BFBC2 vs BF3?

[Markbnj]

I don't see why anyone would pick BC2 over BF3. It seems to have pretty much the same mechanics, smoother gameplay, better graphics, and roughly the same types/sizes of maps, choke-points included. I think of BF3 as the end result of what BC2 was the tech preview for.

Neither of them are as good as BF2, by the way.

 

[Rinaun]

Maybe because of previously mentioned things in this thread? Better gameplay, you can actually go inside almost every building, more destruction in terms of cover/buildings, and more balanced, realistic guns.

As a competitive player of the franchise, I can say that BC2 was as close as you were going to get to a decent game with EA "managing" dice. The Vietnam mod for bc2 was amazing, completely different guns/maps and was incredibly worth the amount it retailed for. Bf3.........almost every dlc so far has been terrible (B2K should of been included in regular game, close quarters turning it into MW3) and I have no faith at an armored dlc considering the biggest letdown in bf3 is vehicles.

 

[showb1z]

I think the people saying bf3 is crap and worse than bc2 must have only played it (if they did indeed play it) at release or in beta.
It has improved quite a bit since then, though still not perfect of course. I enjoyed bc2 quite a bit, but compared to bf3 it falls short in every way imo.

Every bf game has had problems in the first 6 months... This is nothing new, you shouldn't compare bf3 at release to bf2 after a couple years of patches.
And yea, if they didn't have to consider consoles it would be better, but that's just how it is now for ALL games. Nothing's gonna change that anytime soon.

 

[WiseUp216]

close quarters turning it into MW3

Have you played it?

If so, why keep playing and buying DLC for a game you dislike so much?

 

[Veliko]

Have you played it?

If so, why keep playing and buying DLC for a game you dislike so much?

The whole accusation is absurd.

There are what, four maps for the CQ expansion? Yet somehow it has turned the entire game into MW3.

 

[Sidekicknichola]

The whole accusation is absurd.

There are what, four maps for the CQ expansion? Yet somehow it has turned the entire game into MW3.

Agreed... the close quarters could be compared to MW3, I get how people could see that.... I also think two maps later when you're flying your helicopter 1000+m to capture something while two tanks roll in and a jet zooms by, I've forgotten all about MW3.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Dice ripped apart the Battlefield franchise formula with BF3. BF3 is essentially an unreleased BC3 with jets.

BF2 > BF1942 > BF2142 > BC2 > BF3.

Thank god you aren't another fanboi. I completely agree with you.

I'm utterly disgusted in what EA/DICE did to the franchise...It caters to idiots with ADHD that want to shoot guns they can never afford.

I miss wing riding in 1942 as well as the arty feature (HARD). BF2 was just downright perfect.

 

[Veliko]

Thank god you aren't another fanboi. I completely agree with you.

I'm utterly disgusted in what EA/DICE did to the franchise...It caters to idiots with ADHD that want to shoot guns they can never afford.

I miss wing riding in 1942 as well as the arty feature (HARD). BF2 was just downright perfect.

It never ceases to amaze me how deluded the intellectually insecure can be about these things.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

It never ceases to amaze me how deluded the intellectually insecure can be about these things.

Just because I like the previous games much better than the current cookie-cutter releases makes me "intellectually insecure"? How the hell does that have to do with anything related to the series? Fuck off and troll somewhere else.

 

[Barfo]

Thank god you aren't another fanboi. I completely agree with you.

Oh look! someone with the same opinion as me, we're intellectually superior to all these "fanbois".

I'm utterly disgusted in what EA/DICE did to the franchise...It caters to idiots with ADHD that want to shoot guns they can never afford.
I miss wing riding in 1942 as well as the arty feature (HARD). BF2 was just downright perfect.

Look at me, I insult people with different taste than me, and even throw in a comment about a disorder I probably don't understand and some veiled reference about how they must be poor as well.

Because you can afford all the guns and tanks in BF2, right?

Well done! You sure showed them.

 

[Veliko]

Just because I like the previous games much better than the current cookie-cutter releases makes me "intellectually insecure"? How the hell does that have to do with anything related to the series? Fuck off and troll somewhere else.

You sound mentally ill.

 

[WiseUp216]

Just because I like the previous games much better than the current cookie-cutter releases makes me "intellectually insecure"? How the hell does that have to do with anything related to the series? Fuck off and troll somewhere else.

He didn't use that phrase because you happen to like the earlier games. It probably has something to do with calling people who disagree with you "fanbois".

You can disagree with people and ask questions and state your opinions without devolving into name-calling.

Then again, this is the internet... so probably not.

 

[Raswan]

Dice ripped apart the Battlefield franchise formula with BF3. BF3 is essentially an unreleased BC3 with jets.

BF2 > BF1942 > BF2142 > BC2 > BF3.

BF1942 for the WIN!

 

[BlitzPuppet]

He didn't use that phrase because you happen to like the earlier games. It probably has something to do with calling people who disagree with you "fanbois".

You can disagree with people and ask questions and state your opinions without devolving into name-calling.

Then again, this is the internet... so probably not.

People who disagree with me about a games rating doesn't make them a fanboi. People who blindly claim how great of a game BF3 is when it's BFBC2 with a blue filter, prone, and jets. BFBC2 was fun, yes. But BF3 isn't too much different from it and just seems like a "yearly rehash" to me.

I guess only COD Fans are/can be called fanbois on this forum? My bad.

BF1942 for the WIN!

Amen, I miss old school gaming.

 

[WiseUp216]

People who disagree with me about a games rating doesn't make them a fanboi. People who blindly claim how great of a game BF3 is when it's BFBC2 with a blue filter, prone, and jets. BFBC2 was fun, yes. But BF3 isn't too much different from it and just seems like a "yearly rehash" to me.

Am I "blindly" claming that BF3 is a good game? I've put in ~125 hours since October. That has to count for something. Surely, it is enough time to formulate an opinion based on my experience with the series and other games.

I like it. Jeez. Obviously, I am a "fanboi".

Someone doesn't understand subjective vs. objective.

I guess only COD Fans are/can be called fanbois on this forum? My bad.

I've never called anyone a fanboy.

Anyone who wastes their time writing like that on an internet forum is either A) teenager or B) braindead.

Which one are you?

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Am I "blindly" claming that BF3 is a good game? I've put in ~125 hours since October. That has to count for something. Surely, it is enough time to formulate an opinion based on my experience with the series and other games.

I like it. Jeez. Obviously, I am a "fanboi".

Someone doesn't understand subjective vs. objective.




I've never called anyone a fanboy.

Anyone who wastes their time writing like that on an internet forum is either A) teenager or B) braindead.

Which one are you?

Just because I'm replying to your post explaining what I'm saying doesn't automatically (and clearly doesn't) mean I'm calling you one. It means quoting your post and replying to you how I think on the matter/specifically what you said.

Good for you if you like it, seriously. But I never once singled anyone out calling them a fanboy or called everyone that liked it a fanboy. I can further discuss this civilly in PMs if anyone's interested so the thread doesn't get de-railed further.

If anyone wants to take it personally, fine, but that's now on you.

 

[OptimumSlinky]

Some more fuel to the fire:

I loved Bad Company 2. The ability to level buildings with snipers inside, the massive, lush environments, the way the maps were slowly turned to rubble throughout the game, all of these things made the game unique and epic.

I cannot stand BF3. I had it on 360, hated the frame-rate issues, dished out for the PC, and still didn't like it. Didn't even get past the fourth or fifth campaign mission because it was so damn linear and boring. BC2's campaign wasn't exactly historic, but it at least had character, plus large missions with the freedom to destroy the environment, mount up on vics or go straight leg infantry. BF3's SP is basically corridor shooting followed by on-rail shooting. It's pathetic.

But no one buys BF games for the campaign, so I figured maybe the MP was the shizzy. Honestly, the animations, models, and little details are all awesome (the way your guy swings his legs to hurdle obstacles is just cool). But beyond that, I'm was just let down. The classes have kind of eroded (meaning they're less distinct that they were in BC2), the maps aren't particularly memorable or stellar, and there is just a huge emphasis on urban combat in non-destructible environments. Its gorgeous, but feels soulless.

In short, if you really dug the big, lush jungles and forests of BC2, the ability to level buildings down on campers, and the more team-focused class system, then skip BF3. It's newer, shinier, prettier, but it's more focused on infantry shooting and selling DLC faster than MW3. It's a good game, but it's a step down in my opinion from BC2, which was a GREAT game.

 

[Childs]

But no one buys BF games for the campaign, so I figured maybe the MP was the shizzy. Honestly, the animations, models, and little details are all awesome (the way your guy swings his legs to hurdle obstacles is just cool). But beyond that, I'm was just let down. The classes have kind of eroded (meaning they're less distinct that they were in BC2), the maps aren't particularly memorable or stellar, and there is just a huge emphasis on urban combat in non-destructible environments. Its gorgeous, but feels soulless.

In short, if you really dug the big, lush jungles and forests of BC2, the ability to level buildings down on campers, and the more team-focused class system, then skip BF3. It's newer, shinier, prettier, but it's more focused on infantry shooting and selling DLC faster than MW3. It's a good game, but it's a step down in my opinion from BC2, which was a GREAT game.

I dont agree with this at all. In BC2 the classes made no sense. Medic with a lmg? Assault with ammo? If anything it promoted individual run and gunning. The classes in BF3 force you to choose your class based on what your squad needs. Although I think in either game there isn't much teamwork in pub games.

And with B2K, you could pretty much blow up anything. One thing that ticked me off with BC2 was that a recon could sit on a hill and drop mortars on mcoms. Or a tank could do it from a distance without dealing with engineers. I don't miss that from BC2 at all. The different environments in the maps were nice in BC2, but I don't think there is anything wrong with BF3's maps, aside from the sun shining in your eyes all the time.

 

[exdeath]

I just want this worn out overplayed military sim FPS fad to die already so we can go back to making *other* types of games again.

So console gamers finally got their FPS fix, great, welcome to the party 15 years too late.

Can we get some new games for the first time in 5 years that don't have assault rifles and dog tags and BDUs and smoking cartridge cases and exploding red barrels on the box?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

The whole accusation is absurd.

There are what, four maps for the CQ expansion? Yet somehow it has turned the entire game into MW3.

You're kidding.


Here is a ranking of the maps in the Game

Unplayable
All the CQC maps - Call of Duty Clone
Operation Metro - Call of Duty Clone
Damavand Peak - Terrible Map. Call of Duty Clone. What kind of idiot actually thinks that a meatgrinder in a single tunnel is actually fun.
Grand Bazaar- Shipyard with a different name
Seine Crossing - COD Clone
Tehran Highway - Bad map overall

Caspian Border- Was promised one of the largest maps in BF history. What we got was a massive empty space of nothing with all the points in the middle 100 meters away from each other.

Wake Island - Too busy for its own good.

Somewhat Playable
Kharg Island- At least attempted to be half decent at map design.

Noshar Canal- Decent Map design.

Operation Firestorm - Only somewhat playable.

Decent
Strike at Karkand, Gulf of Oman- Decent only because they copied BF2 , but proceeded to rip out many core parts of the map.

Most of the maps in the game were made to cater to call of duty players. BF3 is a POS compared to even BC2 and doesn't deserve the title of a BF2 sequel.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I got BC2 when it launched and sunk hundreds of hours into it. I got BF3 2 months ago and I've tallied maybe 40 hours in it. I think one of my biggest problems with BF3 is the same thing that spurred me along in BC2; unlocks. It's fun to unlock new shit and feel like you're making some sort of progress. But it also sucks monstrous ass to start out with nothing against people who have spent the last 6 months unlocking every possible thing the game has to offer. Sure, I have only myself to blame for not buying the game when it was released, but I consider it a massive failing of a game that if I don't start playing within the first few weeks of release, I'm at a significant disadvantage. This, coupled with the fact that the maps don't feel as well thought out as the maps in BC2, and I can see why BF3 is thought of as a disappointment. I don't think it's a bad game by any means; I legitimately enjoy it. But it has failed to capture me the same way BC2 did.

 

[Childs]

I got BC2 when it launched and sunk hundreds of hours into it. I got BF3 2 months ago and I've tallied maybe 40 hours in it. I think one of my biggest problems with BF3 is the same thing that spurred me along in BC2; unlocks. It's fun to unlock new shit and feel like you're making some sort of progress. But it also sucks monstrous ass to start out with nothing against people who have spent the last 6 months unlocking every possible thing the game has to offer. Sure, I have only myself to blame for not buying the game when it was released, but I consider it a massive failing of a game that if I don't start playing within the first few weeks of release, I'm at a significant disadvantage. This, coupled with the fact that the maps don't feel as well thought out as the maps in BC2, and I can see why BF3 is thought of as a disappointment. I don't think it's a bad game by any means; I legitimately enjoy it. But it has failed to capture me the same way BC2 did.

One thing I will say about the unlocks is that the starting weapons are all very good. M16A3/AK-74M, M4A1/AKS-74U, M27/RPK, and the semi auto snipers can all hold their own against any gun in their class. The only non starting gun I use is the SV98, not counting all class weapons like PDWs and Shotguns.

 

[Northern Lawn]

But you have no scopes or anything that enhances their power. Another thing I don't like is, since they are made for the same sort of franchise and I assume the same company, why do they change the binding? 1 is for main gun in BC2 but it's the pistol in BF3, The knife is middle mouse in BC2 but's F in BF3. Messed me up, I just redownloaded BF3 to see if it would still crash, it didn't by the way but wanted to.

I found the mouse movement, maybe it's called mouse acceleration or lack of it, whatever but it's pretty bad in BF3 though I seemed to get shot up just fine.

ALso, I don't like that they don't allow you to bind Look behind on vehicles like I can in BC2. I like to look behind while reversing it makes keeping your tank alive so much easier.

And, the flying vehicles are MUCH harder to fly, not that that's a bad thing but what I really don't like is that they don't let you practice on empty servers. They planes and copters won't spawn on an empty server like they do in BC2.

 

[Childs]

But you have no scopes or anything that enhances their power. Another thing I don't like is, since they are made for the same sort of franchise and I assume the same company, why do they change the binding? 1 is for main gun in BC2 but it's the pistol in BF3, The knife is middle mouse in BC2 but's F in BF3. Messed me up, I just redownloaded BF3 to see if it would still crash, it didn't by the way but wanted to.

I found the mouse movement, maybe it's called mouse acceleration or lack of it, whatever but it's pretty bad in BF3 though I seemed to get shot up just fine.

ALso, I don't like that they don't allow you to bind Look behind on vehicles like I can in BC2. I like to look behind while reversing it makes keeping your tank alive so much easier.

And, the flying vehicles are MUCH harder to fly, not that that's a bad thing but what I really don't like is that they don't let you practice on empty servers. They planes and copters won't spawn on an empty server like they do in BC2.

Maybe I am more of an exception than the rule, but I only use holo, heavy barrel, and extended mags. I think all can be had for under 100 kills. I use ACOG on SV98 and straight pull. The unlocks for the most part seem useless. At its core, just like any FPS, you just run around and shoot people. All that other stuff is extra. To be honest, it doesn't seem like much thought was put into the attachments. Just the same stuff for every gun, even when it doesn't make sense.

Also, I used to practice on empty servers all the time. Maybe look for 1 player start in the servers title.

 

[Rinaun]

Am I "blindly" claming that BF3 is a good game? I've put in ~125 hours since October. That has to count for something. Surely, it is enough time to formulate an opinion based on my experience with the series and other games.

I like it. Jeez. Obviously, I am a "fanboi".

I can say that BF3 is a worse game because clearly I have way more hours than you, right? I've been playing every battlefield game (including ALL console versions & BF2142) and tested over 3 of the battlefield games in alpha. I also have probably way more hours invested into the franchise than most people do. I played it very competitively for a while. Time invested doesn't matter at all if you don't have a perspective of what the franchise is trying to accomplish.

The goal for BF3 was obviously to make a game that ran on PC and consoles. What a terrible move. BF3 is texture bumps, cutscenes for jumping and knifing and poorly done vehicles. That is the real differences between BF3 and BC2. They even carried over rush from BC series into BF3 if you didn't remember; I'd bet to keep people from going back to BC2. Another argument clueless people bring up is "BF3 HAZ BLOW UP PHYSICS". For the record, that was already in BC2. The only addition is the new Close Quarters DLC and they spent a majority of the time in this DLC over adding physics to couches IIRC. If you remember at release of BF3, the stock maps are terrible compared to the B2K maps, becausde the games original content was extremely rushed. When B2K came out, you could tell easily the detail difference. Guns have NO RECOIL in BF3 and I remember many nights of me and my competitive friends going 30-1 on the PC, saying over voip "this is way too stupidly easy". BC2 and buildings really seal the deal. almost every building you can go into in BC2. BF3? LOL have fun.