Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

[MongGrel]

He never should have left his post to begin with, he actually got people killed by doing that.

It's all BS.

Just my two cents.

But I'm a Liberal.

J/K

 

[Jhhnn]

He never should have left his post to begin with.

It's all BS.

Just my two cents.

Nobody is arguing to the contrary.

At this point, the usual ravers just want to forget all about the lies they believed & promulgated when this was a hot issue rather than admitting they were wrong to do so.

Chumped again & unwilling to owe up to it is the essence of what passes for critical thinking on the right wing.

 

[ivwshane]

He never should have left his post to begin with, he actually got people killed by doing that.

It's all BS.

Just my two cents.

But I'm a Liberal.

J/K

More lies.

But Dahl noted that no soldiers died searching for Bergdahl and said he did “not believe there is a jail sentence at the end of this process” for the sergeant, calling it “inappropriate.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bowe-bergdahl-deseration-hearing20150918-story.html

Why is it always the dumb liberals that fall for lies, misdirection, half truths, and propaganda? /s

 

[MongGrel]

Nobody is arguing to the contrary.

At this point, the usual ravers just want to forget all about the lies they believed & promulgated when this was a hot issue rather than admitting they were wrong to do so.

Chumped again & unwilling to owe up to it is the essence of what passes for critical thinking on the right wing.

More lies.



http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-bowe-bergdahl-deseration-hearing20150918-story.html

Why is it always the dumb liberals that fall for lies, misdirection, half truths, and propaganda? /s

Heh, he is.

Go figure.

 

[Nebor]

Time for an update!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/bowe-bergdahl-decision/

Dahl has no authority in the case. He was the investigating officer. The officer(s) sitting the Article 32 panel will render their recommendation to the FORSCOM commander, and he'll decide whether to proceed with a court martial or not. Literally everything involved here is just a recommendation to the FORSCOM commander, he could ignore it all if he wanted to, as we've seen with Air Force commanders dismissing rape charges and vacating convictions.

 

[Vic]

Stupid political stunt.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dahl has no authority in the case. He was the investigating officer. The officer(s) sitting the Article 32 panel will render their recommendation to the FORSCOM commander, and he'll decide whether to proceed with a court martial or not. Literally everything involved here is just a recommendation to the FORSCOM commander, he could ignore it all if he wanted to, as we've seen with Air Force commanders dismissing rape charges and vacating convictions.

So what? Given the nature of the case, the actual evidence & the findings of the investigation it is extremely unlikely that Bergdahl will receive more than dishonorable discharge, something that the non-ravers recognized very early on.

The whole flap was merely an exercise in Obama hate using Bergdahl as a pawn.

 

[Nebor]

So what? Given the nature of the case, the actual evidence & the findings of the investigation it is extremely unlikely that Bergdahl will receive more than dishonorable discharge, something that the non-ravers recognized very early on.

The whole flap was merely an exercise in Obama hate using Bergdahl as a pawn.

I disagree. He should be brought to court martial and be judged by a panel of officers (and one third enlisted if he chooses.)

 

[ivwshane]

Dahl has no authority in the case. He was the investigating officer. The officer(s) sitting the Article 32 panel will render their recommendation to the FORSCOM commander, and he'll decide whether to proceed with a court martial or not. Literally everything involved here is just a recommendation to the FORSCOM commander, he could ignore it all if he wanted to, as we've seen with Air Force commanders dismissing rape charges and vacating convictions.

My post was more about the accusations thrown around in this thread and the others that were created at the time. The point being that no evidence was found to show bergdahl was a terrorist sympathizer, nor did his capture lead to any deaths, and the investigation shows that he didn't desert, he left to go to another base to make a complaint and was captured along the way.

So basically everything the right wing nuts stated with authority, was literally wrong.

 

[MongGrel]

My post was more about the accusations thrown around in this thread and the others that were created at the time. The point being that no evidence was found to show bergdahl was a terrorist sympathizer, nor did his capture lead to any deaths, and the investigation shows that he didn't desert, he left to go to another base to make a complaint and was captured along the way.

So basically everything the right wing nuts stated with authority, was literally wrong.

He should have never left his post to begin with, is the point.

I imagine from things I've seen many of the other points Dahl tries to make are wrong also.

 

[ivwshane]

He should have never left his post to begin with, is the point.

I imagine from things I've seen many of the other points Dahl tries to make are wrong also.

So issues he saw at his camp that could have put himself and his comrades in harms way should have been kept to himself and ignored?

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Vic]

He should have never left his post to begin with, is the point.

I imagine from things I've seen many of the other points Dahl tries to make are wrong also.

It appears that he didn't do anything treasonous, in which case 5 years as a POW seems like a more than adequate punishment for being AWOL.

 

[Nebor]

My post was more about the accusations thrown around in this thread and the others that were created at the time. The point being that no evidence was found to show bergdahl was a terrorist sympathizer, nor did his capture lead to any deaths, and the investigation shows that he didn't desert, he left to go to another base to make a complaint and was captured along the way.

So basically everything the right wing nuts stated with authority, was literally wrong.

If you read the testimony of his platoon leader at the time, you'd see that the entire platoon was scheduled to rotate out of their combat outpost and back to FOB Sharana (where Bergdahl claims he was walking to) the day after Bergdahl walked off. So he didn't walk off as his only means of contacting higher, he walked off to make a statement.

 

[ivwshane]

If you read the testimony of his platoon leader at the time, you'd see that the entire platoon was scheduled to rotate out of their combat outpost and back to FOB Sharana (where Bergdahl claims he was walking to) the day after Bergdahl walked off. So he didn't walk off as his only means of contacting higher, he walked off to make a statement.

No, he walked to the other base to make a statement and to give himself a better chance of being listened to. That's the most recent finding according to the investigator. Was it his only option? Hindsight is 20/20 and no one is claiming the decision was a good one (obviously it wasn't).

That really doesn't change the point does it? No one died as was claimed. He didn't seek out the Taliban as was claimed. He wasn't deserting (as in leaving the military) as was claimed.

 

[Nebor]

No, he walked to the other base to make a statement and to give himself a better chance of being listened to. That's the most recent finding according to the investigator. Was it his only option? Hindsight is 20/20 and no one is claiming the decision was a good one (obviously it wasn't).

That really doesn't change the point does it? No one died as was claimed. He didn't seek out the Taliban as was claimed. He wasn't deserting (as in leaving the military) as was claimed.

If he had legitimate problems with his unit, there are many, many ways to elevate those issues that don't involve deserting your post and setting into motion the largest manhunt the world has ever seen. He was a higher intelligence priority than Bin Laden during the time he was missing. Millions upon millions of dollars were spent searching for him.

And most importantly, the message needs to be sent that his behavior was unacceptable. 5-10 years in Leavenworth should do it.

 

[ivwshane]

If he had legitimate problems with his unit, there are many, many ways to elevate those issues that don't involve deserting your post and setting into motion the largest manhunt the world has ever seen. He was a higher intelligence priority than Bin Laden during the time he was missing. Millions upon millions of dollars were spent searching for him.

And most importantly, the message needs to be sent that his behavior was unacceptable. 5-10 years in Leavenworth should do it.

That's great! I'm sure your opinion is valued by someone

Now if you want to address the point I was making feel free to otherwise your point is immaterial to mine.

 

[rudder]

No, he walked to the other base to make a statement and to give himself a better chance of being listened to. That's the most recent finding according to the investigator. Was it his only option? Hindsight is 20/20 and no one is claiming the decision was a good one (obviously it wasn't).

That really doesn't change the point does it? No one died as was claimed. He didn't seek out the Taliban as was claimed. He wasn't deserting (as in leaving the military) as was claimed.

Did that statement he wanted to make include stopping off and smoking hashish? And you really believe that rather than wait a day to rotate out of the unit's forward observation post, Bergdahl would try to walk 19 miles though an area with a large number of know hostiles?

I wouldn't surprise at all if we found out that Valerie Jarret was paying for Bergdahls civilian legal team.

 

[Cozarkian]

That really doesn't change the point does it? No one died as was claimed. He didn't seek out the Taliban as was claimed. He wasn't deserting (as in leaving the military) as was claimed.

I agree there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to prove those claims, but it is overstating to state those claims are absolutely false based on Bergdahl's alibi, which was given to an investigator and not by Bergdahl's while under oath at the hearing.

Regardless, more incarceration after being tortured for years seems excessive. I would like to see him stripped of promotions earned while a POW, because I don't think we should reward him for misconduct that endangered lives.

 

[Jhhnn]

If he had legitimate problems with his unit, there are many, many ways to elevate those issues that don't involve deserting your post and setting into motion the largest manhunt the world has ever seen. He was a higher intelligence priority than Bin Laden during the time he was missing. Millions upon millions of dollars were spent searching for him.

And most importantly, the message needs to be sent that his behavior was unacceptable. 5-10 years in Leavenworth should do it.

Exaggerate often? I'm sure they're looking a lot harder to find El Chapo than they ever did for Bergdahl.

The rest? Had he been apprehended before his capture then some time in the stockade would have been appropriate. As it is, he spent 5 years under conditions that would make Leavenworth feel comfy. I figure and the Army probably figures that's punishment enough.

 

[Jhhnn]

Did that statement he wanted to make include stopping off and smoking hashish? And you really believe that rather than wait a day to rotate out of the unit's forward observation post, Bergdahl would try to walk 19 miles though an area with a large number of know hostiles?

I wouldn't surprise at all if we found out that Valerie Jarret was paying for Bergdahls civilian legal team.

The hashish reference is entirely scurrilous, standard right wing shit flinging. You discredit yourself from the outset.

Bergdahl obviously wasn't rational at the time and he may not have known about the alleged pending rotation. It doesn't always happen that way, anyhow. It's the Army, fer crissakes.

 

[cabri]

The hashish reference is entirely scurrilous, standard right wing shit flinging. You discredit yourself from the outset.

Bergdahl obviously wasn't rational at the time and he may not have known about the alleged pending rotation. It doesn't always happen that way, anyhow. It's the Army, fer crissakes.

Troops are not rotated on a whim nor via a snap of fingers.
There are plenty of logistical processes required by both the incoming and outgoing units.

When talking to the investigators; he would generate a story according to his best perceived interests; he knew he was in trouble.
That story has not been cross analyzed.

It will be up to the Army to decide to follow through with a Courts Martial to properly evaluate his story

 

[Jhhnn]

I agree there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to prove those claims, but it is overstating to state those claims are absolutely false based on Bergdahl's alibi, which was given to an investigator and not by Bergdahl's while under oath at the hearing.

Regardless, more incarceration after being tortured for years seems excessive. I would like to see him stripped of promotions earned while a POW, because I don't think we should reward him for misconduct that endangered lives.

The burden of proof always lies with the accuser. Well, other than in the realm of right-wing-o-sphere opinion. It's the mentality of a lynch mob.

 

[Jhhnn]

Troops are not rotated on a whim nor via a snap of fingers.
There are plenty of logistical processes required by both the incoming and outgoing units.

When talking to the investigators; he would generate a story according to his best perceived interests; he knew he was in trouble.
That story has not been cross analyzed.

It will be up to the Army to decide to follow through with a Courts Martial to properly evaluate his story

Please. It's one thing to accelerate a rotation, entirely another to delay it. The Army does whatever they want whenever they feel like it.

His story? Why believe it's anything other than the truth, given the utter lack of evidence to the contrary? Conspiracy theory mindset, or what?

 

[Nebor]

That's great! I'm sure your opinion is valued by someone

Now if you want to address the point I was making feel free to otherwise your point is immaterial to mine.

The irony being that I just left Fort Sam Houston (where the Article 32 and potential court martial would take place) 3 months ago. Court martial panels are assembled by randomly selecting officers from a master list of all officers of a certain grade assigned to an installation.

 

[Nebor]

Exaggerate often? I'm sure they're looking a lot harder to find El Chapo than they ever did for Bergdahl.

The rest? Had he been apprehended before his capture then some time in the stockade would have been appropriate. As it is, he spent 5 years under conditions that would make Leavenworth feel comfy. I figure and the Army probably figures that's punishment enough.

I'm not exaggerating at all. Once Bergdahls fate is decided we'll start to see some books from people in the intelligence community. I don't think you understand what happens when an American servicemember goes missing in a warzone. Everything else stops. The CIA, NSA, & DIA all swing their resources to concentrate on recovery. Literally every computer in the country had rotating background pictures of him, reminding everyone to be on the lookout for our missing soldier. Granted, after he was gone for such a long time, some things went back to business as usual, but I know for a fact that recovering Bergdahl was higher on the priority list than capturing\killing OBL.