Bethesda kicks PC Skyrim fans in the n*ts

[Jules]

Will be picking up the DLC as soon as it hits steam.

 

[Sulaco]

Will be picking up the DLC as soon as it hits steam.

Really? You can say that without even knowing what the DLC will be?

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Ditto, never cared about DLC and never will......as far as i'm concerned its way too much money for too little and shoddy content.

The only thing more irrational than silly kids who purchase every single DLC for every single one of their games is the silly kids who immediately deem all DLC overpriced and shoddy before it even exists. Congrats on being an irrational fool. Also, congrats on missing out on some of the best gaming out there.

Some of the Dragon Age, Oblivion and Fallout DLC are among the best gaming I have experienced. All three of those titles also had some utter shit DLC. Judge each by its merits instead of being a petulant dickhead.

 

[Jules]

Really? You can say that without even knowing what the DLC will be?

DLC from Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas were great. Why would this be any different?

 

[Scooby Doo]

DLC from Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas were great. Why would this be any different?

The Horse Armor?!?! D:

Now the two "DLC"s Shivering Isles and Knights were more like expansions than simple dlcs, same with Fallout's ones.

 

[Sulaco]

DLC from Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas were great. Why would this be any different?

Uh, not quite. Oblivion DLC was terrible, up until KotN. Everything else was less than or no better than equal to most free mods and quests.

Now the two "DLC"s Shivering Isles and Knights were more like expansions than simple dlcs, same with Fallout's ones.

Shivering Isles was an expansion .

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Uh, not quite. Oblivion DLC was terrible, up until KotN. Everything else was less than or no better than equal to most free mods and quests.

Mehrune's Dagger was awesome. I forget if it was before or after KotN.

 

[blackened23]

The only thing more irrational than silly kids who purchase every single DLC for every single one of their games is the silly kids who immediately deem all DLC overpriced and shoddy before it even exists. Congrats on being an irrational fool. Also, congrats on missing out on some of the best gaming out there.

Some of the Dragon Age, Oblivion and Fallout DLC are among the best gaming I have experienced. All three of those titles also had some utter shit DLC. Judge each by its merits instead of being a petulant dickhead.

You mad bro? You can go ahead and waste your money since you probably have no life outside of your basement. I have better things to do than scour the internet for an hour and trying to find out if DLC is good or not, its a complete waste of my time and i'd rather move on to a different game or go out and do something on the town. All I know is most DLC sucks, all DLC i've ever tried sucks. If you like scouring the internet for DLC reviews and waste your time while being a lowlife basement dweller, more power to you, scumbag.

 

[Jules]

Uh, not quite. Oblivion DLC was terrible, up until KotN. Everything else was less than or no better than equal to most free mods and quests.

Had no problem with them and liked them.

 

[gothamhunter]

You mad bro? You can go ahead and waste your money since you probably have no life outside of your basement. I have better things to do than scour the internet for an hour and trying to find out if DLC is good or not, its a complete waste of my time and i'd rather move on to a different game or go out and do something on the town. All I know is most DLC sucks, all DLC i've ever tried sucks. If you like scouring the internet for DLC reviews and waste your time while being a lowlife basement dweller, more power to you, scumbag.

lol wth? If anyone's "you mad bro" right now it's you. I live a full life and still buy some DLC and I go out on the town *shocker*

And it's easy to tell if DLC is worth it in 2 ways - take the 10 seconds required to check metacritic reviews, and read the description of the DLC. If the DLC has the description of "armor for your horse", then pass. If the DLC has the description of "An elaborate tower made from wizards that offer 20 new unique quests, your own home, crafting stations, and displays for your items", then it's probably worth it.

A lot of DLC is very good and enhance a game greatly; others are nothing more than a cheap way to get money from consumers (SF4 costumes anybody?). I thoroughly enjoyed all of the DLC for Mass Effect 2 because they greatly enhanced the base game, and in the end cost no more than an expansion pack would have.

Seems like someone had a grumpy morning.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I brought up EA as another example of business practices I don't support.

I don't see how or what is going on with id relates to my avatar given the time frame and business employed when it was released. But thanks?

It's my opinion that, if you believe with the advent of DLC you get the same amount of game or finished product you were before hand, you are exteremely naive.

Okay, I misunderstood the EA thing.

And while I do not believe that the amount of game content per dollar has increased with the switch to the DLC business model, that doesn't mean all DLC is bad. Like I and others have said, good DLC is like an expansion pack. Did you never buy one of those? Some were worth it, some weren't.

I just don't understand why you would dismiss all DLC without even trying it. I understand there's bad DLC out there, and I think EA has some of the worst of it. You could even argue that MOST DLC is bad. But it isn't all bad.

 

[Dumac]

Some of the Dragon Age, Oblivion and Fallout DLC are among the best gaming I have experienced. All three of those titles also had some utter shit DLC. Judge each by its merits instead of being a petulant dickhead.

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No, the DLC for all those games sucked. Especially Dragon Age...

I have yet to see DLC that was worth the $$.

 

[Beev]

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No, the DLC for all those games sucked. Especially Dragon Age...

I have yet to see DLC that was worth the $$.

DA had a couple of good ones, but a few bad ones as well.

Oblivion had a rocky start with the terrible horse armor, but the DLC that added new areas was fun.

FO3 had great DLC except for Zeta imo.

ME2 had great DLC pretty much all around. Some of the best DLC I've ever played. Lair of the Shadow Broker was godly, and Arrival sets up for ME3 nicely.

Anyone who flatly refuses to get ANY DLC is depriving themselves as a gamer. That's terrible, and I feel sorry for the ones who do that. Some DLC is bullshit, and ALL day-one DLC is aggravating because it's clearly just a money grab.

Is the content done before the game has released?
Is said content already on the disc?

THEN DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TRY TO CHARGE ME FOR IT AS DAY-ONE DLC. Christ.

 

[epidemis]

If you note, the PSN also gets delayed too, so this isn't aimed specifically at the PC crowd.

No, it's aimed at the Xbox crowd *facepalm*

 

[blackened23]

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No, the DLC for all those games sucked. Especially Dragon Age...

I have yet to see DLC that was worth the $$.

Most of my hatred for DLC stems from DA:O. 9.99 for a new playable stone character? 9.99 for a single new quest that will last me 45 minutes to completion? As neat as that is, no thanks. I can buy dead space 2 for 9.99 which is a full featured game. I can buy assassins creed: brotherhood for 15 bucks. I can buy bioshock 2 for 6$. But 9.99 for a quest? Huh? 5$ for an armor reskin?

Now i'm sure there's good DLC and if it has good word of mouth i'll probably try it. (mostly for ME2 which i'm playing through now). But as a whole DLC for DA:O was far overpriced with too little content, considering the price. And most DA DLC got bad reviews from what I saw. I'm hearing good things about ME2 DLC so I might give that a chance.

 

[KaOTiK]

Most of my hatred for DLC stems from DA:O. 9.99 for a new playable stone character? 9.99 for a single new quest that will last me 45 minutes to completion? As neat as that is, no thanks. I can buy dead space 2 for 9.99 which is a full featured game. I can buy assassins creed: brotherhood for 15 bucks. I can buy bioshock 2 for 6$. But 9.99 for a quest? Huh? 5$ for an armor reskin?

Now i'm sure there's good DLC and if it has good word of mouth i'll probably try it. (mostly for ME2 which i'm playing through now). But as a whole DLC for DA:O was far overpriced with too little content, considering the price. And most DA DLC got bad reviews from what I saw. I'm hearing good things about ME2 DLC so I might give that a chance.

In your example with DA:O. If you bought the game new you got it for free regardless. But Shale was probably the best character imo in DAO too.

As for DLC. In general DLC is crappy and a ripoff. But there are exceptions as others have pointed out. Borderlands DLC was good imo, even the weakest Moxxi was still good and they did add a lot with each one and they were fairly priced, but unfortunately this is the exception and not the norm in general.

Bethesda's DLC has been improving. Oblivion was the first title to offer it and most of it was crap with one/two ok and a good one. FO3/NV both are pretty decent, though length seems to be a bit of an issue. Hopefully with Skyrim they continue the trend of getting better and not turning around and selling us dragon armor now D:

 

[thespyder]

Anyone who flatly refuses to get ANY DLC is depriving themselves as a gamer.

gotta kinda go with this one. Absolute statements like "All DLC is crap and I am not even going to look into it" is only hurting themselves. In point of fact it might be. But you don't know, nor will you ever know, if you don't at least inquire.

You could be missing out on something really good. But if your mind is closed to it, you will never know.

 

[blackened23]

In your example with DA:O. If you bought the game new you got it for free regardless. But Shale was probably the best character imo in DAO too.

As for DLC. In general DLC is crappy and a ripoff. But there are exceptions as others have pointed out. Borderlands DLC was good imo, even the weakest Moxxi was still good and they did add a lot with each one and they were fairly priced, but unfortunately this is the exception and not the norm in general.

Bethesda's DLC has been improving. Oblivion was the first title to offer it and most of it was crap with one/two ok and a good one. FO3/NV both are pretty decent, though length seems to be a bit of an issue. Hopefully with Skyrim they continue the trend of getting better and not turning around and selling us dragon armor now D:

Yeah, shale was free but you had to redeem the code at the time of install. I tried to redeem my code on the bioware community website after a few months of playing it, and apparently while the code is recognized...it won't give me a download link. Oh well whatever, I had a better time dealing with the antics of alisair/morrigan that seeing a big hunk of rock in my party.

The other issue is the length of most DLC. From what i've seen in DA:O, there was too little for the price...it feels like EA is nickel and diming you left and right, and by the time you're done you will have spent more than you would have on an expansion pack.

 

[KaOTiK]

Yeah, shale was free but you had to redeem the code at the time of install. I tried to redeem my code on the bioware community website after a few months of playing it, and apparently while the code is recognized...it won't give me a download link. Oh well whatever, I had a better time dealing with the antics of alisair/morrigan that seeing a big hunk of rock in my party.

The other issue is the length of most DLC. From what i've seen in DA:O, there was too little for the price...it feels like EA is nickel and diming you left and right, and by the time you're done you will have spent more than you would have on an expansion pack.

You didn't have to download Shale iirc, the code just unlocked so you could access it then.

EA is the worst with DLC I agree, they charge for every little thing and they charge way more then they should for stuff.

 

[RPD]

Okay, I misunderstood the EA thing.

And while I do not believe that the amount of game content per dollar has increased with the switch to the DLC business model, that doesn't mean all DLC is bad. Like I and others have said, good DLC is like an expansion pack. Did you never buy one of those? Some were worth it, some weren't.

I just don't understand why you would dismiss all DLC without even trying it. I understand there's bad DLC out there, and I think EA has some of the worst of it. You could even argue that MOST DLC is bad. But it isn't all bad.

I'd be the first to admit there are probably some good DLC's to be had (that even english?). It's more of me not wanting to support that business model (95&#37 and another of not having at lot of time to game as is thus not wanting to find a review for a given DLC (5%).

The only expansions I've purchased were for Star Craft (BW), WarCraft3 (TFT), Diablo & Diablo 2, Neverwinter Nights (1 & 2), Baldurs Gate and WoW's first expansion. All those expansions I felt were definatly worth the $30 or whatever they cost as I logged a lot of hours into all of them.

You could probably classify me as an old man gamer, but thats just my preference.

 

[Mandres]

I'd be the first to admit there are probably some good DLC's to be had (that even english?). It's more of me not wanting to support that business model (95%) and another of not having at lot of time to game as is thus not wanting to find a review for a given DLC (5%).

The only expansions I've purchased were for Star Craft (BW), WarCraft3 (TFT), Diablo & Diablo 2, Neverwinter Nights (1 & 2), Baldurs Gate and WoW's first expansion. All those expansions I felt were definatly worth the $30 or whatever they cost as I logged a lot of hours into all of them.

You could probably classify me as an old man gamer, but thats just my preference.

Same here. These days more often than not I don't have time/patience to finish even the base game unless it's really something special. As soon as it starts feeling repetitive/grindy I lose interest and move on. I've never purchased a single DLC package, and probably never will unless it's for a compelling multiplayer game that I'll be playing for a long time.

 

[Nik]

So DLC will be delayed 30 days? OHHHHH THIRTY DAYS?! OH MY GOD WHAT EVER WILL WE DO.

Who fuckin cares? How is this a kick in the nuts? Fuckin melodramatic gamers.

 

[shortylickens]

Windows version is 5 cents cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scrolls-.../dp/B0050SZ7LO

Big fat hairy deal.

 

[zinfamous]

The game already has fans and it hasn't been released yet?

I guess these aren't the same people that railed against Oblivion (the ones that love ES the most, right?)

 

[Dumac]

The game already has fans and it hasn't been released yet?

I guess these aren't the same people that railed against Oblivion (the ones that love ES the most, right?)

I "railed" against Oblivion, but I'm still cautiously optimistic towards Skyrim.