Biden and Obama camp repeating lies

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dahunan

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

You read his answer.. lol.. but look at how he refers to Bush

OOOPPPSSS seems you forgot to actually read my answer.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

For the same reason others use GWB or RP or SP. Got something to ask me about the OP?


You have something regarding the topic to ask?

Why don't YOU call bush GWB ??

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'm not bothered - you people seem to be - thus you derail threads because of it. I suggest you get over it...

You obviously cared enough to create a thread about it, and apparently you mind when threads are derailed because of it... because you have repeatedly mentioned it.

So again, if you want it to stop you can either sit around and wait for everyone to change, or change yourself.

lol, I created a thread because I cared that you people were using it to derail threads with it. I'm not bothered by it's use.

Unfortunately I guess <redacted to protect the innocent>.

Okay, so you do care. Now you know how to stop it. (of course you've always known how to stop it, but as I said before I think you are more interested in fighting than anything else)
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

You read his answer.. lol.. but look at how he refers to Bush

OOOPPPSSS seems you forgot to actually read my answer.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

For the same reason others use GWB or RP or SP. Got something to ask me about the OP?


You have something regarding the topic to ask?

Give it up. You only do it for 'BHO'. Not JRB (Joe Robinette Biden), JSM (John Sidney McCain, or SLHP (Sarah Louise Heath Palin). Just Barack HUSSEIN Obama. I can see abbreviating Bush as GWB because the only thing distinguishing him (GWB) from his father (GHWB) is their middle names. Spin it all you want with your innocent pretending but you don't have a leg to stand on and you're not fooling anyone.

As far as the OP, apparently Biden's version isn't 100% factual. What are you looking for? 'Got us'? Ok, fine. Now let's talk about McCain misrepresenting Obama's sex ed plan or health care plan or whatever. Both sides have been doing it the entire campaign. Just look at FactCheck.org. In short, your thread isn't new and it isn't news.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'm not bothered - you people seem to be - thus you derail threads because of it. I suggest you get over it...

You obviously cared enough to create a thread about it, and apparently you mind when threads are derailed because of it... because you have repeatedly mentioned it.

So again, if you want it to stop you can either sit around and wait for everyone to change, or change yourself.

lol, I created a thread because I cared that you people were using it to derail threads with it. I'm not bothered by it's use.

Unfortunately I guess <redacted to protect the innocent>.

Okay, so you do care. Now you know how to stop it. (of course you've always known how to stop it, but as I said before I think you are more interested in fighting than anything else)

CSG loves to go round and round on semantics. :laugh:
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'm not bothered - you people seem to be - thus you derail threads because of it. I suggest you get over it...

Now what the hell do you mean by this "you people" business???

;)
 

Skitzer

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Seems to me like CADsortaGUY struck a nerve here. The post is legitimate and true in my opinion and all I see are people attacking him. Why can't you people stay on topic ........ ummmm, nevermind, you all obviously have nothing to counter the subject with so ...... flame on!
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
Seems to me like CADsortaGUY struck a nerve here. The post is legitimate and true in my opinion...

Now, all you have to do is what CAD didn't... or can't. Prove it.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Skitzer
Seems to me like CADsortaGUY struck a nerve here. The post is legitimate and true in my opinion...

Now, all you have to do is what CAD didn't... or can't. Prove it.

They can't.

All they gots is Attack-Attack-Attack.

They are fighting with 30 year old Atwater Tools - and don't understand why the more they attack, the wider Obama's lead becomes .... America moved on and the GOP wheels are stuck in a ditch.

A hateful one at that ...
 

DealMonkey

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Cad? Have you ever read the Obama/Biden plan for Iraq? It sure doesn't seem like you have.

A Responsible, Phased Withdrawal

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 ? more than 7 years after the war began.

Under the Obama-Biden plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. They will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism.

The withdrawal will be directed by military commanders on the ground and in consulation with the Iraq government. That sure sounds like a withdrawal plan based on the ground conditions to me, but feel free to continue misrepresenting it.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

 

JD50

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Isn't the liberals that like to say that conservatives have a persecution complex?
 

Jhhnn

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CSG represents mere semantics as some sort of honest distinction. they're not.

Bush agrees to a "general time horizon", subject to conditions.

Obama wants a "timetable", subject to conditions.

Cover the difference between the two statements with your pinkie finger.

McCain still seeks to find a definition of "Victory" that will allow us to stay until we get it, whatever it is.

Bush still wants permanent US bases in Iraq, and a sweetheart deal for American Oil. As likely does McCain. The vague offer of a general time horizon is a carrot for the Iraqis. The Iraqis have no intention of agreeing to any such thing, so they'll just stall until they see the results of the US elections.

The Bush Admin will be lucky to get an interim agreement for troops to stay long enough to negotiate an agreement with the next admin. Yeh, sure, they'll stay anyway, but lack of an agreement puts the pressure on the US, not the Iraqis...

BHO? Codespeak, to let the rabid right reader know that the poster is one of them... kinda like "Democrat Party", "Dred Scott", "States Rights", "Values", "Welfare Queens", "Law and Order", "Silent Majority", "Death Tax" and a whole lot more...
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn

BHO? Codespeak, to let the rabid right reader know that the poster is one of them... kinda like "Democrat Party", "Dred Scott", "States Rights", "Values", "Welfare Queens", "Law and Order", "Silent Majority", "Death Tax" and a whole lot more...

Honest question here. Do conservatives get this worked up over such trivial stuff? I'm asking because obviously I'm a conservative, so I'm a little biased and might not notice when we get this petty. Can someone give me an example of conservatives being this hypersensitive over things like this? I'd like to know so that I avoid looking as juvenile and petty as Jhhnn and the rest of the BHO crybabies look.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jhhnn

BHO? Codespeak, to let the rabid right reader know that the poster is one of them... kinda like "Democrat Party", "Dred Scott", "States Rights", "Values", "Welfare Queens", "Law and Order", "Silent Majority", "Death Tax" and a whole lot more...

Honest question here. Do conservatives get this worked up over such trivial stuff?

No. They get worked up about other trivial stuff, like the color of a candidate's skin or their middle name is a great indicator of someone's patriotism, or that a candidate's belief in anything other than their own ooga booga deity means squat about their ethics, morals or integrity, or that the gender of someone's love interest is any of their fucking business.
 

Fern

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I don't understand, or agree with, the handwringing over the use of Obama's middle name.

It is what it is. (And not like his 1st and last names are as common as *John* and *Smith* anyway)

If being a Muslim is not a *bad thing*, why should any on the left act like it is? That's all it looks like when one these freal-out episodes errupt over the use of it or his full initials.

If anyone feels there is unfair stigma attached to such names, you ain't solving that by making it an offense to use it. It'll be solved when it's used so much no one bats an eyelash or gives it a second thought. Which, BTW, was where that was firmly headed given all the nonchalance over such names (lot's of pro-athletes and other people in the news have such names) until you guys started this stuff.

Fern

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Jhhnn

BHO? Codespeak, to let the rabid right reader know that the poster is one of them... kinda like "Democrat Party", "Dred Scott", "States Rights", "Values", "Welfare Queens", "Law and Order", "Silent Majority", "Death Tax" and a whole lot more...

Honest question here. Do conservatives get this worked up over such trivial stuff?

No. They get worked up about other trivial stuff, like the color of a candidate's skin or their middle name is a great indicator of someone's patriotism, or that a candidate's belief in anything other than their own ooga booga deity means squat about their ethics, morals or integrity, or that the gender of someone's love interest is any of their fucking business.

I'm not talking about issues that you might disagree with, I'm talking about the silly stuff like using someone's middle initial, or saying "Democrat" instead of "Democratic"....
 
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Originally posted by: Fern
I don't understand, or agree with, the handwringing over the use of Obama's middle name.

It is what it is. (And not like his 1st and last names are as common as *John* and *Smith* anyway)

If being a Muslim is not a *bad thing*, why should any on the left act like it is? That's all it looks like when one these freal-out episodes errupt over the use of it or his full initials.

If anyone feels there is unfair stigma attached to such names, you ain't solving that by making it an offense to use it. It'll be solved when it's used so much no one bats an eyelash or gives it a second thought. Which, BTW, was where that was firmly headed given all the nonchalance over such names (lot's of pro-athletes and other people in the news have such names) until you guys started this stuff.

Fern


It's like calling a Mexican a Mexican and a Jew a Jew. There is a right way to say it and a wrong way. Guess which way the righties are using Hussein.
 

Ozoned

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I guess what I learned from this thread is that when Jesus Christ was born, people, out of respect, didn't call him JC. :)
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-


It's like calling a Mexican a Mexican and a Jew a Jew. There is a right way to say it and a wrong way. Guess which way the righties are using Hussein.

As his (middle) name?

Fern
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'm not bothered - you people seem to be - thus you derail threads because of it. I suggest you get over it...

You obviously cared enough to create a thread about it, and apparently you mind when threads are derailed because of it... because you have repeatedly mentioned it.

So again, if you want it to stop you can either sit around and wait for everyone to change, or change yourself.

lol, I created a thread because I cared that you people were using it to derail threads with it. I'm not bothered by it's use.

Unfortunately I guess <redacted to protect the innocent>.

Okay, so you do care. Now you know how to stop it. (of course you've always known how to stop it, but as I said before I think you are more interested in fighting than anything else)

Or, I could continue to do as I please regarding BHO and you over sensitive types can stop trying to derail threads with it.

If you don't like how I post don't read my posts or respond to them... ;)
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Fern

I don't understand, or agree with, the handwringing over the use of Obama's middle name.

The "hand wringing" part is over regarding Obama and this election. The luddites still supporting McCain long ago wore out the effectiveness of the tactic, except among their fellow luddites so, by itself, it's no longer an issue.

The good news for most Americans, and the bad part for that subgroup of Republicans, is that it just confirms and reinforces their image of as the bigots they are.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'm not bothered - you people seem to be - thus you derail threads because of it. I suggest you get over it...

You obviously cared enough to create a thread about it, and apparently you mind when threads are derailed because of it... because you have repeatedly mentioned it.

So again, if you want it to stop you can either sit around and wait for everyone to change, or change yourself.

lol, I created a thread because I cared that you people were using it to derail threads with it. I'm not bothered by it's use.

Unfortunately I guess <redacted to protect the innocent>.

Okay, so you do care. Now you know how to stop it. (of course you've always known how to stop it, but as I said before I think you are more interested in fighting than anything else)


Or, I could continue to do as I please regarding BHO and you over sensitive types can stop trying to derail threads with it.

If you don't like how I post don't read my posts or respond to them... ;)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

You read his answer.. lol.. but look at how he refers to Bush

OOOPPPSSS seems you forgot to actually read my answer.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: shocksyde
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ldir
Where is the lie? Bush now supports the same sort of orderly withdrawal Obama proposed a long time ago.

Bush is not supporting BHO's "plan" like biden is claiming. Troop numbers lowering depends on ground conditions with Bush's plan. Bush has not adopted BHO's "plan"

Why do you feel the need to refer to Barack Obama as "BHO"?

For the same reason others use GWB or RP or SP. Got something to ask me about the OP?


You have something regarding the topic to ask?

Give it up. You only do it for 'BHO'. Not JRB (Joe Robinette Biden), JSM (John Sidney McCain, or SLHP (Sarah Louise Heath Palin). Just Barack HUSSEIN Obama. I can see abbreviating Bush as GWB because the only thing distinguishing him (GWB) from his father (GHWB) is their middle names. Spin it all you want with your innocent pretending but you don't have a leg to stand on and you're not fooling anyone.

As far as the OP, apparently Biden's version isn't 100% factual. What are you looking for? 'Got us'? Ok, fine. Now let's talk about McCain misrepresenting Obama's sex ed plan or health care plan or whatever. Both sides have been doing it the entire campaign. Just look at FactCheck.org. In short, your thread isn't new and it isn't news.

Wrong, I've used RP(perot), RP2(paul), and SP(palin). I've also used GWB. But even if I didn't it wouldn't change a thing because it doesn't matter what you think I do it for. I've told you morons why - you just can't accept it because it doesn't fit into your little stereotypes.

But to your statement on Biden's lie - I'm glad you addressed the topic(finally) and admitted that Biden wasn't truthful. It's a step in the right direction.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Skitzer
Seems to me like CADsortaGUY struck a nerve here. The post is legitimate and true in my opinion and all I see are people attacking him. Why can't you people stay on topic ........ ummmm, nevermind, you all obviously have nothing to counter the subject with so ...... flame on!

Exactly. They don't want to address the topic so they try to rage on and on about "BHO". Hell, I even tried to give them a place to "rage" but only certain threads are allowed here I guess. I'm still trying to figure it out but can't get any answers.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Fern

I don't understand, or agree with, the handwringing over the use of Obama's middle name.

The "hand wringing" part is over regarding Obama and this election. The luddites still supporting McCain long ago wore out the effectiveness of the tactic, except among their fellow luddites so, by itself, it's no longer an issue.

The good news for most Americans, and the bad part for that subgroup of Republicans, is that it just confirms and reinforces their image of as the bigots they are.

How does using someones middle name make them a bigot?