Besides murder and theft what one law, if abolished, would cause total havoc?

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
And you believe that legalization of drugs would create less havoc within our society?
You dont think that people who would normally be detered to use drugs because they're illegal (no this is not the only reason people choose not to use drugs) might experiment with them? And those people wouldnt then become addicted. Imagine that situation on a larger scale, a national scale. Now imagine the downfall of society because of that.

This is assuming that the legalization of drugs would entice people to experiement with them.

There are countries where drugs that are illegal in the US are legal and they aren't total chaos. How do you explain that?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: gwlam12
It's pretty sad to think that abolishing murder and theft would cause total havoc. Does that mean that everyone here wants to murder and steal, but doesn't because it's against the law? I think if traffic laws were abolished, there would be total havoc.

You were doing good there, but then you countered your own logic.

 

[Cookie]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Cookie

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

So what is your stance on drug legalization? I've stated my opinion, whats yours? You condone drug use? You wouldnt care if drugs were legalized?

Seriously, all of you are attacking me and twisting my words but none of you are stating your own opinions....?

The popular opinion here is that drugs should be legalized? It seems as though you all are arguing with me about that while defending drugs.

I didn't mean to twist your words, I was being slightly sarcastic.

But as for your other questions, I don't condone drugs use, but I think the illegalization of drugs does nothing but put money in the pockets of drug lords and dealers, create crime, create drug abuse and cause havoc with society.

And you believe that legalization of drugs would create less havoc within our society?
You dont think that people who would normally be detered to use drugs because they're illegal (no this is not the only reason people choose not to use drugs) might experiment with them? And those people wouldnt then become addicted. Imagine that situation on a larger scale, a national scale. Now imagine the downfall of society because of that.

This is assuming that the legalization of drugs would entice people to experiement with them.

I guess that is where we differ in opinion then. I think making drugs illegal makes it MORE likely people will experiment with them. I think it makes it more likely they will become addicted. Not less.

 

[DougK62]

Drugs? You people can't be serious...

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
And you believe that legalization of drugs would create less havoc within our society?
You dont think that people who would normally be detered to use drugs because they're illegal (no this is not the only reason people choose not to use drugs) might experiment with them? And those people wouldnt then become addicted. Imagine that situation on a larger scale, a national scale. Now imagine the downfall of society because of that.

This is assuming that the legalization of drugs would entice people to experiement with them.

There are countries where drugs that are illegal in the US are legal and they aren't total chaos. How do you explain that?

Maybe those countries don't have a drug problem to start off with. Apparently there is one here hence all the laws and enforcement needed.

 

[Cookie]

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
And you believe that legalization of drugs would create less havoc within our society?
You dont think that people who would normally be detered to use drugs because they're illegal (no this is not the only reason people choose not to use drugs) might experiment with them? And those people wouldnt then become addicted. Imagine that situation on a larger scale, a national scale. Now imagine the downfall of society because of that.

This is assuming that the legalization of drugs would entice people to experiement with them.

There are countries where drugs that are illegal in the US are legal and they aren't total chaos. How do you explain that?

Maybe those countries don't have a drug problem to start off with. Apparently there is one here hence all the laws and enforcement needed.

Go read a book.

 

[saymyname]

I feel like some people here have no clue about reality.

You guys spend your whole lives playing World of Warcraft or something?

 

[jdini76]

I thought of one. DWI Driving while intoxicated. Most people don't do it in fear of getting caught.

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: jdini76
I thought of one. DWI Driving while intoxicated. Most people don't do it in fear of getting caught.

For a loooooong time it wasn't a big deal and the world didn't stop turning.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont understand, all of you actually condone the legalization of drugs?

Do you really know anyone who doesn't do drugs simply because they are illegal and for no other reason? No, you don't.

As for the drug-laws-prevent-people-from-inadverdently-becoming-addicted claim, I got a shocker for you. Alcohol and tobacco are both more addictive and and more harmful than any illegal drug out there. I have a drug counselor friend who says the only difference between alcohol and ANY illegal drug out there is the "2 L's": liquid and legal.

Again, you either have poor comprehension skills or you completely missed what I was saying. I did not say that the legality of drugs is the sole reason people do not use drugs.

 

[jtvang125]

Originally posted by: Cookie

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
And you believe that legalization of drugs would create less havoc within our society?
You dont think that people who would normally be detered to use drugs because they're illegal (no this is not the only reason people choose not to use drugs) might experiment with them? And those people wouldnt then become addicted. Imagine that situation on a larger scale, a national scale. Now imagine the downfall of society because of that.

This is assuming that the legalization of drugs would entice people to experiement with them.

There are countries where drugs that are illegal in the US are legal and they aren't total chaos. How do you explain that?

Maybe those countries don't have a drug problem to start off with. Apparently there is one here hence all the laws and enforcement needed.

Go read a book.

Well he didn't mention any particular country or countries. I'm sure those types of countries exist but it's not common knowledge to know which ones. Not everyone wants to read up on books about drug use in other countries.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: MixMasterTang

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I think legalizing illegal drugs would start causing the most chaos. What do you guys say?

Why?

Could you imagine living in a world with druggies everywhere? At least now that it's illegal, they keep to themselves for the most part and they do it within privacy because it is illegal and they do not want to get caught. I certainly don't want to live in a society where people are drugged up and high can roam freely without consequence.

Legalizing drugs does not make tresspassing, driving under the influence, public intoxication, public disorder, etc. legal as well so I don't see how this will enable them to "roam freely without consequence" any more than they could already do now. You aren't allowed to just walk around drinking beer now and causing a ruckus even though alcohol is legal.

Drugs are extremely addictive. If they are to be made legal, people are more prone to try them out. They may only intend to try it out and experience it once, but they might then find themselves addicted. The laws against drugs deter people from trying them out. Look at alcohol; how many professionals go drinking at happy hour after work.....plenty. Alcohol isnt nearly as addictive as drugs, so casual drinkers arent likely to become alcoholics. If alcohol were to be made illegal, the general public, those that abide by laws would not want to take the chances and break the law. The law deters those from participating in such activities. If drugs were to be made legal, casual drug users would soon become addicts and many lives would be wasted.

It's like you attempted logical reasoning without any thought whatsoever in what you are saying.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: MixMasterTang

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I think legalizing illegal drugs would start causing the most chaos. What do you guys say?

Why?

Could you imagine living in a world with druggies everywhere? At least now that it's illegal, they keep to themselves for the most part and they do it within privacy because it is illegal and they do not want to get caught. I certainly don't want to live in a society where people are drugged up and high can roam freely without consequence.

Legalizing drugs does not make tresspassing, driving under the influence, public intoxication, public disorder, etc. legal as well so I don't see how this will enable them to "roam freely without consequence" any more than they could already do now. You aren't allowed to just walk around drinking beer now and causing a ruckus even though alcohol is legal.

Drugs are extremely addictive. If they are to be made legal, people are more prone to try them out. They may only intend to try it out and experience it once, but they might then find themselves addicted. The laws against drugs deter people from trying them out. Look at alcohol; how many professionals go drinking at happy hour after work.....plenty. Alcohol isnt nearly as addictive as drugs, so casual drinkers arent likely to become alcoholics. If alcohol were to be made illegal, the general public, those that abide by laws would not want to take the chances and break the law. The law deters those from participating in such activities. If drugs were to be made legal, casual drug users would soon become addicts and many lives would be wasted.

It's like you attempted logical reasoning without any thought whatsoever in what you are saying.

What dont you understand?

And where do you stand?

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: jdini76
I thought of one. DWI Driving while intoxicated. Most people don't do it in fear of getting caught.

For a loooooong time it wasn't a big deal and the world didn't stop turning.

That's true but there's more cars now then ever. And there's only going to be more vehicles. My dad has actually mentioned this topic, about how more people did it back in the day but that there was much less traffic.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: jtvang125
Maybe those countries don't have a drug problem to start off with. Apparently there is one here hence all the laws and enforcement needed.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :laugh:
*sigh*


BWAHAHAHA!!!


*sigh* thanks i needed that today.

 

[Cookie]

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: Cookie

Originally posted by: jtvang125

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
And you believe that legalization of drugs would create less havoc within our society?
You dont think that people who would normally be detered to use drugs because they're illegal (no this is not the only reason people choose not to use drugs) might experiment with them? And those people wouldnt then become addicted. Imagine that situation on a larger scale, a national scale. Now imagine the downfall of society because of that.

This is assuming that the legalization of drugs would entice people to experiement with them.

There are countries where drugs that are illegal in the US are legal and they aren't total chaos. How do you explain that?

Maybe those countries don't have a drug problem to start off with. Apparently there is one here hence all the laws and enforcement needed.

Go read a book.

Well he didn't mention any particular country or countries. I'm sure those types of countries exist but it's not common knowledge to know which ones. Not everyone wants to read up on books about drug use in other countries.

I was refering to the obvious lack of knowledge on the subject in general, not the lack of knowledge pertaining to specific countries. Also, maybe a lesson in logic might help.

I don't intend this in a mean way, I just think a little education on the subject might help.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: jtvang125
I think legalizing illegal drugs would start causing the most chaos. What do you guys say?

Sure pal anything you say.

 

[Cookie]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: jtvang125
Maybe those countries don't have a drug problem to start off with. Apparently there is one here hence all the laws and enforcement needed.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :laugh:
*sigh*


BWAHAHAHA!!!


*sigh* thanks i needed that today.

I agree

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont understand, all of you actually condone the legalization of drugs?

Do you really know anyone who doesn't do drugs simply because they are illegal and for no other reason? No, you don't.

As for the drug-laws-prevent-people-from-inadverdently-becoming-addicted claim, I got a shocker for you. Alcohol and tobacco are both more addictive and and more harmful than any illegal drug out there. I have a drug counselor friend who says the only difference between alcohol and ANY illegal drug out there is the "2 L's": liquid and legal.

Again, you either have poor comprehension skills or you completely missed what I was saying. I did not say that the legality of drugs is the sole reason people do not use drugs.

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Drugs are extremely addictive. If they are to be made legal, people are more prone to try them out. They may only intend to try it out and experience it once, but they might then find themselves addicted. The laws against drugs deter people from trying them out. Look at alcohol; how many professionals go drinking at happy hour after work.....plenty. Alcohol isnt nearly as addictive as drugs, so casual drinkers arent likely to become alcoholics. If alcohol were to be made illegal, the general public, those that abide by laws would not want to take the chances and break the law. The law deters those from participating in such activities. If drugs were to be made legal, casual drug users would soon become addicts and many lives would be wasted.

Besides the fact that this post contains several outright falsehoods (alcohol is just as addictive as any illegal drug), where did I demonstrate poor comprehension skills or miss what you were saying?

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
I dont understand, all of you actually condone the legalization of drugs?

Do you really know anyone who doesn't do drugs simply because they are illegal and for no other reason? No, you don't.

As for the drug-laws-prevent-people-from-inadverdently-becoming-addicted claim, I got a shocker for you. Alcohol and tobacco are both more addictive and and more harmful than any illegal drug out there. I have a drug counselor friend who says the only difference between alcohol and ANY illegal drug out there is the "2 L's": liquid and legal.

Again, you either have poor comprehension skills or you completely missed what I was saying. I did not say that the legality of drugs is the sole reason people do not use drugs.

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Drugs are extremely addictive. If they are to be made legal, people are more prone to try them out. They may only intend to try it out and experience it once, but they might then find themselves addicted. The laws against drugs deter people from trying them out. Look at alcohol; how many professionals go drinking at happy hour after work.....plenty. Alcohol isnt nearly as addictive as drugs, so casual drinkers arent likely to become alcoholics. If alcohol were to be made illegal, the general public, those that abide by laws would not want to take the chances and break the law. The law deters those from participating in such activities. If drugs were to be made legal, casual drug users would soon become addicts and many lives would be wasted.

Besides the fact that this post contains several outright falsehoods (alcohol is just as addictive as any illegal drug), where did I demonstrate poor comprehension skills or miss what you were saying?

That particular part of my quote would lead you to believe that I felt that was the only reason why people didnt consume drugs. But did you read any of my earlier/later comments? I thought I stated that there were more reasons why people choose not to use drugs, and that was only one reason.

You say that alcohol is as addictive as any illegal drug. That might be the case, however if someone were to go out to happy hour once a week, I dont think it would go any further than that and it probably wouldnt lead to an addiction. However, if that same person decided to shoot up heroin once a week or do meth after work once a week, I would bet that person would have a deadly addiction soon enough, and eventually consume the drug more frequently. I hope that makes sense.

My argument was that the legality of drugs is one (of many) deterrents from using them. With the legalization of drugs, Id think that some people might be willing to try them out as oppose to them being illegal.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

You say that alcohol is as addictive as any illegal drug. That might be the case, however if someone were to go out to happy hour once a week, I dont think it would go any further than that and it probably wouldnt lead to an addiction. However, if that same person decided to shoot up heroin once a week or do meth after work once a week, I would bet that person would have a deadly addiction soon enough, and eventually consume the drug more frequently. I hope that makes sense.

No reasonable person is going to base their decision on whether they are going to use heroin or not based on it being legal or illegal.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: MixMasterTang

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

You say that alcohol is as addictive as any illegal drug. That might be the case, however if someone were to go out to happy hour once a week, I dont think it would go any further than that and it probably wouldnt lead to an addiction. However, if that same person decided to shoot up heroin once a week or do meth after work once a week, I would bet that person would have a deadly addiction soon enough, and eventually consume the drug more frequently. I hope that makes sense.

No reasonable person is going to base their decision on whether they are going to use heroin or not based on it being legal or illegal.

You cant assume that. There are many things reasonable people decide to do regardless of the harmful effects they may have on that person.

It would be nice if what you say were to be the case, but I disagree.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
That particular part of my quote would lead you to believe that I felt that was the only reason why people didnt consume drugs. But did you read any of my earlier/later comments? I thought I stated that there were more reasons why people choose not to use drugs, and that was only one reason.

You say that alcohol is as addictive as any illegal drug. That might be the case, however if someone were to go out to happy hour once a week, I dont think it would go any further than that and it probably wouldnt lead to an addiction. However, if that same person decided to shoot up heroin once a week or do meth after work once a week, I would bet that person would have a deadly addiction soon enough, and eventually consume the drug more frequently. I hope that makes sense.

My argument was that the legality of drugs is one (of many) deterrents from using them. With the legalization of drugs, Id think that some people might be willing to try them out as oppose to them being illegal.

Dosage is everything. If a person were to get roaring drunk at happy hour every week (instead of maybe just a couple of drinks, as is usual), they would be just as likely to develop a serious alcohol addiction as if it were meth or heroin, and to eventually consume more frequently. So no, you don't make sense, because what you are saying is untrue -- simply an opinion of "alcohol good, drugs bad" based on prejudice you most likely picked up from propaganda. Think about what you said. Addiction has little to do with frequency. A person who gets drunk once a week can be just as addicted as a person who abuses more frequently.

And you know the REAL reason why most people don't abuse drugs (including alcohol and tobacco)? Because they all have negative health-related side effects. Most people don't drink to excess very often because they don't like the hangover. Most illegal drugs are similar. You might get high, but afterwards you feel like hell (the meth "hangover," or "comedown" as they are usually called with drugs I believe, is absolutely brutal I have been told). And look at what happens to health of addicts, from meth to heroin to alcohol to tobacco, after long-term abuse! The law has very little to do with that, and actually makes it worse by increasing the cost to addicts (and thus their burden on society) and making it more difficult for them to seek rehabilitation.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: krunchykrome
That particular part of my quote would lead you to believe that I felt that was the only reason why people didnt consume drugs. But did you read any of my earlier/later comments? I thought I stated that there were more reasons why people choose not to use drugs, and that was only one reason.

You say that alcohol is as addictive as any illegal drug. That might be the case, however if someone were to go out to happy hour once a week, I dont think it would go any further than that and it probably wouldnt lead to an addiction. However, if that same person decided to shoot up heroin once a week or do meth after work once a week, I would bet that person would have a deadly addiction soon enough, and eventually consume the drug more frequently. I hope that makes sense.

My argument was that the legality of drugs is one (of many) deterrents from using them. With the legalization of drugs, Id think that some people might be willing to try them out as oppose to them being illegal.

Dosage is everything. If a person were to get roaring drunk at happy hour every week (instead of maybe just a couple of drinks, as is usual), they would be just as likely to develop a serious alcohol addiction as if it were meth or heroin, and to eventually consume more frequently. So no, you don't make sense, because what you are saying is untrue -- simply an opinion of "alcohol good, drugs bad" based on prejudice you most likely picked up from propaganda. Think about what you said. Addiction has little to do with frequency. A person who gets drunk once a week can be just as addicted as a person who abuses more frequently.

And you know the REAL reason why most people don't abuse drugs (including alcohol and tobacco)? Because they all have negative health-related side effects. Most people don't drink to excess very often because they don't like the hangover. Most illegal drugs are similar. You might get high, but afterwards you feel like hell (the meth "hangover," or "comedown" as they are usually called with drugs I believe, is absolutely brutal I have been told). And look at what happens to health of addicts, from meth to heroin to alcohol to tobacco, after long-term abuse! The law has very little to do with that, and actually makes it worse by increasing the cost to addicts (and thus their burden on society) and making it more difficult for them to seek rehabilitation.

I dont agree with you. We can dance all night, but I find your opinion as ridiculous as you find mine regarding that first paragraph you wrote.

The second paragraph you wrote is again completely misunderstanding what Im saying which leads me to believe again that you lack comprehension skills.

 

[jimmyjam]

How about immigration laws? This county would be completely chaotic if we just opened up our borders.