IAteYourMother
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IAteYourMother
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Well, since we're the USA, we're pretty damn used to it, even from pvssy countries like New Zealand
IAteYourMother
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You mean that this is just an internet forum with normal civilians speculating on what could've been????
NO WAYYYYY!!!
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm... maybe you guys are too young to remember Desert One/Operation Eagle Claw. That didn't go so well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
Also, shooting from a rubber dingy when surrounded by metal gunships isn't too smart either.
Also, shooting from a rubber dingy when surrounded by metal gunships isn't too smart either.
irishScott
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- Oct 10, 2006
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Actually I do (saw the History Channel special on it anyways). Note I said "wannabe". Also I meant that they'll start screaming how superior they are due to Allah's love or some sh!t and try to go out with a bang. Only, unlike the Spartans, they will kill women children in the process and utterly fail at causing any damage to the West.
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Originally posted by: fallenangel99
I hope the SAS does something. I want to hear some cool special ops mission.
If those were Israeli soldiers, Mossad, IMO the best intelligence unit in the world, would have rescued those soldiers by now.
The very nature of special ops demands secrecy about unit strengths, locations, and armaments, as well as the identity of personnel. You generally don't hear about special ops unless there was a spectacular explosion captured on tape or a spectacular failure on the part of said special ops team. That said, SAS is a force to be respected and feared.
tony blair isnt being a pussy, i havent got a clue what theyre doing down in westminster/white hall/wherever ,it seems like nothing from where im sat.
nothing will happen probably, i doubt tony will want to send more troops to the ME, he's already got a roasting for the Iraq involvement and more when he said he was bringing the lads home, but then had to send them back when other coutnries refused to fill the gaps.
i predict this go on for a while, but eventually the limelight will become disinterested in this affair and iran will have no reason to keep them hostage, unless of course they go ape ****** insane and start torturing and beheading them or something.
if that happened i think the SAS would be in, and failing that tony would be on the blower to GWB to get some "shock and Awe" fedex'd to iran.
nothing will happen probably, i doubt tony will want to send more troops to the ME, he's already got a roasting for the Iraq involvement and more when he said he was bringing the lads home, but then had to send them back when other coutnries refused to fill the gaps.
i predict this go on for a while, but eventually the limelight will become disinterested in this affair and iran will have no reason to keep them hostage, unless of course they go ape ****** insane and start torturing and beheading them or something.
if that happened i think the SAS would be in, and failing that tony would be on the blower to GWB to get some "shock and Awe" fedex'd to iran.
yeah, lol
if this was US troops it'd be over by now, you guys got the balls and a trigger happy president.
we have limp wristed blair, soldiers living in squallor, rubbish armoured vehicles (bar the challenger 2), some crusty war ships (though we are getting new ones at last!) and some subs.
having said that, big metal like that isnt really necessary...the commandos proved just what a small highly trained group of men can do in WWII, the greatest raid of all is a classic example where they destroyed the only dry dock on the atlantic coast capable of servicing the tirpizt
i think you'd have to be monumentally daft to take on america in the war game today, its not impossible just look at iraq, it isnt a roaring success....but you started that, and you handed more ass to them, than they have you. but it would still be an unwise decision.
still your way of doing things is to lock n load, charge in, egos fully pumped shouting "your ass is grass" and blowing anything that moves into smithereens....it makes for a compelling computer game for sure, but war isnt a computer game.
we've sat back, analysed the situation...lethal force will be the last call, not the first. we play smart, you play hard, fast and sometimes without thinking
SamurAchzar
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Well, I just hope that those who said Israel's response to its soldiers kidnap by Hizbullah was "not proportional" think of it in a different light now.
Iran is simply wiping the floor with Britain now. It's a f-ing joke and everybody sees it.
I doubt Blair would have the balls to do anything extreme in the very PC climate that's going on in Britain now.
People around the West have just lost all survival instincts and will for self-preservation. It's OK as long as Western country battle each other as this crap attitude is common to both sides, so it just restrains.
But when it comes to Muslim fundies like the one giving the Brits a hard time now, it's an entirely different ball game. You have to be tough. And Britain is obviously not.
What do you think will exactly happen if Britain negotiates these men out of there? Do you think it will discourage more of this stuff in the future? I can't possibly see how, apart from ignorant, pathetic, impotent politics, this situation could have materialized.
Edit: I'm just at awe at this paragraph (from the Independent article quoted here, by Gwynne Dyer):
Does she understand that these are MILITARY PERSONNEL in a conflict, that just surrendered and let be taken away?
I will bet against anyone that:
1. The boarding teams were not so far from their main vessels (the frigates)
2. The frigates KNEW the Iranian were coming - they have radars good for hundreds of miles, and there are means of communication between the boarding teams and the vessels
3. Both the US and Britain could have called for air support, to stop the Iranian ships
And from what appears in the media now, the Brits were just taken, without any resistance from either them or their frigates and navy. It's lame.
Iran is simply wiping the floor with Britain now. It's a f-ing joke and everybody sees it.
I doubt Blair would have the balls to do anything extreme in the very PC climate that's going on in Britain now.
People around the West have just lost all survival instincts and will for self-preservation. It's OK as long as Western country battle each other as this crap attitude is common to both sides, so it just restrains.
But when it comes to Muslim fundies like the one giving the Brits a hard time now, it's an entirely different ball game. You have to be tough. And Britain is obviously not.
What do you think will exactly happen if Britain negotiates these men out of there? Do you think it will discourage more of this stuff in the future? I can't possibly see how, apart from ignorant, pathetic, impotent politics, this situation could have materialized.
Edit: I'm just at awe at this paragraph (from the Independent article quoted here, by Gwynne Dyer):
Does she understand that these are MILITARY PERSONNEL in a conflict, that just surrendered and let be taken away?
I will bet against anyone that:
1. The boarding teams were not so far from their main vessels (the frigates)
2. The frigates KNEW the Iranian were coming - they have radars good for hundreds of miles, and there are means of communication between the boarding teams and the vessels
3. Both the US and Britain could have called for air support, to stop the Iranian ships
And from what appears in the media now, the Brits were just taken, without any resistance from either them or their frigates and navy. It's lame.
neutralizer
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Linflas
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If it went down exactly the way this went down then I think we would probably be doing pretty much exactly what the UK is doing now. As I understand the story though I don't think our frigate would have sat there watching when they were taken initially. From what I read (and the bottom line is that what we read and see in the media is really all most of us know about how this went down) the British frigate received no fire orders when the incident took place. Supposedly our ships have been given standing orders that they can fire in situations like that in that area.
Triumph
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I don't think you can necessarily blame Tony Blair specifically. Look at the populace. British people are different than Americans, who are different than Israelis, who are different than Iranians. The Israeli people supported the short war against Hezbollah in retaliation for the capture of Israeli troops. That is their mindset. I don't think the British people feel the same way. If the British military started blasting parts of Iran in the same way that Israel did to the Palestinians, I think you'd hear the British people screaming, "Stop!"
Israel WOULD $hit ALL OVER IRAN.
We/Britain shouldn't sit around. Last time Israel retaliated nothing happened in return.
We/Britain need to return to superpower status and give Mid-Eastern problem countries buttsekz until they give up.
We/Britain shouldn't sit around. Last time Israel retaliated nothing happened in return.
We/Britain need to return to superpower status and give Mid-Eastern problem countries buttsekz until they give up.
K1052
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- Aug 21, 2003
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The Chinese aren't a regime openly hostile to the US. The MIG pilot fscked up and hit the P3, the Chinese were really embarrassed and had to make it look like our fault to save face. The P3 was unarmed and crewed by Air Force personnel (come on, out of their planes they are as dangerous as a girl scout troop
) Everyone and everything was returned unharmed even though it took a bit to sort out.They had no designs of pushing the issue with the US and using the men as an international chess piece as Iran seems to be contemplating doing.
I wouldn't be surprised if US commanders in the area have orders on what to do if the Iranians try to grab US personnel (given their actions in the past). I highly doubt it involves sitting around with their thumb up their ass.
The British got grabbed because the Iranians don't respect them or fear the consequences.
It's not a matter of being a Navy Admiral, it's about not looking like a bitch. Think of it this way. Do you let them kidnap your soldiers and do god knows what to them and make your country look like a bunch of pussies, therefore making all the other groups out there think they can get away with the same thing because you won't do anything about it. That right there is fear. It is fear of being attacked if you stand up for yourself. America proved it doesn't take that kind of sh!t.
You can gaurandamntee that if it were American service men, the least that would have happened is that the ship would have been disabled and our men recovered. I doubt Iran would have been attacked directly but there would be a warning given to them that if they tried it again they would face dire consequences.
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