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Benghazi - the gift that keeps on giving

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They had absolutely NO evidence or indication by anyone that the attack had any relation to some YouTube video, but they DID have AQ claiming responsibility for the attack.

As of one week ago Intelligence officials were still determining if the demonstrations as a result of the video was used as a fortunate (for the attackers) happenstance that allowed them to make an attack. Or if the attack would have taken place even without the demonstrations.

http://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-...late-attack-185343655--abc-news-politics.html
The latest intelligence assessment of the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi indicates there was little if any pre-planning for it and that it was in part an opportunistic response to the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.

Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the attack, which has become a political hot potato in the presidential campaign with questions over when the Obama administration called the attack an act of terrorism.

"Right now, there isn't any intelligence that the attackers pre-planned their assault days or weeks in advance," said a U.S. intelligence official.

"The bulk of available information supports the early assessment that the attackers launched their assault opportunistically after they learned about the violence at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo." But the official added that "no one is ruling out that some of the attackers may have aspired to attack the U.S. in Benghazi."
^released on the 20th of October.

Additionally within a day Obama said in a televised interview that
"You're right that this is not a situation that was -- exactly the same as what happened in Egypt and my suspicion is that there are folks involved in this who were looking to target Americans from the start,"
it seems he's usually reticent about saying things as a statement of fact about foreign policy without confirmation by agencies.
 
They were freaking watching the attack with drones. And the liberal is STILL trying to spin this as the admin knew nothing?

And then obama goes off to fundraisers? Completely failed presidency, blood is on his hands.
 
Actually narrative that the administration claimed that the anti-Mohammed video was the sole reason for the attack isn't as clear cut as some would have you believe.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57538689/emails-detail-unfolding-benghazi-attack-on-sept-11/

The above link contains video for the curious.




Of course the next question is "Well the e-mails should be a slam dunk right? Looks like Nixon all over again to me."

well, according to CNN one group who claimed responsibility retracted that claim a day later.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html
Given the information in the above CNN story the administration may have been waiting until all the information is clear and the group(s) that claimed responsibility are investigated before saying "this is what happened undoubtedly"

However, it probably was unwise for the administration not to say some thing to the effect of "we're still looking how much of a role the video played in the attack, while also investigating claims of responsibility for a terrorist attack from various groups."

"It looks like the attack was more than a spontaneous mob is capable of doing, but we don't know yet if the attack would have taken place if the demonstrations over the video weren't happening."


This story from four days ago
http://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-...late-attack-185343655--abc-news-politics.html
Indicates that even over a month after the attack the various factors that may have played a role in the attack haven't been fully cleared up to the investigators satisfaction.

It could be that the administration is involved in Nixonian shens or it could be that they didn't relay information as well as they should have (in other words they badly mishandled how they released incoming information to the public).

Given that this is an election year, the politicization of its aftermath should be expected.



^case in point

No matter how many times you give them facts that refute the conservative talking points, they won't listen. It doesn't matter how many times you prove to them they're wrong, they don't know how to be anything but wrong. People like spidey and cybrsage are physically unable to be anything but astronomically stupid.
 
Rational people understand to lay the benefit of the doubt to investigation time. The admin routinely made both points, with very little detail towards either, form the day of the attack onward.

Only on ~the 19th, do you suddenly have this whitewashing of the previous 2 weeks of media coverage as to what was side by whom and when.

The simple fact is that the admin were investigating, the CIA was investigating, and they were giving out very little intel--because it's a FUCKING INVESTIGATION.

picking out 3 or 4 comments from 3 conferences out of the dozens that were held during that time period, ignoring all of the other suggestions as to "targeted militant group" or "possible act of terror," and proclaiming that the admin LIED TO US! DERP DER DERP! is the height of irrational, duplicitous, bias.

It's only further sickened by the fact that this is seen as a [completely invented] attempt to score political points, in the face of 4 American death.

The GOP is now nothing but a bunch of sick, petty, America-hating scum.
The State Department should have said that it was under investigation and shut their mouths instead of willfully propagating a lie with MSM.

By the way, I love the word "derp" when used in a rant. It just screams intelligence....don't you think?
 
They were freaking watching the attack with drones. And the liberal is STILL trying to spin this as the admin knew nothing?

And then obama goes off to fundraisers? Completely failed presidency, blood is on his hands.

Does calling me a liberal make me mad, in your mind?

How about if I call you an inbred redneck? It would probably be more apt.

Whatever makes you happy. 😀
 
They were freaking watching the attack with drones. And the liberal is STILL trying to spin this as the admin knew nothing? And then obama goes off to fundraisers? Completely failed presidency, blood is on his hands.

If blood is on his hands then blood is on the hands of every president in the past 50 years at the very least. No one will want to uphold that standard for *every* president regardless though, not even you.

Additionally, even if the drones were armed how do you know that the possible armaments wouldn't have killed bystanders as well as perpetrators?
 
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Can someone please tell me why Obama would lie about this? I don't understand why he would

this is PJABBER's argument:

You really have blinders on.
This was done for political advantage, so that the story line that Obama was some great world peace bringer could be maintained.


....yeah, it makes no sense. why would Obama think he could run on a world peace-bringer ticket if his 4 years in office pretty much destroy that notion already? It's the type of ranting and delusional assumptions you get from the conspiracy types:

I want to believe something is true, therefore I will create my own explanation for why something happened, simply to confirm my assumptive bias.

It's quite easy, really.
 
Rational people don't give two shits about Benghazi. It's tragic that we lost American lives but trying to stop 100% of all terrorists attacks is not an achievable effort. The best we can do is learn from our mistakes and prevent them from happening again.

Need I remind you that the worst terrorist attack ever happened on Republican watch. Conservatives best shut their mouths.
 
As of one week ago Intelligence officials were still determining if the demonstrations as a result of the video was used as a fortunate (for the attackers) happenstance that allowed them to make an attack. Or if the attack would have taken place even without the demonstrations.

http://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-...late-attack-185343655--abc-news-politics.html

^released on the 20th of October.

Additionally within a day Obama said in a televised interview that
it seems he's usually reticent about saying things as a statement of fact about foreign policy without confirmation by agencies.

Seriously? Unnamed source? Refuses to be identified? Democrat political operative?

Why don't you read and provide links to the Congressional testimony under oath that was given by those who were involved?

Why don't you link to the reports like this one from Reuters, no conservative outlet -

White House told of militant claim two hours after Libya attack: emails

WASHINGTON | Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:11pm EDT
(Reuters) - Officials at the White House and State Department were advised two hours after attackers assaulted the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11 that an Islamic militant group had claimed credit for the attack, official emails show.

The emails, obtained by Reuters from government sources not connected with U.S. spy agencies or the State Department and who requested anonymity, specifically mention that the Libyan group called Ansar al-Sharia had asserted responsibility for the attacks.

The brief emails also show how U.S. diplomats described the attack, even as it was still under way, to Washington.

U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the Benghazi assault, which President Barack Obama and other U.S. officials ultimately acknowledged was a "terrorist" attack carried out by militants with suspected links to al Qaeda affiliates or sympathizers.

Administration spokesmen, including White House spokesman Jay Carney, citing an unclassified assessment prepared by the CIA, maintained for days that the attacks likely were a spontaneous protest against an anti-Muslim film.

While officials did mention the possible involvement of "extremists," they did not lay blame on any specific militant groups or possible links to al Qaeda or its affiliates until intelligence officials publicly alleged that on September 28.

There were indications that extremists with possible al Qaeda connections were involved, but also evidence that the attacks could have erupted spontaneously, they said, adding that government experts wanted to be cautious about pointing fingers prematurely.

U.S. intelligence officials have emphasized since shortly after the attack that early intelligence reporting about the attack was mixed.

Spokesmen for the White House and State Department had no immediate response to requests for comments on the emails.

MISSIVES FROM LIBYA

The records obtained by Reuters consist of three emails dispatched by the State Department's Operations Center to multiple government offices, including addresses at the White House, Pentagon, intelligence community and FBI, on the afternoon of September 11.

The first email, timed at 4:05 p.m. Washington time - or 10:05 p.m. Benghazi time, 20-30 minutes after the attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission allegedly began - carried the subject line "U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack" and the notation "SBU", meaning "Sensitive But Unclassified."

The text said the State Department's regional security office had reported that the diplomatic mission in Benghazi was "under attack. Embassy in Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well."

The message continued: "Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four ... personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support."

A second email, headed "Update 1: U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi" and timed 4:54 p.m. Washington time, said that the Embassy in Tripoli had reported that "the firing at the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi had stopped and the compound had been cleared." It said a "response team" was at the site attempting to locate missing personnel.

A third email, also marked SBU and sent at 6:07 p.m. Washington time, carried the subject line: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack."

The message reported: "Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

While some information identifying recipients of this message was redacted from copies of the messages obtained by Reuters, a government source said that one of the addresses to which the message was sent was the White House Situation Room, the president's secure command post.

Other addressees included intelligence and military units as well as one used by the FBI command center, the source said.

It was not known what other messages were received by agencies in Washington from Libya that day about who might have been behind the attacks.

Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate.

By the morning of September 12, the day after the Benghazi attack, Reuters reported that there were indications that members of both Ansar al-Sharia, a militia based in the Benghazi area, and al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the North African affiliate of al Qaeda's faltering central command, may have been involved in organizing the attacks.

One U.S. intelligence official said that during the first classified briefing about Benghazi given to members of Congress, officials "carefully laid out the full range of sparsely available information, relying on the best analysis available at the time."

The official added, however, that the initial analysis of the attack that was presented to legislators was mixed.

"Briefers said extremists were involved in attacks that appeared spontaneous, there may have been a variety of motivating factors, and possible links to groups such as (al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Ansar al-Sharia) were being looked at closely," the official said.

(Additional reporting by Susan Cornwell; Editing by Mary Milliken and Jim Loney)
 
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A militant organization who made a claim retracted that claim 24 hours later.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html

An initial e-mail was sent while the attack was still underway, and another that arrived two hours later -- sent from a State Department address to various government agencies including the executive office of the president -- identified Ansar al-Sharia as claiming responsibility for the attack on its Facebook page and on Twitter.


The group denied responsibility the next day.
So yes there would be a need to check the veracity of some of the information in e-mails.


Sorry if this doesn't comport with your view of the world and you feel the need to deny evidence that doesn't support what your gut is telling you must be true.

From the story you linked...

Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate.

I guess from what you believe there is no way the administration wasn't involved in cover up unless they dumped the documents onto the media as they received them.
 
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The fact that Obama lied about this and Americans are dead as a result is inexcusable.

Wait, wait, what?


He lied and then Americans were killed? How did that happen?




You righties are fucking idiots! If reality doesn't fit your narrative then the logical thing to do is to change reality!/s
 
Wait, wait, what?


He lied and then Americans were killed? How did that happen?




You righties are fucking idiots! If reality doesn't fit your narrative then the logical thing to do is to change reality!/s

Did you read about the communication?

"An initial e-mail was sent while the attack was still underway, and another that arrived two hours later"

We could have sent backup.
 
A militant organization who made a claim retracted that claim 24 hours later.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/24/us/libya-benghazi-e-mails/index.html


So yes there would be a need to check the veracity of some of the information in e-mails.


Sorry if this doesn't comport with your view of the world and you feel the need to deny evidence that doesn't support what your gut is telling you must be true.

I don't care who claims credit for attacks like this. Any nut job can do so and a full investigation would determine who did the deed and who helped make it happen.

The attack is being broadcast in real time from an overhead drone and it is being watched not only by desk officers at State but also at CIA and DOD. Anyone with a military background can immediately identify coordinated movement patterns, ie bounding overwatch. Anyone with a military background can see that the use of indirect fires, ie mortars, as well as RPGs, automatic weapons, etc. by all attackers is not some group carrying signs and deciding to pull heavy weapons for a spontaneous assault.

But then to have senior government officials go out and tell lie after lie for weeks on end in the face of what they all knew within hours is beyond the pale.
 
Can someone please tell me why Obama would lie about this? I don't understand why he would
Unless I totally missed it, the implication is that obama got osama and al queda is done..feather for the admin. This attack gives a pretty clear picture that al queda isn't done so no feather and a black eye(maybe). Whoever thought it was a good idea to lie about the attack goofed, trying to protect the feather. If they had just said it was an organized terrorist attack, I imagine this would have been old news by now.

About right?
 
We could have sent backup.

Backup. We need Backup.

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Unless I totally missed it, the implication is that obama got osama and al queda is done..feather for the admin. This attack gives a pretty clear picture that al queda isn't done so no feather and a black eye(maybe). Whoever thought it was a good idea to lie about the attack goofed, trying to protect the feather. If they had just said it was an organized terrorist attack, I imagine this would have been old news by now.

About right?

Pretty much.

Libya: Why the Cover-up?

By David French
October 22, 2012 2:46 P.M.

Over the last few days I’ve been focusing on the chain of events that led to the horrifying security breakdown in Benghazi (the “crime&#8221😉. But leaving aside the crime, why the cover-up? Why would the administration invest so much of its credibility in the mob/video explanation? After all, the security breakdown would perhaps be even more outrageous if a mere spontaneous mob could break through a consulate’s defenses and kill an American ambassador.

While we can’t know for certain why the administration continued to tell the mob/video tale long after it was clearly false, we do know the following:

1. The Arab Spring has thus far been a disaster for American interests. Egypt, the most important Arab country, is under Muslim Brotherhood rule, Tunisia is in the hands of the Islamists, Yemen is a cauldron of tribal violence, and Syria is in the midst of a brutal civil war with jihadists taking an increasing role in the opposition military effort.

2. Until September 11, Libya was the one, shining, exception to this disastrous trend. NATO helped topple a longtime anti-American terrorist without any loss of Western life (Hillary Clinton was pleased enough to even publicly spike the football — saying of Qaddafi, “We came. We saw. He died.&#8221😉, and the Libyans bucked the Arab Spring electoral trend by rejecting the Muslim Brotherhood in favor of a “centrist” party.

3. Those gains, however, are all for naught if this “centrist” party is incapable of effective rule, and large chunks of Libya spiral into chaos or fall into the effective control of jihadists.

4. A complex terror attack (including accurate indirect fire, if current reports can be believed) betrays the existence of a much wider terror networks in Benghazi. As a general rule, for every terror attack, you can extrapolate much larger infrastructure. For example, rare is the truly “lone” suicide bomber — he (or she) is almost always supported by a network that includes recruiters, arms suppliers, bomb makers, etc. The continually escalating violence in Benghazi, culminating in an extremely bold frontal assault on one of our diplomatic compounds, is evidence that Libya’s government has lost effective control of its own streets in a key city and that jihadists are ascendant.

5. It also shows the strategic bankruptcy of an anti-terror strategy focused so completely on a high-profile “kill list.” Wishful thinking to the contrary, violent jihad is not simply the product of a few masterminds (the “few extremists” of popular progressive legend) but instead of a genuine mass movement in many parts of the Middle East, of a culture of hatred and racism. You can’t merely swap out leaders and expect to change cultures or deter jihadists. Israel has been very proficient at killing enemy leaders for many, many years — and those strikes certainly have short-term value in degrading operational capability — but is Israel any closer to ending the Jihad against its very existence?

6. If, however, the attack was merely a spontaneous reaction to an outrageous video, then it can be treated as an aberration — a tragedy, to be sure, but of no more strategic importance than the cartoon riots. That would have allowed them to keep calling the Libyan intervention a success, albeit a messy success, one strategic victory to balance the ledger against an otherwise unrelenting record of retreat and failure.

One final note: If you don’t think the administration was previously triumphalist, watch this clip against the backdrop of our bitter current reality:

Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi: We came, we saw, he died
 
From liberal CBS -

(CBS News)

Emails detail unfolding Benghazi attack on Sept. 11 - VIDEO

It was six weeks ago on Tuesday that terrorists attacked the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

Now, CBS News has obtained email alerts that were put out by the State Department as the attack unfolded. Four Americans were killed in the attack, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

These emails contain the earliest description so far of what happened at Benghazi the night of the attack.

Read the emails (PDF)

Ambassador warned Libya was "volatile and violent"

CIA saw possible terror ties day after Libya hit: AP

At 4:05 p.m. Eastern time, on September 11, an alert from the State Department Operations Center was issued to a number government and intelligence agencies. Included were the White House Situation Room, the office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the FBI.

"US Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi Under Attack" -- "approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well. Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM (Chief of Mission/embassy) personnel are in the compound safe haven."

Clinton on email: "Not in and of itself evidence"

At 4:54 p.m., less than an hour later, another alert: "the firing... in Benghazi...has stopped...A response team is on site attempting to locate COM (embassy) personnel."

Then, at 6:07 p.m., State sent out another alert saying the embassy in Tripoli reported the Islamic military group "Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibilty for Benghazi Attack"... "on Facebook and Twitter and has called for an attack on Embassy Tripoli."

The emails are just a few in what are likely a large number traded throughout the night. They are likely to become part of the ongoing political debate over whether the administration attempted to mislead in saying the assault was an outgrowth of a protest, rather than a planned attack by terrorists.

Fourteen hours after the attack, President Obama sat down with Steve Kroft of "60 Minutes" for a previously scheduled interview and said he did not believe it was simply due to mob violence.

"You're right that this is not a situation that was -- exactly the same as what happened in Egypt and my suspicion is that there are folks involved in this who were looking to target Americans from the start," Mr. Obama said.

The White House and State Department declined comment on the email alerts. The House Oversight Committee told CBS News the information in the emails will be part of their ongoing investigation into the Benghazi attack.
 
Quoted from your article PJabber

Fourteen hours after the attack, President Obama sat down with Steve Kroft of "60 Minutes" for a previously scheduled interview and said he did not believe it was simply due to mob violence.

"You're right that this is not a situation that was -- exactly the same as what happened in Egypt and my suspicion is that there are folks involved in this who were looking to target Americans from the start," Mr. Obama said.

but of course unless the administration just did a real time document dump of information coming in it's a cover up.
 
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