I agree, I dislike people who prostelitize, even if they share my beliefs. However, you assume that all who have religion will prostelitize, this is not true, the majority of people will not say anything about religion unless you ask them about it. Most of my family is pretty religious, and they won't say anything to me about it unless I ask them a question, then they are more than willing to answer it, but not prostletize. Also, I think that the original poster may be putting quite a bit of spin on the situation by calling them fundementalists as such I don't think it is fair to assume his friend will begin prostletizing. Finally, you are all saying "point out logically where her religion fails, that will get her!" I would like to see some points that you can prove fail? More than likely you will simply say you cannot prove the existence of God, nor that of miracles, however you cannot disprove their existence, and being that you are attempting to disuade people from religion the burden of proof is on you, hence your arguments fail.
I agree, I dislike people who prostelitize, even if they share my beliefs. However, you assume that all who have religion will prostelitize, this is not true, the majority of people will not say anything about religion unless you ask them about it. Most of my family is pretty religious, and they won't say anything to me about it unless I ask them a question, then they are more than willing to answer it, but not prostletize. Also, I think that the original poster may be putting quite a bit of spin on the situation by calling them fundementalists as such I don't think it is fair to assume his friend will begin prostletizing. Finally, you are all saying "point out logically where her religion fails, that will get her!" I would like to see some points that you can prove fail? More than likely you will simply say you cannot prove the existence of God, nor that of miracles, however you cannot disprove their existence, and being that you are attempting to disuade people from religion the burden of proof is on you, hence your arguments fail.
There are two sides to every story, and as I have stated before it is likely the OP's personal beliefs are tainting his view of the situation.
Bad assumption. I have a sneaking suspicion that the OP thinks anyone who attends church or is religious is a "fundy". That's not true.
Anybody notice that the OP snuck off?
Geekbabe
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Maybe they aren't "assumptions" but rather fears for a friend who looks like she's jumping from the frying pan right into the fire?
You live long enough you'll have more than one friend whjo gets hit with some life crisis and when they do,instead of just breathing deep and trying to roll with the free fall they start grasping at anything and everything to put them back in a comfort zone of the familar.The problem with that is that when the crap really hits the fan from their hasty choices is that their families and true friends are the ones most often left picking up the pieces.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
To get me to believe in something you have to prove it exists not that it doesn'tOriginally posted by: Red Dawn
At least according to you
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I am not trying to make you believe anything red, keep up. My scenario was aimed at those trying to disuade people from religion based on "logic" therefore they have the burden of proof, it is a simple concept. If I am trying to prove the existence of God, then I have the burden off proof.
Heh, its important that you understand I am not espousing one belief over another, or belief over non-belief, but simply the fact that it is morally wrong for the OP to try to disuade his "friend" from doing something she truly believes in and more than likely is not doing her nor anyone else harm. (I doubt her money problems are as severe as the original poster claims given the spin he put on the post.)
Geekbabe
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Everybody's looking for something that's gonna set em free and make them feel safe at the same time.. the only such thing that will do that is believe in yourself and your abilities.
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Any group that encourages you to help them when that means putting yourself fiscally at risk sounds suspect to me.Thanks but I'll keep my wallet closed and continue doing my worshipping on my pillow on Sunday mornings
amen. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
I disagree with your premise that only believing in yourself and abilities will "set you free and make you feel safe" I think that that certainly can, however so too can religion.
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Any group that encourages you to help them when that means putting yourself fiscally at risk sounds suspect to me.Thanks but I'll keep my wallet closed and continue doing my worshipping on my pillow on Sunday mornings
amen. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
And the only demoniational differences are simple.. do you believe in foam or goose down pillows ?
Geekbabe
Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Anytime in this life when my back's been up against the wall, no spirit in the sky came down and rescued me..
once the idea entered my head that *I* am my own best friend and protector, life got a lot easier and a lot more simple
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Originally posted by: dethman
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Any group that encourages you to help them when that means putting yourself fiscally at risk sounds suspect to me.Thanks but I'll keep my wallet closed and continue doing my worshipping on my pillow on Sunday mornings
amen. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
And the only demoniational differences are simple.. do you believe in foam or goose down pillows ?
I believe in the Ying and the Yang, the Tao of Balance: foam "egg-crate" base with a thin goosedown on top.
- M4H
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Anytime in this life when my back's been up against the wall, no spirit in the sky came down and rescued me..
once the idea entered my head that *I* am my own best friend and protector, life got a lot easier and a lot more simple
I used to be an atheist.
Then I realized that was stupid.
I know I'm God.
- M4H
institutionalized religion preys on people's uncertainty and doubt about themselves. i had a friend who was looking for a job for seven months, and she kept praying and praying for a new job. when she finally got one she "thanked god" for giving her a good job. i wondered why she didn't thank herself for working so hard at interviews to be able to get that job.
and when i asked her where god was during those seven months of unemployment, she of course didn't know. i don' t understand why people do not believe in themselves and their abilities, and be proud of what they worked for, instead of believing that someone gave it to them. why should they thank some invisible being instead of themselves?
and also, it is also so convenient for religious types to praise god when he does something good and , but ignore the fact that he is always missing when unfortunate things happen.
Yea, the first 3.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Most people in this thread seem to have kept there cool..well after the first few posts
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Anytime in this life when my back's been up against the wall, no spirit in the sky came down and rescued me..
once the idea entered my head that *I* am my own best friend and protector, life got a lot easier and a lot more simple
You are somewhat missing the point. Religion is not expecting God to come down from the heavens and personally save you whenever you have a problem. Religion is placing your belief in God, that he will help you do the right thing. It is a two way street.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe the original post reminded them of their own doubts.Originally posted by: RalphKramden
Yea, the first 3.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Most people in this thread seem to have kept there cool..well after the first few posts
Truth fears no inquiry red...
Red Dawn
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And niether should speculation but as you can see in the first three posts it did.Originally posted by: DaiShan
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe the original post reminded them of their own doubts.Originally posted by: RalphKramden
Yea, the first 3.Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Most people in this thread seem to have kept there cool..well after the first few posts
Truth fears no inquiry red...
Went I went to bartending school the teacher told us never EVER discuss politics or religion with the customers.
I never knew how right he was.
Don't discuss it on a BBS either.
You can throw abortion into that as well.
I never knew how right he was.
Don't discuss it on a BBS either.
You can throw abortion into that as well.
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