Biden Considering Filibuster Exception for Voting Rights

[fskimospy]

It is the nature of human beings to seek justice. The only thing that keeps people from not feeling this internally is a result of mental illness, having ones true nature destroyed in childhood. None the less, consciously or unconsciously, everybody knows the difference between justice and injustice no matter how deeply this truth is buried. They are assholes and know it or not the price they pay is that they will never, with out transformation, enjoy the blessings of true self respect. There is justice. People just don't have trust.

We see that when it comes to freedom of speech and the liberal wish to silence Fox News, that logic, wisdom, and sound education may fail to prevail. It may with some but it will not change the fact that the soul wishes for freedom of speech. We learn rather quickly in life it is the truth that is most hated and people do not want to hear. Each of us has different levels of tolerance, depending on past conditioning, the more tolerance the lest conditioning. We were luck with who are forefathers were and what they know about what happens when the speaking of truth is denied.

The entirety of human history is a pretty good indicator that plenty of people do not view justice as a particularly high priority or at a minimum radically disagree on what justice is.

 

[Jaskalas]

That would only be seen as a compromise if republicans actually cared about voter fraud. They don’t and I’m not quite sure why this point alludes you.

It's called politics, and public perception. Republicans stake out a position. Call their bluff with some harmless concessions in order to fight for that which you hold dear. Even if you know it is folly, better to hold up the pretense of civility and engage in public discourse than resort to the alternative. Play the game, see if the public can be moved and force a hand. There's nothing to lose.

 

[ivwshane]

It's called politics, and public perception. Republicans stake out a position. Call their bluff with some harmless concessions in order to fight for that which you hold dear. Even if you know it is folly, better to hold up the pretense of civility and engage in public discourse than resort to the alternative. Play the game, see if the public can be moved and force a hand. There's nothing to lose.

Lol ok. For a minute there I thought you were being really naïve but it turns out you were playing 4d chess…I dig it

 

[Moonbeam]

The entirety of human history is a pretty good indicator that plenty of people do not view justice as a particularly high priority or at a minimum radically disagree on what justice is.

And yet in a country that has maximized freedom of expression the result has been continual expansion of those qualifying as equal under the law. Even monkeys know when a system is treats them unjustly and we are relatively smart monkeys. There is, of course, great injustice in the world but generation after generation, no matter how deeply justice is repressed, the human souls of yet unborn children will naturally yearn for it. There is right and wrong and the urge for goodness among people can never be expunged. It is genetically coded.

 

[vi edit]

Garland fired one directly at congress today: GIVE ME TOOLS TO PROTECT VOTING RIGHTS.
He also blasted the supreme court for destroying voting rights.

 

[HomerJS]

Garland fired one directly at congress today: GIVE ME TOOLS TO PROTECT VOTING RIGHTS.
He also blasted the supreme court for destroying voting rights.

He also blasted Republicans in the states that made voting harder and put partisans in charge. Also the gerrymandering that would have been rejected before 2013.

 

[KMFJD]

No worries, Sinema will not vote for this....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481648985550909443

 

[hal2kilo]

Senema has just spoken. She is not going to support this. We are now officially done. B.....

 

[K1052]

Good luck to that lady surviving a Dem primary in 24. She better line up a good lobbying job but frankly I'm not sure she's really prime for that given her general contempt for the concept of work.

 

[soundforbjt]

Good luck to that lady surviving a Dem primary in 24. She better line up a good lobbying job but frankly I'm not sure she's really prime for that given her general contempt for the concept of work.

She can flip to republican and will be welcomed with open arms.

 

[K1052]

She can flip to republican and will be welcomed with open arms.

Nah they only like her because she gleefully pokes her own party in the eye. They aint going to vote for her in the general.

Anyway she's so convinced of her own genius that she'll still run as a Dem and get absolutely fucking smoked by Gallego in the primary only to be mystified at what happened.

 

[gothuevos]

We're done.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481683193132687363

 

[K1052]

as I was saying

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481683332861763584

 

[vi edit]

Where's Romney in all this? Guy is in a state that has mail in voting. Is beyond safe for reelection. Mitch has *no* power over him. Trump has no power over him. Where's he at in all this? This is the part that chaffs my ass so bad. Manchin and Sinema taking all the blame (rightfully) while just accepting that the other 50 R's in the chamber are going to do fuck all. Hell what about Toomey who's not even running for reelection? Fucking stand up you cowards.

 

[Fenixgoon]

as I was saying

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481683332861763584

If only it would actually change anything.

I live near WV (right at the triple point of MD, PA, and WV) so there have been Joe Manchin ads running on the radio. The ads make it sound like he really believes in bipartisanship (which is very much folly at this point). Supposedly he has some proposed voting rights bill of his own that he is pitching or wants to pitch.

In any event, sinema is full of shit and so is Manchin.

 

[soundforbjt]

Where's Romney in all this? Guy is in a state that has mail in voting. Is beyond safe for reelection. Mitch has *no* power over him. Trump has no power over him. Where's he at in all this? This is the part that chaffs my ass so bad. Manchin and Sinema taking all the blame (rightfully) while just accepting that the other 50 R's in the chamber are going to do fuck all. Hell what about Toomey who's not even running for reelection? Fucking stand up you cowards.

Unfortunately they’re still republicans at their core.

 

[sportage]

OB Won Kanobi, there is still hope.
Hope that Americans are listening, and are outraged over what is happening with Sinema and Manchin, with the majority of Americans wanting BBB and wanting voter rights bills to happen, thus.... voters will go against the grain and come out to support democrats in the midterms.

The media believes democrats are doomed. The congressional republicans believe democrats are doomed. All of them believe democrats are doomed in the midterms. But I don't think so. There is time for voters to come to their senses and reward democrats in the house and senate with more seats. Making Sinema and Manchin moot. We could get our BBB and voter rights, not in 2022 but in 2023. If the voters will allow this, by voting heavily democrat in 2022, then not only will we get the Biden agenda in 2023 but also an easy slide to capturing 2024. Think of it.... under that scenario Donald Trump would not dare run In 2024. Then, finally, we could be done with Donald Trump. FOREVER MORE.

 

[gothuevos]

OB Won Kanobi, there is still hope.
Hope that Americans are listening, and are outraged over what is happening with Sinema and Manchin, with the majority of Americans wanting BBB and wanting voter rights bills to happen, thus.... voters will go against the grain and come out to support democrats in the midterms.

The media believes democrats are doomed. The congressional republicans believe democrats are doomed. All of them believe democrats are doomed in the midterms. But I don't think so. There is time for voters to come to their senses and reward democrats in the house and senate with more seats. Making Sinema and Manchin moot. We could get our BBB and voter rights, not in 2022 but in 2023. If the voters will allow this, by voting heavily democrat in 2022, then not only will we get the Biden agenda in 2023 but also an easy slide to capturing 2024. Think of it.... under that scenario Donald Trump would not dare run In 2024. Then, finally, we could be done with Donald Trump. FOREVER MORE.

This is a pipe dream.

Biden is underwater in polls (even at 33% in one poll, sure maybe an outlier) and he is continually raked over the coals with inflation (global problem, not saying it's his fault, but the attacks will stick).

My own personal opinion, but even if you think modern polls are useless, I really think a better "modern gauge" of the electorate has been comment sections in articles, YT videos, etc. And it is not kind to Biden and the Dems these days, for a myriad of reasons. Sprinkle in the usual gerrymandering plus usual expected incumbent midterm losses, and I think you are looking at a bloodbath of epic proportions. There is just zero energy/momentum behind this admin right now. And what good they've done (COVID bailouts, infrastructure, etc) are heavily overshadowed. It really feels like sentiment has just soured on Dems, and a lot of it is misinformation and the right poisoning the well, and some of it is COVID fatigue, and some of it is failing to deliver (as weird as that is to hear one year into an admin).

 

[sportage]

Where's Romney in all this?

Seriously?
Romney is still driving around with his dog strapped to the roof.

Romney gave a speech, I think yesterday, totally against changing the rules and thus siding with.... George Wallace. Just as Biden said.
Romney is a republican, definitely all republican. A Mitch McConnell republican.
Don't let a little presidential impeachment thing fool you.
No, Mitt Romney is not going to ride in as the knight in shining armor to save this day or any day. Mitt has been too busy selling off his 23 million dollar beach home in San Diego. Nitt is only concerned with covering his ass, not yours.

 

[Brainonska511]

Bipartisanship is overrated. And removing the filibuster would probably enhance bipartisan cooperation, as you could probably convince a few Republican senators to break ranks for selected issues. As it stands, getting 10 to break rank is nearly impossible.

 

[fskimospy]

Bipartisanship is overrated. And removing the filibuster would probably enhance bipartisan cooperation, as you could probably convince a few Republican senators to break ranks for selected issues. As it stands, getting 10 to break rank is nearly impossible.

It’s kind of funny that those defending the filibuster are essentially arguing that it would be bad if the people the voters elected got to enact their agenda.

 

[sportage]

This is a pipe dream.

Well, I don't know.
All politics is upside down now, and I believe democrats could benefit off the insanity, After all, what has a republican majority ever done for the middle class other than screw them even further? I think voters are waking up to that reality.
People want action and action never involves a republican majority. Never has, never will. As far as social media and the politics, the squeaky wheel always gets the oil. Everyone knows that people on social media like YT are nutz.
People want stuff to happen, for them, and democrats have the desire to deliver where as republicans do not. We will see how that reflects at the polls come November.

 

[Fenixgoon]

This is a pipe dream.

Biden is underwater in polls (even at 33% in one poll, sure maybe an outlier) and he is continually raked over the coals with inflation (global problem, not saying it's his fault, but the attacks will stick).

My own personal opinion, but even if you think modern polls are useless, I really think a better "modern gauge" of the electorate has been comment sections in articles, YT videos, etc. And it is not kind to Biden and the Dems these days, for a myriad of reasons. Sprinkle in the usual gerrymandering plus usual expected incumbent midterm losses, and I think you are looking at a bloodbath of epic proportions. There is just zero energy/momentum behind this admin right now. And what good they've done (COVID bailouts, infrastructure, etc) are heavily overshadowed. It really feels like sentiment has just soured on Dems, and a lot of it is misinformation and the right poisoning the well, and some of it is COVID fatigue, and some of it is failing to deliver (as weird as that is to hear one year into an admin).

Can't deliver with 48+2 (+1).

If Dems had say...55 senators, then things would look so much different.

 

[Thump553]

I'm mystified at the support for the filibuster rule in the first place. Since when was eliminating veto power by a minority over action by a majority of the Senate an American principle? It's only a Senate procedural rule, enacted by vote of the Senators-not part of the Constitution or anything EVER voted on by the people. We are supposed a government of the people by the people, not a government of a special bureaucratic aristocracy.

There is a major effort underway to rig elections for the foreseeable future and to destroy what vestiges of democracy we still cling to. This is not something to compromise on or quibble about.

 

[dainthomas]

She's just a trash human being. Can't believe she used to be Green Party.