Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

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schmuckley

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Information released by whom, exactly? And how much of it is pushing conspiracy theory at the same time? Bergdahl's former sergeant sure is.

It's remarkable how all this "information" about Bergdahl came out only after he'd been released. It's like the Army didn't tell anybody the whole story beforehand, people left in the dark possibly including the State Dept. & the White House. That would explain a lot, if true.


You dare show your face in here? you have some cojones,I'll give you that.As does Victorian Gray..and ivwshane..losers.

Well, yeh, but it's what they want to believe, so Charge! Into the breach bearing the flag of Glenbeckistan!

When the Army makes an official statement, I'll believe 'em.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2396417


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/26/us-usa-defense-bergdahl-charges-idUSKBN0ML29420150326

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/politics/bowe-bergdahl-charges-decision/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/bowe-bergdahl-charged-desertion-lawyer/story?id=29901602

It's on everything..

Oh but "you don't know what happened"
I hope this truly exposes the way you douches operate.
The word for it is: "Astroturfing"
 
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ivwshane

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Lol!

More rage please!

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You dare show your face in here? you have some cojones,I'll give you that.As does Victorian Gray..and ivwshane..losers.



http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2396417


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/26/us-usa-defense-bergdahl-charges-idUSKBN0ML29420150326

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/25/politics/bowe-bergdahl-charges-decision/

http://abcnews.go.com/International/bowe-bergdahl-charged-desertion-lawyer/story?id=29901602

It's on everything..

Oh but "you don't know what happened"
I hope this truly exposes the way you douches operate.
The word for it is: "Astroturfing"
 

Subyman

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I find it sad that the very people that are so gungho about sending kids that are 18 years old into another country to wage war are the very ones that wish to exact the harshest punishment upon that same kid for being scared and making poor choices when they get there.

Some kids can take it, some can't. He made a poor choice and paid dearly for it. Others paid dearly for it as well. Enough tragedy has come from this story. Putting this boy in prison for life won't help prevent those other kids that find themselves scared on the battlefield. Newer policies, better counseling within the military, and better filtering of soldiers that may not be able to take the pressure should come from this, not more ruined lives.
 

OBLAMA2009

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I find it sad that the very people that are so gungho about sending kids that are 18 years old into another country to wage war are the very ones that wish to exact the harshest punishment upon that same kid for being scared and making poor choices when they get there.

Some kids can take it, some can't. He made a poor choice and paid dearly for it. Others paid dearly for it as well. Enough tragedy has come from this story. Putting this boy in prison for life won't help prevent those other kids that find themselves scared on the battlefield. Newer policies, better counseling within the military, and better filtering of soldiers that may not be able to take the pressure should come from this, not more ruined lives.

hes morally a better man than all those who stayed and kept firing guns and dropping bombs for the bush war machine
 

Nebor

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I find it sad that the very people that are so gungho about sending kids that are 18 years old into another country to wage war are the very ones that wish to exact the harshest punishment upon that same kid for being scared and making poor choices when they get there.

Some kids can take it, some can't. He made a poor choice and paid dearly for it. Others paid dearly for it as well. Enough tragedy has come from this story. Putting this boy in prison for life won't help prevent those other kids that find themselves scared on the battlefield. Newer policies, better counseling within the military, and better filtering of soldiers that may not be able to take the pressure should come from this, not more ruined lives.

I disagree entirely. Out of the millions of service members who have done tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he is the only one to walk off a base and into the arms of the enemy. This isn't a problem with the system, it's a problem with this one soldier.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I disagree entirely. Out of the millions of service members who have done tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he is the only one to walk off a base and into the arms of the enemy. This isn't a problem with the system, it's a problem with this one soldier.

Agree, my daughter served a 12 month tour in Afghanistan and she never felt the urge to wonder off base.
 

theeedude

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He's been:
-brought home, like he should have been
-charged, like he should have been
Seems to me like the system is working.

As far as the 5 crazy Talibans, they are a drop in a bucket and Afghanistan's, not America's problem.
 

Subyman

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I disagree entirely. Out of the millions of service members who have done tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he is the only one to walk off a base and into the arms of the enemy. This isn't a problem with the system, it's a problem with this one soldier.

Over 2000 soldiers per year desert the army. I wouldn't call it systemic, but the fact is some people can't take what they signed up for. This kid felt so trapped that he decided to walk out into the desert.

I'm certainly not saying he was in the right, but perhaps those few that can't take the pressure should have a way to be removed safely before they feel the need to endanger their fellow soldiers.

If, in fact, it comes out that he tried to help the terrorists, then all bets are off IMO. He deserves a very, very harsh punishment.

EDIT: FWIW, I do not disagree with him being charged with desertion. I'm speaking to those that are foaming at the mouth and happy to hand down a life sentence already.
 
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MongGrel

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I find it sad that the very people that are so gungho about sending kids that are 18 years old into another country to wage war are the very ones that wish to exact the harshest punishment upon that same kid for being scared and making poor choices when they get there.

Some kids can take it, some can't. He made a poor choice and paid dearly for it. Others paid dearly for it as well. Enough tragedy has come from this story. Putting this boy in prison for life won't help prevent those other kids that find themselves scared on the battlefield. Newer policies, better counseling within the military, and better filtering of soldiers that may not be able to take the pressure should come from this, not more ruined lives.

hes morally a better man than all those who stayed and kept firing guns and dropping bombs for the bush war machine

I do not believe there has been a draft since Vietnam, has there ?
 

Jhhnn

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Over 2000 soldiers per year desert the army. I wouldn't call it systemic, but the fact is some people can't take what they signed up for. This kid felt so trapped that he decided to walk out into the desert.

I'm certainly not saying he was in the right, but perhaps those few that can't take the pressure should have a way to be removed safely before they feel the need to endanger their fellow soldiers.

If, in fact, it comes out that he tried to help the terrorists, then all bets are off IMO. He deserves a very, very harsh punishment.

EDIT: FWIW, I do not disagree with him being charged with desertion. I'm speaking to those that are foaming at the mouth and happy to hand down a life sentence already.

Pretty much, yeh.

If they can just blame Obama & Bergdahl, why, they can just forget how we got waltzed into this sorry mess by their heroes, the Neocons. That way, we'll be ready to do it again, and again, and again cuz Terrar! & Freedumb! & With Us or Against Us! & Be Afraid! Be very Afraid! Support the Troops no matter how pointless the mission!

Anybody who ever thought that we could pacify Afghanistan via military means short of outright genocide has shit fer brains, but that's what we've tried to do for 14 years.

Go figure.
 

werepossum

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I find it sad that the very people that are so gungho about sending kids that are 18 years old into another country to wage war are the very ones that wish to exact the harshest punishment upon that same kid for being scared and making poor choices when they get there.

Some kids can take it, some can't. He made a poor choice and paid dearly for it. Others paid dearly for it as well. Enough tragedy has come from this story. Putting this boy in prison for life won't help prevent those other kids that find themselves scared on the battlefield. Newer policies, better counseling within the military, and better filtering of soldiers that may not be able to take the pressure should come from this, not more ruined lives.
Well said. IFF he deserted, then he needs to be punished and imprisoned, period, but unless he intentionally deserted to and aided the enemy nowhere near life. But clearly we need better incentives and better screening and support. I don't particularly care about Bergdahl, but there's no reason to break otherwise functional people who simply don't have the fortitude to be combat soldiers, and there's damned sure no reason to subject real combat soldiers to the poorly planned, rushed and therefore unusually dangerous missions looking for them. Bergdahl is the only soldier to desert to the Taliban, but people like Bradley Manning can also do a great deal of damage. They might want to spend some time looking at generals' mistresses as well, mistresses traditionally being a popular cover occupation for spies.

He's been:
-brought home, like he should have been
-charged, like he should have been
Seems to me like the system is working.

As far as the 5 crazy Talibans, they are a drop in a bucket and Afghanistan's, not America's problem.
Yep - although they are now America's problem as much as or more than Afghanistan's. But regardless of whether these five were retained in custody, it's not like there's a shortage of crazy Muslims.

Over 2000 soldiers per year desert the army. I wouldn't call it systemic, but the fact is some people can't take what they signed up for. This kid felt so trapped that he decided to walk out into the desert.

I'm certainly not saying he was in the right, but perhaps those few that can't take the pressure should have a way to be removed safely before they feel the need to endanger their fellow soldiers.

If, in fact, it comes out that he tried to help the terrorists, then all bets are off IMO. He deserves a very, very harsh punishment.

EDIT: FWIW, I do not disagree with him being charged with desertion. I'm speaking to those that are foaming at the mouth and happy to hand down a life sentence already.
Again, well said. Although I can certainly understand why those who served (risking being sent out to search for people like Bergdahl) would have less sympathy for him than do I.

Can't really compare deserting in a combat zone with deserting in the states though. It's not like MPs looking for deserters face ambuscades and IEDs.
 

Jhhnn

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Well said. IFF he deserted, then he needs to be punished and imprisoned, period, but unless he intentionally deserted to and aided the enemy nowhere near life.

Five years at the tender mercies of the Taliban don't count, I suppose.
 

werepossum

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Five years at the tender mercies of the Taliban don't count, I suppose.
That's rather like the man who murders his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan. Bergdahl made a conscious decision to leave the base in a combat zone and apparently sought out the Taliban. Even it was merely the former, that disqualifies his captivity from counting as punishment, just like a man who is shot while robbing a bank doesn't get time off because he's already been punished.
 

ivwshane

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Time for an update!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/bowe-bergdahl-decision/

The Army general who led the investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's actions in Afghanistan testified Friday that jail time would be "inappropriate" for the soldier captured and held five years by the Taliban.

Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl said he interviewed Bowe for a day and a half and "did not find any evidence to corroborate the reporting that Bergdahl was ... sympathetic to the Taliban."

Instead, Dahl said, Bergdahl wanted to call attention to what he considered poor leadership of his unit. Bergdal believed that by leaving his observation post and running 23 kilometers (about 14 miles) to a nearby base he could cause a stir and gain access to a high-ranking officer to complain, Dahl said.