Biden: Clinton never figured out why she was running

[agent00f]

She had a message alright, to her rich corporate backers behind closed doors which was, "don't worry what I say in public I will take care of you"


Democrats struggled to respond Sunday to damning revelations that Hillary Clinton wants "open borders" across the Western Hemisphere and that she repeatedly assured wealthy bankers in private speeches that her public statements on Wall Street reform were merely political posturing.

As Mrs. Clinton headed into a high-stakes presidential debate Sunday night with Republican Donald Trump, her statements in private speeches to powerful banks - revealed by WikiLeaks after a hack of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's private emails - appear to reinforce the worst presumptions that conservatives and skeptical progressives have about the former first lady.

Republicans argue that her self-described "dream" of open borders proves Mrs. Clinton isn't willing to secure America or make protecting the homeland a top priority. For liberals, her doublespeak on Wall Street reform crystallizes the criticisms lobbed by Sen. Bernard Sanders and others throughout the Democratic primary campaign that Mrs. Clinton is a hypocrite who will say and do anything to get and keep power.

"If everybody's watching, you know, all of the backroom discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So you need both a public and a private position," Mrs. Clinton said in an April 2013 address. "You just have to sort of figure out how to - getting back to that word, 'balance' - how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today."

Always odd when people brag about being too dumb/naive to understand how centrist politics works.

There's actually a good bit of this that I agree with. Hillary was death on 2 legs. As to Moonie's point, a part of Trump's appeal was his giving a double middle finger right in the eyes of the lib establishment. He didn't do the typical 'stupid party' thing of wetting themselves, curling up in a ball, and slobbering out an apology whenever a dem looked at them cross-eyed. Hillary looked old, weak, unhealthy, passionless, but arrogant. Adding to that the leaked DNC and Podesta emails only proved that all the Ds had to offer was an old, worn-out, corrupt elitist.

So they were basically voting for that loudmouth racist uncle, sounds about right.

 

[glenn1]

She had a message. It was just inaudible to some over the din of Trump, right wing agitprop & concern trolling about Bernie. You know it's true.

In a sane egalitarian system she'd be president by virtue of a 2.8M vote lead & Trump would be brooding in his tower.

It can't be an egalitarian system by definition if the 2 options it produces are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

 

[brandonbull]

Them liberals and their emancipation and desegregation, amiright?

Hillary Clinton and her ilk have no interest in either of those things, they only care about those ideas as long as it garners them votes and provides them with a plenty of "workers". She proved over the years that she cared little for anyone except rich, white elites with her comments and actions. Them liberals have created and organized everyone into nice and neat little groups which is extreme segregation.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

She knew why she was running, it was her turn to be President dammit!!!! It was those damned meddling deplorables that ruined it for her.

 

[agent00f]

Hillary Clinton and her ilk have no interest in either of those things, they only care about those ideas as long as it garners them votes and provides them with a plenty of "workers". She proved over the years that she cared little for anyone except rich, white elites with her comments and actions. Them liberals have created and organized everyone into nice and neat little groups which is extreme segregation.

Good thing american conservatism and trump care about the little people, or at least the segregationist types.

She knew why she was running, it was her turn to be President dammit!!!! It was those damned meddling deplorables that ruined it for her.

Woman should've known her place.

 

[Commodus]

Hillary Clinton and her ilk have no interest in either of those things, they only care about those ideas as long as it garners them votes and provides them with a plenty of "workers". She proved over the years that she cared little for anyone except rich, white elites with her comments and actions. Them liberals have created and organized everyone into nice and neat little groups which is extreme segregation.

As opposed to Trump and Pence, who treat the LGBT community as subhuman and act as if solving national security and jobs is just a matter of getting rid of enough brown people?

Also, I'd far rather have someone who cares about good ideas out of expediency than someone who stands for bad ideas out of principle, i.e. Trump. What was that Ralph Emerson said about a foolish consistency being the hobgoblin of little minds?

 

[agent00f]

Pondering the consequences of bigotry is da Real bigotry. That's why Real manly men don't ponder anything.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Guess those deplorable women and minorities that voted for Trump didn't get the Memo.

 

[agent00f]

Guess those deplorable women and minorities that voted for Trump didn't get the Memo.

Race before gender and spanish before indigenous.

 

[Jaskalas]

Go ahead and call them race traitors Agent, we know you want to.

 

[agent00f]

Go ahead and call them race traitors Agent, we know you want to.

Already a given for house slaves.

 

[desura]

No. This is more Biden-Obama's fault than Clinton's fault. I'm not kidding either.

Honestly, overall it probably would have been better if Clinton had beaten Obama, Obama had served as her VP, and now he was running for President.

Clinton would probably have kept ISIS from popping up because she is more interventionist. She couldn't say this on the trail, but this is probably what she really does think. As for Libya...eh...the broader tone was set by Obama who welcomed the Arab Spring. Thing about Obama is that he took Arab grievances seriously, that they hated us because we supported tyranny in their societies. Clinton didn't buy this. Clinton supported the dictators like Mubarak. Today, Sisi is reportedly worse than Mubarak. Clinton listens to Henry Kissinger. Obama probably absorbed much from Rashid Khalidi who does the typical blame the West narrative.

Furthermore, under Obama, the Democratic party became much more identity politics based, and so all of the staffers who surrounded Clinton and the electorate she had to appeal to were much more obsessed with ID politics. This is because Obama didn't bother with party building, and so the Democrats have really narrowed over the last six years of Obama. Clinton would have kept this from happening if she had been in charge.

Obama has the prestige and the platform, but overall, he bears the most responsibility for this loss.

 

[pcgeek11]

I never said otherwise. It'll be interesting to see how your spite & petulance hold up during the unfolding train wreck of a Trump presidency.

Where have I been spiteful or petulant.
All of those on the left continue to moan about why Hillary should be or should have won. I was only pointing out the obvious as many don't seem to get it. She lost using the rules that govern the election.

 

[Jhhnn]

It can't be an egalitarian system by definition if the 2 options it produces are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

Lame excuse. If everybody's vote counted the same, Clinton would be president. Al Gore would have been president instead of GWB, as well.

 

[pcgeek11]

Lame, is correct. We work on a different system ( Electorial College ). Learn to cope.

 

[Jhhnn]

No. This is more Biden-Obama's fault than Clinton's fault. I'm not kidding either.

Honestly, overall it probably would have been better if Clinton had beaten Obama, Obama had served as her VP, and now he was running for President.

Clinton would probably have kept ISIS from popping up because she is more interventionist. She couldn't say this on the trail, but this is probably what she really does think. As for Libya...eh...the broader tone was set by Obama who welcomed the Arab Spring. Thing about Obama is that he took Arab grievances seriously, that they hated us because we supported tyranny in their societies. Clinton didn't buy this. Clinton supported the dictators like Mubarak. Today, Sisi is reportedly worse than Mubarak. Clinton listens to Henry Kissinger. Obama probably absorbed much from Rashid Khalidi who does the typical blame the West narrative.

Furthermore, under Obama, the Democratic party became much more identity politics based, and so all of the staffers who surrounded Clinton and the electorate she had to appeal to were much more obsessed with ID politics. This is because Obama didn't bother with party building, and so the Democrats have really narrowed over the last six years of Obama. Clinton would have kept this from happening if she had been in charge.

Obama has the prestige and the platform, but overall, he bears the most responsibility for this loss.

Donald Trump feasted on White identity politics among those lacking college degrees & on the well cultivated misperception of a poor economy. It's not a poor economy.

How blunt does it need to be to get the point across? It's the inequality, stupid. The people at the top, the people like Donald Trump, are hogging the pie. They rig the system to keep it that way. With Trump & A Repub congress they'll push it even further.

Trump loves the uneducated precisely because they lack the whatever it takes to look a little deeper, to get past the emotional bullshit & the sloganeering. Repubs have preyed on it for decades.

 

[cubby1223]

Lame excuse. If everybody's vote counted the same, Clinton would be president. Al Gore would have been president instead of GWB, as well.

Except you can only state that to a degree of certainty - a degree much less than 100%.

The electoral college is the system we have in place for Presidential elections. The Democrats crafted their strategies for victory based on the rules of the electoral college. Republicans crafted their strategies based on the rules of the electoral college. Change the rules, change the approach, change the message, change the target groups, change the targeted regions.

But certainly believing what you say helps you sleep at night. So I'll give you that much. I do want you to be able to get good nights' rests.

 

[pcgeek11]

Donald Trump feasted on White identity politics among those lacking college degrees & on the well cultivated misperception of a poor economy. It's not a poor economy.

How blunt does it need to be to get the point across? It's the inequality, stupid. The people at the top, the people like Donald Trump, are hogging the pie. They rig the system to keep it that way. With Trump & A Repub congress they'll push it even further.

Trump loves the uneducated precisely because they lack the whatever it takes to look a little deeper, to get past the emotional bullshit & the sloganeering. Repubs have preyed on it for decades.

And Hillary doesn't...

 

[hal2kilo]

Hit the nail on the head.

My biggest objection to her being the nominee. It was like it was pre-ordained, even though Obama beat the crap out of her in the primaries. In the early days, when I knew it was to be, I swore I would not vote for the neocon, and DLC product, but, I thought I understood the politics and that you had to go with the momentum. Also, I did not think American was ready for a socialist. I just did not realize the rise of fascism that has overtaken conservative politics.

 

[Jhhnn]

Lame, is correct. We work on a different system ( Electorial College ). Learn to cope.

Indeed we do. We kept it because it reflected the popular vote throughout the 20th century. It was merely a formality until 2000 & a nice junket for the electors.

What we'll see from the Trump presidency is a complete disrespect & disregard for the will of a substantial majority. Take a hard right & slap the pedal to the metal. Really put the bone to 'em.

If Clinton couldn't figure out why she was running then Trump voters sure as Hell didn't figure out what they were voting for.

 

[agent00f]

Donald Trump feasted on White identity politics among those lacking college degrees & on the well cultivated misperception of a poor economy. It's not a poor economy.

How blunt does it need to be to get the point across? It's the inequality, stupid. The people at the top, the people like Donald Trump, are hogging the pie. They rig the system to keep it that way. With Trump & A Repub congress they'll push it even further.

Trump loves the uneducated precisely because they lack the whatever it takes to look a little deeper, to get past the emotional bullshit & the sloganeering. Repubs have preyed on it for decades.

You can't entirely absolve house slaves of preferring the status quo.

 

[FerrelGeek]

You never fail to disappoint me with your idiocy - a one-note symphony in Derp Major.

Always odd when people brag about being too dumb/naive to understand how centrist politics works.

So they were basically voting for that loudmouth racist uncle, sounds about right.

 

[desura]

Donald Trump feasted on White identity politics among those lacking college degrees & on the well cultivated misperception of a poor economy. It's not a poor economy.

How blunt does it need to be to get the point across? It's the inequality, stupid. The people at the top, the people like Donald Trump, are hogging the pie. They rig the system to keep it that way. With Trump & A Repub congress they'll push it even further.

Trump loves the uneducated precisely because they lack the whatever it takes to look a little deeper, to get past the emotional bullshit & the sloganeering. Repubs have preyed on it for decades.

It is like you don't even read what I say but insist on pounding this angle which I didn't even touch on for or against in the post.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You never fail to disappoint me with your idiocy - a one-note symphony in Derp Major.

The majority of forum members see him or her as a troll. Great for comedic relief on a daily basis.

 

[agent00f]

You never fail to disappoint me with your idiocy - a one-note symphony in Derp Major.

The majority of forum members see him or her as a troll. Great for comedic relief on a daily basis.

It's only so trivial to corner mouthy tough guys because they lack the mind to argue themselves out of it.