Before you pack for Ottawa

[Alistar7]

Rabid is just attempting to inject some fact into the arguement, his point about the Canadian inferiority complex is well documented and plays a LARGE role in the way America is viewed by Canucks. I personally have enjoyed every trip there, been treated well everywhere I went, and liked every one of them I got to meet.

So sad the old thread that broke down the violent crime stats between the US and Canada is long gone. The jist of it basically showed that Canucks are almost TWICE as violent as Americans, with a much higher % of sexually related crimes.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Yes, the Brits had our backs covered, and the US got PWNED in the war of 1812. The white house probably needed some re-modeling anyways.

Actually the War of 1812 basically resulted in a draw.

I must have read a Canadian textbook. It said you guys got PWNED.

It wasn't just my textbook.

The biggest losers? The Native Americans whose lands were served up as an entrée to a pioneering population. The biggest winner was Canada, who secured its status as a British colony and put an end to dreams of an American-dominated continent.

TEXT

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Well, what war have the USA actually decisively won? instead of discrediting it name one.

I simply cannot believe that you are asking such a question.

Spanish American War

Hey, we had one in the 1990's, too.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Rabid is just attempting to inject some fact into the arguement, his point about the Canadian inferiority complex is well documented and plays a LARGE role in the way American is viewed by Canucks. I personally have enjoyed every trip there, been treated well everywhere I went, and liked every one of them I got to meet.

So sad the old thread that broke down the violent crime stats between the US and Canada is long gone. The jist of it basically showed that Canucks are almost TWICE as violent as Americans, with a much higher % of sexually related crimes.

Our murder rate is lower. If you look at crime as a whole, I would suggest that the rate is much lower in Canada.

Our laws against sex offenders are very disturbing though. Karla Homolka is being released this spring. She's a serial killer/rapist. I sometimes wonder what this world is coming to.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Our murder rate is lower. If you look at crime as a whole, I would suggest that the rate is much lower in Canada.

Nope, Canada has a higher overall crime rate.

 

[Steeplerot]

I touched on the S/A war that was a travesty and a blight on the reputation of our country and a very poorly executed one at that you could say we won the war on the phillipines also but how big are these countries? I mean a war not a bullying session landgrab. What we did to mexico raping her of a third of her land was a rout against a extremly weakened opponent. A certain 1930's party leader would have been proud for such a blatent expansion of territory at the expense of a neighboring soverign country.

 

[Alistar7]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109300/

According to the International Crime Victimization Survey [www.minjust.nl:8080] (1999 data) -- a cooperative international project organized under the aegis of U.N. agencies -- the "contact crime" rate (robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force) is over 1.5 times higher in Canada than in the U.S.; 3.4% of all respondents were victimized once or more in Canada, 1.9% in the U.S. (fig. 5, p. 33).

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I touched on the S/A war that was a travesty and a blight on the reputation of our country and a very poorly executed one at that you could say we won the war on the phillipines also but how big are these countries? I mean a war not a bullying session landgrab.

A war is a war. Now you're making up your own definition, attempting to filter out any possible answer. If you think that most wars are going to be moral, then we'll just have to disagree on that.

 

[Alistar7]

http://www.minjust.nl:8080/b_o...cations/08-icvs-h2.pdf

The six countries with the highest overall prevalence victimisation rates are Australia
(30% of people were victimised once or more), England and Wales (26%),
the Netherlands (25%) and Sweden (25%), Canada (24%) and Scotland (23%). They
have significantly higher overall victimisation rates (in a statistical sense at the 10%
probability level) than the average of all ICVS countries.

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[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Rabid is just attempting to inject some fact into the arguement, his point about the Canadian inferiority complex is well documented and plays a LARGE role in the way America is viewed by Canucks. I personally have enjoyed every trip there, been treated well everywhere I went, and liked every one of them I got to meet.

Yeah. My point was very close to the original post, but I suppose it is a very touchy subject that sparked off a lot of anger. I should have slowly and more cautiously brought up my premise.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I touched on the S/A war that was a travesty and a blight on the reputation of our country and a very poorly executed one at that you could say we won the war on the phillipines also but how big are these countries? I mean a war not a bullying session landgrab.

A war is a war. Now you're making up your own definition, attempting to filter out any possible answer. If you think that most wars are going to be moral, then we'll just have to disagree on that.

The S/A war was mostly 1 group of calvary driving to mexico city and a few troops dropped off on the coast.
I wouldn't count that as a war when the enemy is incapable of fighting back to just about any degree at all....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Rabid is just attempting to inject some fact into the arguement, his point about the Canadian inferiority complex is well documented and plays a LARGE role in the way America is viewed by Canucks. I personally have enjoyed every trip there, been treated well everywhere I went, and liked every one of them I got to meet.

Yeah. My point was very close to the original post, but I suppose it is a very touchy subject that sparked off a lot of anger. I should have slowly and more cautiously brought up my premise.

LMAO, exactly what type of reaction did you expect, it is an INFERIORITY complex

 

[Steeplerot]

Where do you all get this crap from? FOX? WTf inferiority complex? they are another country why would they envy us?

 

[Alistar7]

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/legal02.htm

Crimes by type of offence - Canada
rate per 100,000 population
Sexual assault - 74.1

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec2.pdf

Crimes by type of offence - Canada
rate per 100,000 population
Sexual assault - 32.1

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[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/legal02.htm

Crimes by type of offence - Canada
rate per 100,000 population
Sexual assault - 74.1

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec2.pdf

Crimes by type of offence - Canada
rate per 100,000 population
Sexual assault - 32.1

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Well Canadians? What do you have to say? You got 12 year old boys selling their ass for meth on your block?
How many cops you seen shot or run over this month? Bodies in the streets? Is canada really worse then America? How many friends you got that the police killed?
I just can't see this being anywhere near accurate in my travels and what I see and hear day-to day versus
visits to Canada and gunshot-free sleep in a city.

 

[Alistar7]

Sickbeast I hope those statistics help you see the truth.

 

[Alistar7]

They got 16 year old girls legally stripping in the nudie bars, WOOT for Canada, lol...

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Our murder rate is lower. If you look at crime as a whole, I would suggest that the rate is much lower in Canada.

Nope, Canada has a higher overall crime rate.

Oh really? Let's see some statistics on that.

Read this link

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.

Better luck next time.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
They got 16 year old girls legally stripping in the nudie bars, WOOT for Canada, lol...

WOOT for the 16 year old guys lol
(and the independent enough women to bust their asses dancing at such a young age....it must suck but this is voluntary so it is THEIR choice in these matters as far as going to gape at them that is your buisness why you have this knowledge.)

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Sickbeast I hope those statistics help you see the truth.

Forcible rape != sexual assault. They aren't the same thing.

Sexual assault also has a massive reporting gap, worldwide. I don't know what estimates are now, but I recall most nations having well under 50% of sexual assaults reported. This makes for a very poor comparison, compared to other crimes; you can't tell whether you have a reporting difference or an occurrence difference.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Sickbeast I hope those statistics help you see the truth.

You might want to check out mine. Try comparing the murder rate in NYC to that here in Toronto. Similar cities in many many ways, but different countries.

I acknowledge that your stats show higher rates of sexual assault here, but that's just one crime. Look at the big picture and Canada's a better place to live.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I touched on the S/A war that was a travesty and a blight on the reputation of our country and a very poorly executed one at that you could say we won the war on the phillipines also but how big are these countries? I mean a war not a bullying session landgrab.

A war is a war. Now you're making up your own definition, attempting to filter out any possible answer. If you think that most wars are going to be moral, then we'll just have to disagree on that.

The S/A war was mostly 1 group of calvary driving to mexico city and a few troops dropped off on the coast.
I wouldn't count that as a war when the enemy is incapable of fighting back to just about any degree at all....

A war is a war. And there was more than a single group of cavalry.

Anyways, there's always the Mexican War and the Gulf War

 

[Steeplerot]

Iraq was a tiny country against the worlds superpower/and friends does the war seem fair to you? More of the same puny ass country pwned = american heros c'mon you can do better then that where are the great heroic american wars you hawks out there?



SILLY VIDEO GAME REFRENCE FOR P&N HISTORICAL POINT WARNING THIS IS NOT REALITY:

Ever played CIV? Having a civ with 40 HUGE cities armed to the teeth with lots-o heavy tanks agaisnt the sh1thole with 3 beat-ass size 4 cities barely in the industrial age in the desert somewhere is not a
victory but a bully session. :roll:

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Oh really? Let's see some statistics on that.

Read this link

The U.S. is the most violent society in the industrialized world, and probably
the entire world as well. Although it doesn't have the most police per capita,
the U.S. does have the toughest laws and punishments by far. The question of
which came first, the chicken or the egg, is becoming much less relevant as time
passes; the U.S. has been following this "get tough" approach for decades, with
no significant reduction of its violent crime rate.

Better luck next time.

ummm... quite a "source" you have there... read the previous posts, too.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Iraq was a tiny country against the worlds superpower/and friends does the war seem fair to you? More of the same puny ass country pwned = american heros c'mon you can do better then that where are the great heroic american wars you hawks out there?

War is never fair. Anyways, you are quite welcome for the history lesson that I have provided to you.