “It is fake news.” In Russia, a Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, told a CNN reporter to “stop spreading lies and fake news.” Her ministry now uses a big red stamp, “FAKE,” on its website to label news stories it dislikes.

Around the world, authoritarians, populists and other political leaders have seized on the phrase “fake news” — and the legitimacy conferred upon it by an American president — as a tool for attacking their critics and, in some cases, deliberately undermining the institutions of democracy. In countries where press freedom is restricted or under considerable threat — including Russia, China, Turkey, Libya, Poland, Hungary, Thailand, Somalia and others — political leaders have invoked “fake news” as justification for beating back media scrutiny.

Just this week, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, People’s Daily, used Mr. Trump’s words to undercut critical media coverage of an increasingly authoritarian Beijing.

“If the president of the United States claims that his nation’s leading media outlets are a stain on America,” the paper wrote, “then negative news about China and other countries should be taken with a grain of salt, since it is likely that bias and political agendas are distorting the real picture.”

But yeah, the problem here is the free press. Not the dictators who seek to discredit it.

 

[emperus]

Over 300 newspapers are going to publish the same anti-Trump editorial today. A dying industry making a proud defiant stand against... something. The same lecture from progressive elites coast to coast. Awesome, in a truly hilarious way.

300+ newspapers publish the same anti-Trump editorial today

How old are you boomerang? Your posts remind me of my dad, but he's 80.. Why don't you actually sit down and without all the buzzwords figure out and write down what is important to you, that way before you make another post you can refer to it to figure out if you have dramatically shifted your position.

This is why Republicans win elections. They are unafraid to repetitively repeat BS, that their supporters lap up without any critical thinking (case in point this thread). The Right with their Pravda type network Fox News is talking about fake news? Go figure.

 

[emperus]

Ooo oooh can I play this "WHATABOUT!" card I have laying around????

What about Sinclair doing a coordinated Pro-Trump seance across their stations all at once?

The argument somehow equates this Editorial blitz with what Sinclair did. Not remotely similar.

 

[glenn1]

Out of curiosity, how many of these editorials have you read? I would guess 0. I've read probably 15 or so and I'm not seeing any pitchforks out for Trump's head. A number quote his own words, but beyond that, there's little "Trumpcentric" about them. Rather, they extol the virtues of the press. Are you feeling oppressed?

The risk to the free press isn't Trump calling them names, it's irrelevance and an obsolete business model. Sure some will make some kabuki theater and gnashing of teeth about their passing like we have steel or coal workers here in the U.S. but the market is clearly saying they don't want to buy what the "old" print news media, coal, or steel makers are selling. As the saying goes "it's not personal, just business." I and the economy don't have anything against newspapermen (or coal workers) but that doesn't mean they are entitled to exist in perpetuity in their previous position of glory and prominence. Maybe it will be a better world with them being sidelined, maybe it will be a worse one, but I do know that time changes things and news media isn't immune.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Hmm might have to buy a few papers today.

Boomer, surely some of the Presidents behavior is concerning to you. Do you really believe the press is an enemy of the state? Do you really believe the President has kept his promise to “hire the best people”?
Shouldn’t the press be allowed to report on clownery that was going on at the EPA?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The risk to the free press isn't Trump calling them names, it's irrelevance and an obsolete business model. Sure some will make some kabuki theater and gnashing of teeth about their passing like we have steel or coal workers here in the U.S. but the market is clearly saying they don't want to buy what the "old" print news media, coal, or steel makers are selling. As the saying goes "it's not personal, just business." I and the economy don't have anything against newspapermen (or coal workers) but that doesn't mean they are entitled to exist in perpetuity in their previous position of glory and prominence. Maybe it will be a better world with them being sidelined, maybe it will be a worse one, but I do know that time changes things and news media isn't immune.

Glenn, the President didn’t say one particularly scam news paper is the enemy of the people, he said the Press is the enemy of the people. The Press wasn’t defined. I’m assuming to the President that is any outlet or person that gives him coverage he does not like.
The P&L statement of that business is irrelevant in these terms.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

The press is currently the last line of defense against the tyranny of this administration. It’s not supposed to be that way. Our other elected leaders are supposed to hold the executive accountable but they have abandoned their loyalty to the constitution for political self preservation and political power.

Don’t believe me that the press is the last line of defense?

Take the border separation policy and how that played out. Trump would have never backed off that morally appalling policy without the free press going to the border and exposing the atrocities of this administration. Without the public outrage and subsequent political consequences, there would likely be thousands more kids torn from their parents.

The only thing keeping the Trump Administration from getting away with wholesale genocide is the accountability the free press provides for the American people.

It’s depressing and sad this is where we are but the Trump supports need to see the implications of Trump’s war on the media.

 

[brycejones]

Boomerang just posts to troll. He gets a chubby every time someone calls him stupid.