Biden: Clinton never figured out why she was running

[Londo_Jowo]

Oh, she had a message. It was that she was genuinely competent while her opponents were ridiculously incompetent, Sanders included. This message will become more apparent as time goes on.

Yet all I saw on TV were Trump attack ads instead ads stating this message. Trump on the other hand was running Make America Great Again ads. I believe his ads played better to the voters viewing the shows/ads.

 

[Vic]

Yet all I saw on TV were Trump attack ads instead ads stating this message. Trump on the other hand was running Make America Great Again ads. I believe his ads played better to the voters viewing the shows/ads.

Yeah, Hillary for prison was such a positive message.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yeah, Hillary for prison was such a positive message.

I never saw a negative ad by the Trump campaign or a PAC on his behalf in the 2 months leading up to the election.

 

[ivwshane]

I never saw a negative ad by the Trump campaign or a PAC on his behalf in the 2 months leading up to the election.

Didn't you state earlier that you weren't even paying attention to the election on the news networks? Of course you didn't see any negative ads, your head was buried in the sand.

Lol

 

[Jhhnn]

I never saw a negative ad by the Trump campaign or a PAC on his behalf in the 2 months leading up to the election.

You didn't see? That's unsurprising, all things considered. Here's all the ads ever run-

https://newrepublic.com/political-ad-database

Trump's whole campaign was a shit slinging mud fest.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I guess

You didn't see? That's unsurprising, all things considered. Here's all the ads ever run-

https://newrepublic.com/political-ad-database

Trump's whole campaign was a shit slinging mud fest.

His campaign must have chose to run the positive ads on Discovery, History, Travel, and Science channels where as Clinton's campaign chose to run negative ads.

 

[Jhhnn]

I guess

His campaign must have chose to run the positive ads on Discovery, History, Travel, and Science channels where as Clinton's campaign chose to run negative ads.

Or you're just spreading the old bullshit.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh, she had a message. It was that she was genuinely competent while her opponents were ridiculously incompetent, Sanders included. This message will become more apparent as time goes on.

When I said real message I maybe should have said resonating message. I think the issue of competence will become visible more with Trump than it would have with Sanders, who did have a message I believe would have won the election had he been the nominee. I believe also that the damage he might have done would be far less that what we are about to witness. How to restore democracy to the country by eliminating money as speech and corporations as people is the only real issue that matters to me. I believe our system is dysfunctional and fixing it is all that matters. I believe that was what Sanders was after. I don't put competence at the top of my list given our political condition, but it it's your top issue I can see Clinton as the clear choice, a choice I expressed at the polls.

 

[kage69]

Gawd. This endless blaming of Hillary & the Dems is getting tedious.

Just because I believe she screwed up doesn't mean I believe she shoulders all of the blame. That doesn't explain your Trump rant though, I fear you're making an assumption about me.

What really happened is that we were buried under bullshit, under the first full blown political campaign of the post truth era of Trump & the Repubs. They preyed on well laid illusions & cultivated discontent well enough to snooker enough Americans to win the election. The concern trolling for poor! Bernie! was a master stroke among many. For Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Clinton, all I can say is now you'll get what you didn't have the good sense to vote against, & it won't be pretty. Well, unless you're just one of the tear it down faction in which case Trump will do the job for you.

Yes I am a Bernie supporter, but this 'college educated white male' is proud that he voted for Hillary instead Trump. I understand you are still a little raw from an ignorant orange cumstain beating the most qualified candidate to ever run for office, a lot of us are, but only one of us seems to be mad at a specific group for doing exactly what they said they would do if the anti-establishment candidate lost.
You can deny this was an anti-establishment election all you want, I don't care. You can disagree/resent/possibly hate that I believe Bernie would have absolutely crushed Trump, I don't care.

I do care when you try to make my perspective seem absolutist. Remember the thread on Paul LePage of Maine? Food for thought, I hope. Btw, Happy New Year buddy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Just because I believe she screwed up doesn't mean I believe she shoulders all of the blame. That doesn't explain your Trump rant though, I fear you're making an assumption about me.




Yes I am a Bernie supporter, but this 'college educated white male' is proud that he voted for Hillary instead Trump. I understand you are still a little raw from an ignorant orange cumstain beating the most qualified candidate to ever run for office, a lot of us are, but only one of us seems to be mad at a specific group for doing exactly what they said they would do if the anti-establishment candidate lost.
You can deny this was an anti-establishment election all you want, I don't care. You can disagree/resent/possibly hate that I believe Bernie would have absolutely crushed Trump, I don't care.

I do care when you try to make my perspective seem absolutist. Remember the thread on Paul LePage of Maine? Food for thought, I hope. Btw, Happy New Year buddy.

Absolutist? Bernie supporters who stayed home were the absolutists who rolled over for DJT. Can't have it all my way? Fukit! Just let Trump burn it down! That'll show 'em!

 

[agent00f]

I guess

His campaign must have chose to run the positive ads on Discovery, History, Travel, and Science channels where as Clinton's campaign chose to run negative ads.

You sure do manage to find so many untrue positive things about him for someone not beholden to breitbart agitprop.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You sure do manage to find so many untrue positive things about him for someone not beholden to breitbart agitprop.

I can only base my opinions on what I saw and not on what may have been. I'm willing to give the man a chance unlike biased members of the forum. He was not my choice but none the less he will be the President in just a little over three weeks.

 

[agent00f]

I can only base my opinions on what I saw and not on what may have been. I'm willing to give the man a chance unlike biased members of the forum. He was not my choice but none the less he will be the President in just a little over three weeks.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll somehow think up even more untrue positives as time goes on. It's just so hard to be pessimistic about the guy given all the maga things he's said up to now.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll somehow think up even more untrue positives as time goes on. It's just so hard to be pessimistic about the guy given all the maga things he's said up to now.

Just as I'm sure that no matter what he does you will find something wrong with it. You are no different than the far right when they attack Obama over everything he does both good or bad

 

[agent00f]

Just as I'm sure that no matter what he does you will find something wrong with it. You are no different than the far right when they attack Obama over everything he does both good or bad

Ur so smart to figure out "both sides" amiright. Hahahahhaahaha

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ur so smart to figure out "both sides" amiright. Hahahahhaahaha

Yes, and you're opposite side of the coin from Michal1980.

 

[kage69]

Absolutist? Bernie supporters who stayed home were the absolutists who rolled over for DJT. Can't have it all my way? Fukit! Just let Trump burn it down! That'll show 'em!

So we're back to just ranting huh?

The election changed you Jhhnn, and I think it's a shame.

 

[JackBurton]

Support for the racist/terroristic group BLM and her constant attack on the second amendment are what killed Clinton's chances. It's as simple as that. She should have declared war on BLM and vowed to revoke the unconstitutional laws banning firearms in states like CA and NY. It would have been an easy win for Hillary. Instead she continued to support that piece of shit BLM group, further dividing the country, and looked to essentially neuter the second amendment.

The left put Trump in power and divided the country. Trump just threw gas on the fire. Blame only your idiotic policies and views for this mess. I'm excited to see Trump in power just to see the little weak leftist bitches crying in the corner. We all know the idiots can't fend for themselves, so I'll relish the days to come. They may even have to resort to working to get what they want instead of protesting and demanding handouts.

And stop with the popular vote. Clinton was ahead by essentially a freakin' city. Wow, how impressive. She won by LA. Stop with the crying and temper tantrums. That's why we have the electoral college. So the idiots in CA and NY can't overly influence a presidential election.

 

[Bowfinger]

Absolutist? Bernie supporters who stayed home were the absolutists who rolled over for DJT. Can't have it all my way? Fukit! Just let Trump burn it down! That'll show 'em!

This sense of entitlement is one of the reasons Clinton lost. If Clinton and her fans wanted the votes of Sanders' supporters, you needed to earn them. You needed to reach out and engage them, address their hot issues, and work through their misgivings about Clinton. You can't attack them and mock them, then expect them to line up behind you anyway. That's not how human nature works. So congratulations, they did show you, and you own it.

 

[Bowfinger]

Yet all I saw on TV were Trump attack ads instead ads stating this message. Trump on the other hand was running Make America Great Again ads. I believe his ads played better to the voters viewing the shows/ads.

That was one of my complaints during the campaign. Clinton and her proxies ran way too many anti-Trump ads. She did a great job telling people why Trump is human vermin (and he is). She didn't do a very good job telling people why they should support her. That was one of the problems I found talking to friends who were on the fence: they agreed Trump was bad, but they couldn't see how Clinton was better. IMO, Clinton needed more positive ads, both in quantity and variety. She had positive ads based on her work for children and women. I don't remember ads promoting her positions or experience on jobs and the economy, for example.

For the record, Trump and his proxies ran plenty of anti-Clinton ads. Some of them were pretty vile. Trump did a better job of balancing positive and negative, however.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That was one of my complaints during the campaign. Clinton and her proxies ran way too many anti-Trump ads. She did a great job telling people why Trump is human vermin (and he is). She didn't do a very good job telling people why they should support her. That was one of the problems I found talking to friends who were on the fence: they agreed Trump was bad, but they couldn't see how Clinton was better. IMO, Clinton needed more positive ads, both in quantity and variety. She had positive ads based on her work for children and women. I don't remember ads promoting her positions or experience on jobs and the economy, for example.

For the record, Trump and his proxies ran plenty of anti-Clinton ads. Some of them were pretty vile. Trump did a better job of balancing positive and negative, however.

Thank you for your reply. It's very possible the channels I watched for a couple of hours (7-9pm) daily ran negative ads by Trump during times I wasn't watching but I never saw any. Then again I was working 12 hours a day, 7 days week starting 6 weeks before the election and normally went to bed early to ensure I got sufficient rest.

 

[ivwshane]

This sense of entitlement is one of the reasons Clinton lost. If Clinton and her fans wanted the votes of Sanders' supporters, you needed to earn them. You needed to reach out and engage them, address their hot issues, and work through their misgivings about Clinton. You can't attack them and mock them, then expect them to line up behind you anyway. That's not how human nature works. So congratulations, they did show you, and you own it.

Her sense of entitlement? So you mean your gut feeling then since I'm sure you can't actually produce anything that would show her acting entitled.

Bernie supporters are as dumb as fucking rocks.

 

[ivwshane]

That was one of my complaints during the campaign. Clinton and her proxies ran way too many anti-Trump ads. She did a great job telling people why Trump is human vermin (and he is). She didn't do a very good job telling people why they should support her. That was one of the problems I found talking to friends who were on the fence: they agreed Trump was bad, but they couldn't see how Clinton was better. IMO, Clinton needed more positive ads, both in quantity and variety. She had positive ads based on her work for children and women. I don't remember ads promoting her positions or experience on jobs and the economy, for example.

For the record, Trump and his proxies ran plenty of anti-Clinton ads. Some of them were pretty vile. Trump did a better job of balancing positive and negative, however.

I agree. Her whole campaign should have been about her talking about the details of the thousands of policies she put together. Her campaign slogan should have been, "enough talk".

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Just as I voted my conscience (did not vote for either Trump or Clinton), I'm sure many Bernie supporters did the same. All are good with their decision no matter how people are butthurt over it. Maybe in 4 years we'll get better candidates worth one's vote

 

[IGBT]

She honestly ( honesty in a clinton is a stretch) believed it was simply "her turn" and it was owed to her..after years of eating shite sandwiches served up by Bill Clinton i.e.Bill's Oval Office Bimbo Eruption Manager and hillary was also the originator of "fake news" to cover all Bill Clinton's Oval Office sexual exploits. The DNC screwed her in 2008 by going with the half white guy..similar to how the DNC screwed Bernie Sanders i.e. hillary colluding with debbie wasserman schultz to fiddle with the electoral vote count. In the end the DNC couldn't keep track of the mountain of lies smoke and mirrors they were using to "propel" hillary into the white house and collapsed under their own weight. That's when the "Blame The Russians" campaign got started..to cover how the DNC screwed Bernie Sanders...

Leaked DNC Emails Confirm Democrats Rigged Primary, Reveal Extensive Media Collusion

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...gged-primary-reveal-extensive-media-collusion