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Amused

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They're running identical editorials, that's the entire point of the OP.

Look how stupid, gullible and easily misled you are by political propaganda. Just look at how stupid this fucking post is. You didnt even check for yourself. You just blindly believed biased nonsense.
 
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Vic

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Yeah, the willfully ignorant and anti-intellectual among the populace are very powerful.

That's certainly works for your end-game as a religious zealot.
If you consider that these zealots believe that the knowledge contained in just one book is greater than all the books and all the knowledge in all the history of humanity, is it really a surprise that they have contempt for the free press?
 
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MrSquished

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How cute, maybe we can lay off one less dead tree newspaper worker today to celebrate their success. Or maybe we can "hire" another AI reporter to do their job.

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/robots-wrote-this-story/

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pathetic to watch you flail about
 

Ventanni

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This is a very passionate thread. If I may interject a few things...
  • I agree with most of the posters here in that suppression of the press is the #1 most dangerous thing to our Republic. Although I do not like Alex Jones, and I find him to be irresponsible through and through, the constitutional protection for him to do what he does is paramount.
  • We cannot allow ourselves to enter into a right vs left "war" because of this news. The vast majority of right and left wingers are pretty average, decent folk. Remember, just because it makes itself into the news doesn't mean it represents the majority. Far right white nationalists are a very small percentage of the population, just as far leftists are, too.
  • Both right and left wing politics are necessary for the healthy functioning of our Republic. Without the right, the left would trend socialist. Without the left, the right would trend authoritarian. Try not to demonize each other. :)
Remember, everyone has the chance to vote Trump out of office come 2020. Trump doesn't = forever.
 

ewdotson

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I agree with most of the posters here in that suppression of the press is the #1 most dangerous thing to our Republic. Although I do not like Alex Jones, and I find him to be irresponsible through and through, the constitutional protection for him to do what he does is paramount.
/headdesk

No one is suppressing Jones' speech or violating his constitutional protections.
 

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OP linked a website call "American Thinker", not sure about the site but it got a great name. If everyone here think like an American instead of red/blue or D/R or white/? this place will be much happier. Shower of thought.

"American Thinker," like various GOP propaganda outlets and shady astroturfing superPacs (like "Americans for Progress" or "Americans for Free Energy") subscribes to a well-described form of rhetoric known as "newspeak."

Are you familiar with newspeak?
 

glenn1

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Both right and left wing politics are necessary for the healthy functioning of our Republic. Without the right, the left would trend socialist. Without the left, the right would trend authoritarian. Try not to demonize each other. :)
Remember, everyone has the chance to vote Trump out of office come 2020. Trump doesn't = forever.

Socialism is authoritarian in character, do you think having the "public" (via government) own the means of production is somehow a classical liberal form of government? Just because the people living under socialism might have voted it in doesn't change the essential nature of its central philosophy of compulsion to reach its desired ends of equality.
 

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The only thing keeping the Trump Administration from getting away with wholesale genocide is the accountability the free press provides for the American people.

Really? wholesale genocide? I can't even begin to imagine how badly someone has to be inflicted with TDS, how drunk, how high or how stupid you would have to be to actually write that on a message board. Even one that's as infested with like minded, TDS suffering fucktards as this one.

If you have to continue to exist in this world, please, for the love of mike, stay downwind.
 

Ventanni

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Socialism is authoritarian in character, do you think having the "public" (via government) own the means of production is somehow a classical liberal form of government? Just because the people living under socialism might have voted it in doesn't change the essential nature of its central philosophy of compulsion to reach its desired ends of equality.

I am confused by this. It's not that I don't understand what you're saying. I just don't understand what I said that lead to this.
 

Hugo Stiglitz

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Really? wholesale genocide? I can't even begin to imagine how badly someone has to be inflicted with TDS, how drunk, how high or how stupid you would have to be to actually write that on a message board. Even one that's as infested with like minded, TDS suffering fucktards as this one.

If you have to continue to exist in this world, please, for the love of mike, stay downwind.

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How many can we currently check off this list?
 

Amused

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Socialism is authoritarian in character, do you think having the "public" (via government) own the means of production is somehow a classical liberal form of government? Just because the people living under socialism might have voted it in doesn't change the essential nature of its central philosophy of compulsion to reach its desired ends of equality.

Ya know, I don't see anyone on the left in the US advocating for government takeover of the means of production. In fact, even the most leftist, like Sanders, advocate for a European style capitalist system with a comprehensive welfare/medicare system for all.

But that's a very nice strawman you've got there.

This is what has gone wrong with the right-wing now. They demonize their opponents and don't even address reality, but fantastical strawman and mindless irrational conspiracies.

Meanwhile they never actually address the issues.
 

Amused

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This is a very passionate thread. If I may interject a few things...
  • I agree with most of the posters here in that suppression of the press is the #1 most dangerous thing to our Republic. Although I do not like Alex Jones, and I find him to be irresponsible through and through, the constitutional protection for him to do what he does is paramount.
Alex Jones has not been suppressed or censored by the government. He still has his own website. Your post is devoid of reality.
 

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Hmm might have to buy a few papers today.

Boomer, surely some of the Presidents behavior is concerning to you. Do you really believe the press is an enemy of the state? Do you really believe the President has kept his promise to “hire the best people”?
Shouldn’t the press be allowed to report on clownery that was going on at the EPA?

In my lifetime I have never seen the media so consistently venomous and derisive of a President. From Day 1 to now. If Trump had ANY real power to control the media or the narrative he would certainly have acted on it, he hasn't because our Constitution will not allow it. In the meantime, if everybody is calling him a shitbag, it is hardly surprising that he would respond in kind.... he has always been like that.

Regarding freedom of speech and freedom of the press, read the full Rolling Stone article referenced below in its entirety. It is the best piece of journalism I have seen from the mm in a long time. We have the mob calling for unaccountable billionaire control of the press and of speech...... that path has always and will always lead to dystopia.

Within a year, Google bragged that it had deleted 8 million videos from YouTube. A full 6.7 million videos were caught by machines, 1.1 million by YouTube’s own “trusted flaggers” (we’re pre-writing the lexicon of the next dystopian novels), and 400,000 by “normal users.”

Subsequently, we heard that Facebook was partnering with the Atlantic Council — which, incidentally, accepts donations from at least 25 different foreign countries, including United Arab Emirates and the king of Bahrain, in addition to firms like weapons manufacturer Raytheon and my old pals at HSBC — to identify “potential abuse.”

Now that we’ve opened the door for ordinary users, politicians, ex-security-state creeps, foreign governments and companies like Raytheon to influence the removal of content, the future is obvious: an endless merry-go-round of political tattling, in which each tribe will push for bans of political enemies.
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For more than half a century, we had an effective, if slow, litigation-based remedy for speech violations. The standards laid out in cases like New York Times v. Sullivan were designed to protect legitimate reporting while directly remunerating people harmed by bad speech. Sooner or later, people like Alex Jones would always crash under crippling settlements. Meanwhile, young reporters learned to steer clear of libel and defamation. Knowing exactly what we could and could not get away with empowered us to do our jobs, confident that the law had our backs.

If the line of defense had not been a judge and jury but a giant transnational corporation working with the state, journalists taking on banks or tech companies or the wrong politicians would have been playing intellectual Russian roulette. In my own career, I’d have thought twice before taking on a company like Goldman Sachs. Any reporter would.

Now the line is gone. Depending on the platform, one can be banned for “glorifying violence,” “sowing division,” “hateful conduct” or even “low quality,” with those terms defined by nameless, unaccountable executives, working with God Knows Whom.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/facebook-censorship-alex-jones-710497/
 

Hugo Stiglitz

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In my lifetime I have never seen the media so consistently venomous and derisive of a President. From Day 1 to now. If Trump had ANY real power to control the media or the narrative he would certainly have acted on it, he hasn't because our Constitution will not allow it. In the meantime, if everybody is calling him a shitbag, it is hardly surprising that he would respond in kind.... he has always been like that.
1. The constitution doesn’t have magical powers that prevents a tyrant from being a tyrant. People have to choose to enforce it, like Congress and/or the courts.

2. Trump does control the narrative in the media with his lies, crazy tweets, and actions. He lies constantly so the media is forced to correct his falsehoods. This feeds Trump’s narrative that the media is biased against him and all the coverage is negative. His supporters eat it up and tune to the media Trump wants them to while blocking out all the others.

Trump isn’t something new in the world. Europe has had to deal with his type before and they still do.



Year One Under Authoritarian Rule: What to Expect?
  1. They will come to power with a campaign based on fear, scaremongering and distorting the truth. Nevertheless, their victory will be achieved through a democratic electoral process. But beware, as this will be their argument every time you question the legitimacy of their actions. They will claim a mandate from the People to change the system.

    Remember – gaining power through a democratic system does not give them permission to cross legal boundaries and undermine said democracy.

  2. They will divide and rule. Their strength lies in unity, in one voice and one ideology, and so should yours. They will call their supporters Patriots, the only “true Americans”. You will be labelled as traitors, enemies of the state, unpatriotic, the corrupt elite, the old regime trying to regain power. Their supporters will be the “People”, the “sovereign” who chose their leaders.

    Don’t let them divide you – remember you’re one People, one Nation, with one common good.

  3. Through convoluted laws and threats they will try to control mainstream media and limit press freedom. They will ban critical press from their briefings, calling them “liars”, “fake news”. They will brand those media as “unpatriotic”, acting against the People (see point 2).


    Fight for every media outlet, every journalist that is being banned, censored, sacked or labelled an “enemy of the state” – there’s no hope for freedom where there is no free press.

  4. They will create chaos, maintain a constant sense of conflict and danger. It will be their argument to enact new authoritarian laws, each one further limiting your freedoms and civil liberties. They will disguise them as being for your protection, for the good of the People.


    See through the chaos, the fake danger, expose it before you wake up in a totalitarian, fascist state.

  5. They will distort the truth, deny facts and blatantly lie. They will try to make you forget what facts are, sedate your need to find the truth. They will feed “post-truths” and “alternative facts”, replace knowledge and logic with emotions and fiction.


    Always think critically, fact-check and point out the truth, fight ignorance with facts.

  6. They will incite and then leak fake, superficial “scandals”. They will smear opposition with trivial accusations, blowing them out of proportion and then feeding the flame. This is just smokescreen for the legal steps they will be taking towards totalitarianism.


    See through superficial topics in mainstream media (see point 3) and focus on what they are actually doing.

  7. They will propose shocking laws to provoke your outrage. You will focus your efforts on fighting them, so they will seemingly back off, giving you a false sense of victory. In the meantime they will push through less “flashy” legislation, slowly dismantling democracy (see points 4 and 6).


    Focus your fight on what really matters.

  8. When invading your liberal sensibilities they will focus on what hurts the most – women and minorities. They will act as if democracy was majority rule without respect for the minority. They will paint foreigners and immigrants as potential threats. Racial, religious, sexual and other minorities will become enemies to the order and security they are supposedly providing. They will challenge women’s social status, undermine gender equality and interfere with reproductive rights (see point 7). But it means they are aware of the threat women and minorities pose to their rule, so make it your strength.


    Women and minorities should fight the hardest, reminding the majority what true democracy is about.

  9. They will try to take control of the judiciary. They will assault your highest court. They need to remove the checks and balances to be able to push through unconstitutional legislation. Controlling the judiciary they can also threat anyone that defies them with prosecution, including the press (see point 3).


    Preserve the independence of your courts at all cost, they are your safety valve, the safeguard of the rule of law and the democratic system.

  10. They will try to limit freedom of assembly, calling it a necessity for your security. They will enact laws prioritizing state events and rallies, or those of a certain type or ideology. If they can choose who can demonstrate legally, they have a legal basis to forcefully disperse or prosecute the rest.

    Oppose any legislation attempting to interfere with freedom of assembly, for whatever reason.

  11. They will distort the language, coin new terms and labels, repeat shocking phrases until you accept them as normal and subconsciously associate them with whom they like. A “thief”, “liar” or “traitor” will automatically mean the opposition, while a “patriot” or a “true American” will mean their follower (see point 2). Their slogans will have double meaning, giving strength to their supporters and instilling angst in their opponents.

    Fight changes in language in the public sphere, remind and preserve the true meaning of words.

  12. They will take over your national symbols, associate them with their regime, remake them into attributes of their power. They want you to forget that your flag, your anthem and your symbols belong to you, the People, to everyone equally. Don’t let them be hijacked. Use and expose them in your fight as much as they do.


    Show your national symbols with pride, let them give you strength, not associate you with the tyranny they brought onto your country.

  13. They will try to rewrite history to suit their needs and use the education system to support their agenda. They will smear any historical or living figure who wouldn’t approve of their actions, or distort their image to make you think they would. They will place emphasis on historical education in schools, feeding young minds with the “only correct” version of history and philosophy. They will raise a new generation of voters on their ideology, backing it with a distorted interpretation of history and view of the world.

    Guard the education of your children, teach them critical thinking, ensure their open-mindedness and protect your real history and heritage.

  14. They will alienate foreign allies and partners, convincing you don’t need them. They won’t care for the rest of the world, with their focus on “making your country great again”. While ruining your economy to fulfil their populist promises, they will omit the fact that you’re part of a bigger world whose development depends on cooperation, on sharing and on trade.

    Don’t let them build walls promising you security instead of bridges giving you prosperity.

  15. They will eventually manipulate the electoral system. They might say it’s to correct flaws, to make it more fair, more similar to the rest of the world, or just to make it better. Don’t believe it. They wouldn’t be messing with it at all if it wasn’t to benefit them in some way.


    Oppose any changes to electoral law that an authoritarian regime wants to enact – rest assured it’s only to help them remain in power longer.

And above all, be strong, fight, endure, and remember you’re on the good side of history.
EVERY authoritarian, totalitarian and fascist regime in history eventually failed, thanks to the PEOPLE.

– With love, your Eastern European friends

http://learnfromeurope.org/
 
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ivwshane

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In my lifetime I have never seen the media so consistently venomous and derisive of a President. From Day 1 to now. If Trump had ANY real power to control the media or the narrative he would certainly have acted on it, he hasn't because our Constitution will not allow it. In the meantime, if everybody is calling him a shitbag, it is hardly surprising that he would respond in kind.... he has always been like that.

Regarding freedom of speech and freedom of the press, read the full Rolling Stone article referenced below in its entirety. It is the best piece of journalism I have seen from the mm in a long time. We have the mob calling for unaccountable billionaire control of the press and of speech...... that path has always and will always lead to dystopia.



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/facebook-censorship-alex-jones-710497/

Your brainwashing is complete.

A rational human being would look at the situation and see the things trump has said from the beginning and conclude that the press is not only covering what he's said and done but also compare and contrast it to what the historical norms have been. But you aren't a rational human being, are you? Instead you look at the reporting of facts and come to the conclusion that the press has been the one violating historical norms and that trump is the victim.

I'm sorry you no longer live in reality, how difficult life must be for you now.
 

Amused

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In my lifetime I have never seen the media so consistently venomous and derisive of a President. From Day 1 to now. If Trump had ANY real power to control the media or the narrative he would certainly have acted on it, he hasn't because our Constitution will not allow it. In the meantime, if everybody is calling him a shitbag, it is hardly surprising that he would respond in kind.... he has always been like that.

Regarding freedom of speech and freedom of the press, read the full Rolling Stone article referenced below in its entirety. It is the best piece of journalism I have seen from the mm in a long time. We have the mob calling for unaccountable billionaire control of the press and of speech...... that path has always and will always lead to dystopia.



https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/facebook-censorship-alex-jones-710497/

Maybe because in your lifetime you've never had a president who was so corrupt, blatantly dishonest, clearly deranged and unhinged.

The press isn't venomous and derisive. They're just reporting on a president who is.

But yeah, keep on shooting the messenger because it interferes with your worldview.
 

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Maybe because in your lifetime you've never had a president who was so corrupt, blatantly dishonest, clearly deranged and unhinged.

The press isn't venomous and derisive. They're just reporting on a president who is.

But yeah, keep on shooting the messenger because it interferes with your worldview.
Nobodies lifetime has seen a president like this, because the USofA has never seen a president like this.

Also, if you (bshole) think that Facebook censoring Alex Jones is something new then you haven't been paying attention to Facebook. I was going to read the article since you hyped it up so much and I couldn't even get past the first sentence.

"Silicon Valley is changing its mind about censorship."

LOL BULLSHIT!!! They have always censored since the very beginning of Facebook, since Facebook is purportedly what the article is about. What a load of bshole
 
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Your brainwashing is complete.

A rational human being would look at the situation and see the things trump has said from the beginning and conclude that the press is not only covering what he's said and done but also compare and contrast it to what the historical norms have been. But you aren't a rational human being, are you? Instead you look at the reporting of facts and come to the conclusion that the press has been the one violating historical norms and that trump is the victim.

I'm sorry you no longer live in reality, how difficult life must be for you now.

It's been the oddest experience watching this process. He's been slowly turning into 0roo0roo over the past several months. Don't know as I've ever seen anything quite like it before.
 

Vic

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In my lifetime, I've never seen an American President call the free press the enemy of the People before. So I can't fault the Americans who work for that free press for being 'venomous' to a President who would say such a thing. Seems only natural to me. I know I'd do the same thing if I were in their place.
 

ivwshane

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It's been the oddest experience watching this process. He's been slowly turning into 0roo0roo over the past several months. Don't know as I've ever seen anything quite like it before.

If you know what to look for, its happened several times already on this board. Fern, werepossum, and maybe one other went down a similar path. All were rational and thoughtful and their posts were fact based. Then something happened and you could see their posting style change and they started leaning toward an alternate reality. It could be Alzheimer’s for all I know. I left a different message board because of something similar happening to a poster who I had a lot of respect for and who had helped me with DIY stuff.
 

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If you know what to look for, its happened several times already on this board. Fern, werepossum, and maybe one other went down a similar path. All were rational and thoughtful and their posts were fact based. Then something happened and you could see their posting style change and they started leaning toward an alternate reality. It could be Alzheimer’s for all I know. I left a different message board because of something similar happening to a poster who I had a lot of respect for and who had helped me with DIY stuff.
You should see what happens when this phenomenon occurs to an entire political talk forum, including the administrators. It becomes a paranoid community filled with toxic hateful rhetoric that entertains all the conspiracies.

Dissenters are suppressed and/or eliminated quickly. It’s kind of scary.
 

Vic

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If you know what to look for, its happened several times already on this board. Fern, werepossum, and maybe one other went down a similar path. All were rational and thoughtful and their posts were fact based. Then something happened and you could see their posting style change and they started leaning toward an alternate reality. It could be Alzheimer’s for all I know. I left a different message board because of something similar happening to a poster who I had a lot of respect for and who had helped me with DIY stuff.

Fern and werepossum have always been on the conservative side of the fence. And IMO they're both still rational from what I've seen, although we might disagree on some things. Admittedly, the last time that I saw possum, he was doing some serious mental gymnastics to justify his position on some issue, but it wasn't batshit.

And honestly though, I think that you and a few others here don't always help your cause by being so uncivil all the time. Sometimes, people say stupid shit or jump into a discussion with an incomplete understanding of the issues. And when that happens, being attacked and namecalled doesn't change their minds. Quite the opposite in fact, as the ego will tend to step in. Just my $0.02.
 
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You should see what happens when this phenomenon occurs to an entire political talk forum, including the administrators. It becomes a paranoid community filled with toxic hateful rhetoric that entertains all the conspiracies.

Dissenters are suppressed and/or eliminated quickly. It’s kind of scary.

I've seen this happen on a few boards. The weirdest thing IMO is that they keep believing that they're oppressed, and their opinions are being suppressed, even after they're the only ones left. No es bueno.
 

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In my lifetime I have never seen the media so consistently venomous and derisive of a President. From Day 1 to now. If Trump had ANY real power to control the media or the narrative he would certainly have acted on it, he hasn't because our Constitution will not allow it. In the meantime, if everybody is calling him a shitbag, it is hardly surprising that he would respond in kind.... he has always been like that.

Regarding freedom of speech and freedom of the press, read the full Rolling Stone article referenced below in its entirety. It is the best piece of journalism I have seen from the mm in a long time. We have the mob calling for unaccountable billionaire control of the press and of speech...... that path has always and will always lead to dystopia.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/facebook-censorship-alex-jones-710497/

It is frankly baffling that you blame the people reporting on massive corruption instead of the people engaging in it.
 

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I've seen this happen on a few boards. The weirdest thing IMO is that they keep believing that they're oppressed, and their opinions are being suppressed, even after they're the only ones left. No es bueno.
Trump gives them absolutism. Everything that went wrong in their lives is someone else’s fault. They don’t need to be held accountable for their misfortunes.

It was the deep state, biased media, libtard democrats, Obama and Hillary conspiring with George Soros and the globalist cabal that is to blame.

It’s radial Islam, MS13, kneeling NFL players, and the criminal immigrants that is taking “their” America from them.

And anyone that says otherwise has Trump derangement syndrome.