Bear Hunter Attacked by Wounded Bear!

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HannibalX

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Way to dodge the question. At least I know "where you stand" now. By not answering I now know your answer.

I think trying to take down a bear with a pistol of any caliber is foolish, .45, .44 mag, whatever. It should be a backup and thats it. But put in the situation, I believe I could take down a bear with a .45 ACP pistol - you think I will get eaten.

Like I said before there really isn't any "right" answer here - just you trying to correct anyone who will let you.

I thought you were done here...
 

Summitdrinker

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smart people don't use a handgun for grizzlies period, for hunting them it's insane, for a last resort backup gun it's still a bad idea. the old saying was when hunting for big bears (even as a back up gun) if you have a 44 mag you best have the iron sites removed since the bear is going to shove it up your @@@

bears actually go down easy if you hit them in the right spot, but if your off by a few inches there tuff

my uncle about 15 years ago In WI had a bear attack him. he shot the bear in the chest with a 12 guage slug as it ran by at about 100 feet away with the hounds behind him.
the bear just turn on a dime and charged, not even careing about the dogs at that point. he must have paniced since he didn't shoot again, but he threw the gun down since the bear was on him so fast. he ran as fast as he could, the bear almost got him before it dropped dead. this was a black bear about 300 pounds

black bears are very fast, they will run down a horse in the 100 yard dash. they go thru brush like it's not even there, some times i think there faster than deer it seems
 

HannibalX

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Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
smart people don't use a handgun for grizzlies period, for hunting them it's insane, for a last resort backup gun it's still a bad idea. the old saying was when hunting for big bears (even as a back up gun) if you have a 44 mag you best have the iron sites removed since the bear is going to shove it up your @@@

bears actually go down easy if you hit them in the right spot, but if your off by a few inches there tuff

my uncle about 15 years ago In WI had a bear attack him. he shot the bear in the chest with a 12 guage slug as it ran by at about 100 feet away with the hounds behind him.
the bear just turn on a dime and charged, not even careing about the dogs at that point. he must have paniced since he didn't shoot again, but he threw the gun down since the bear was on him so fast. he ran as fast as he could, the bear almost got him before it dropped dead. this was a black bear about 300 pounds

black bears are very fast, they will run down a horse in the 100 yard dash. they go thru brush like it's not even there, some times i think there faster than deer it seems

No doubt about it, they are mean machines. Most people don't survive an attack armed or not.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Way to dodge the question. At least I know "where you stand" now. By not answering I now know your answer.

I think trying to take down a bear with a pistol of any caliber is foolish, .45, .44 mag, whatever. It should be a backup and thats it. But put in the situation, I believe I could take down a bear with a .45 ACP pistol - you think I will get eaten.

Like I said before there really isn't any "right" answer here - just you trying to correct anyone who will let you.

I thought you were done here...

I changed my mind.

Many experts have stated repeatedly that the minimum they would carry for defense against a bear attack is a .44 Magnum. I never stated that you couldn't kill a bear with a .45 ACP, just that it would be foolish to trust your life to it while in bear country.

If you choose to ignore this advice then so be it. Hopefully, you never have to test your faith in real life. :beer:
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...orth_America_by_decade

Bear attacks. Most people are pulled from their tents while sleeping and killed.

HAHAHA-This nitwit was begging to be eaten by bears...

Timothy Treadwell-Found by their pilot, dead and most of their bodies consumed at Kaflia Bay, Katmai National Park, Alaska on October 6, 2003. Treadwell was world-famous for his books and documentaries on living with wild bears in Alaska. State Troopers investigating the incident recovered an audiotape of the attack. Only a few days before, Treadwell filmed himself with the bear that killed him in the background, while commenting that it was a bear just like this one---older, struggling to bulk up for the winter--that posed the most threat to humans. The two were killed on the last night before their pickup, after spending several months in the Alaskan bush.


You haven't seen Grizzly Man?

Yes, I've seen it. That guy was a complete nutball.
 

HannibalX

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There you go again with the Mr. Know it All.

Ignore? Not really. I just don't agree with it.

The next time you are not shooting at a bear, let me know what happens. :)
 

KK

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I wouldn't go bear hunting with anything less than a 30-06. Most bolt actions will hold 3+1 or 4+1 so getting thru all shots would take less than 10 seconds. I can't for the life of me understand how this guy got in the situation he did. As for the argument of handguns, yes a .45 could kill a bear, but I'd feel alot more comfortable with my .454 even if I can't hit sh1t with it. maybe the concussion will kill it.
 

Summitdrinker

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black bears aren't really killing machines in someways, they eat everything, even bugs, mice, sweet corn, fruit, fresh dead animals they find, left overs thrown out from people (trash) , berries, fish, people's pets and live stock, well anything that comes along including people;)

they like dounuts and bread too, they have a sweet tooth and crave cookies sometimes
 

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Well....I hope he didn't think the bear was just going to sit there and take it.
 

DrPizza

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Pale Rider, you're wrong about a few things.

One, in NY, until 2 years ago, the only legal firearm that could be used to hunt black bears was a shotgun. Most people still use a shotgun, despite rifles being allowed in a few counties.

Two: A bear shot through the heart is capable of traveling a hundred yards or more in that condition.

Three: when a shotgun is used for bear, the ammunition is a slug (and generally, people seem to prefer a 12 gauge.) Buck shot is not legal for bear (or for deer) in NY. One of my friends has shot and killed 3 black bears in the last 5 years; all with a shotgun.

Four: You are NOT going to stop a black bear, nor a brown bear at 3 to 4 feet with a single shot of pellets from a shotgun, regardless of the load. You may mortally wound it, if you're lucky, right before you die. "...literally blow off its head/arm" - you're a funny guy!

Five: This scenario: large brown bear suddenly charges out of the woods from 50 feet away. You pull out your .45 and aim for the head. You pull the trigger. You re-aim. You pull the trigger again. Your last thoughts as the bear reaches you are: "oh crap. Both shots ricochetted off its head."


Oh, and lastly, a bunch of you seem to think black bears are these mean ferocious animals. Well, they can be pretty bad-ass if you irritate them, but in the woods, they're generally pretty good about wanting to leave you alone. They're not a dangerous animal until the human/bear interaction makes them dangerous. I've been fortunate to have had many encounters with bears.
 

Analog

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Pale Rider, you're wrong about a few things.

One, in NY, until 2 years ago, the only legal firearm that could be used to hunt black bears was a shotgun. Most people still use a shotgun, despite rifles being allowed in a few counties.

Two: A bear shot through the heart is capable of traveling a hundred yards or more in that condition.

Three: when a shotgun is used for bear, the ammunition is a slug (and generally, people seem to prefer a 12 gauge.) Buck shot is not legal for bear (or for deer) in NY. One of my friends has shot and killed 3 black bears in the last 5 years; all with a shotgun.

Four: You are NOT going to stop a black bear, nor a brown bear at 3 to 4 feet with a single shot of pellets from a shotgun, regardless of the load. You may mortally wound it, if you're lucky, right before you die. "...literally blow off its head/arm" - you're a funny guy!

Five: This scenario: large brown bear suddenly charges out of the woods from 50 feet away. You pull out your .45 and aim for the head. You pull the trigger. You re-aim. You pull the trigger again. Your last thoughts as the bear reaches you are: "oh crap. Both shots ricochetted off its head."


Oh, and lastly, a bunch of you seem to think black bears are these mean ferocious animals. Well, they can be pretty bad-ass if you irritate them, but in the woods, they're generally pretty good about wanting to leave you alone. They're not a dangerous animal until the human/bear interaction makes them dangerous. I've been fortunate to have had many encounters with bears.

Dr. Pizza has gone bear hunting. Wasn't it it with a bow though?
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: Analog
Dr. Pizza has gone bear hunting. Wasn't it it with a bow though?

Yes, I do hunt bear with a bow. So far, I've been unsuccessful. The closest I came was 2 years ago when a really large sow walked just 10 - 15 yards from me. But, she had a cub with her (illegal and unethical to kill a bear with a cub.) I've had a few opportunities during shotgun season, but each time, while the bear was legal, it was too small for what I'd shoot. That my friend got 3 bears - he's an incredibly skilled woodsman. (It's also illegal to hunt over bait, and illegal to use dogs for bear in NY. Otherwise, it'd be pretty easy (providing you bring enough ammo!))

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Pale Rider, you're wrong about a few things.

One, in NY, until 2 years ago, the only legal firearm that could be used to hunt black bears was a shotgun. Most people still use a shotgun, despite rifles being allowed in a few counties.

Two: A bear shot through the heart is capable of traveling a hundred yards or more in that condition.

Three: when a shotgun is used for bear, the ammunition is a slug (and generally, people seem to prefer a 12 gauge.) Buck shot is not legal for bear (or for deer) in NY. One of my friends has shot and killed 3 black bears in the last 5 years; all with a shotgun.

Four: You are NOT going to stop a black bear, nor a brown bear at 3 to 4 feet with a single shot of pellets from a shotgun, regardless of the load. You may mortally wound it, if you're lucky, right before you die. "...literally blow off its head/arm" - you're a funny guy!

Five: This scenario: large brown bear suddenly charges out of the woods from 50 feet away. You pull out your .45 and aim for the head. You pull the trigger. You re-aim. You pull the trigger again. Your last thoughts as the bear reaches you are: "oh crap. Both shots ricochetted off its head."


Oh, and lastly, a bunch of you seem to think black bears are these mean ferocious animals. Well, they can be pretty bad-ass if you irritate them, but in the woods, they're generally pretty good about wanting to leave you alone. They're not a dangerous animal until the human/bear interaction makes them dangerous. I've been fortunate to have had many encounters with bears.

Thank you! Finally, a voice of reason in an otherwise ridiculous thread...

One of the few times I've actually seen a bear was in upstate NY in the Adirondack Park (where I grew up). I was just a child, probably around 10 years old, and it wandered out of the woods near our house. It was literally about 10' away from me and it scared the shit out of me. As soon as it saw me it just scurried off into the brush though.

I've seen bears a couple times since then while hunting in the Kings Canyon area in central California but they always tend to stay away from people and I wasn't very close to them.

I've never hunted bear (actually, we did buy a bear tag one year but, of course, we never saw a bear on that trip) but I've learned enough about them to very wary of them. They are hardy beasts. The only weapon I carried while hunting was a Winchester model 70 chambered in .300 Win Mag.
 

Summitdrinker

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also some black bears can develop a craving for pizza, they can get hooked on it

ps edit, a few even like beer with there pizza

a 7mm-08, 308, 30-06 is plenty for black bears, now grizzlies I'd want more gun
bullet type is important

I prefer a rifle over a 12 guage for bear hunting

have i ever bear hunted? no but know plenty of people that have, and have spent plenty of time in the woods around them
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I've never hunted bear (actually, we did buy a bear tag one year but, of course, we never saw a bear on that trip) but I've learned enough about them to very wary of them. They are hardy beasts. The only weapon I carried while hunting was a Winchester model 70 chambered in .300 Win Mag.

Well, I've got my buck tag for shotgun season, a buck/doe tag for bow season, 2 doe tags, a bear tag, and 4 turkey tags.

My son has a buck tag for shotgun season, 2 doe tags, a bear tag, and 4 turkey tags.

Not counting rabbits, squirrels, grouse, pheasant, etc., that's potentially a heck of a lot of meat in the freezer. Odds are that between the two of us, we'll be lucky to have 3 deer.
 

Summitdrinker

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DrPizza, do you have a small old rusted toyota or datsun pickup truck with the steel box removed with homemade wood box put on it with hound boxes ?

do you go out into the woods and bait/feed the bears old dounuts, cookies, bread and pizza?


edit, I just read your post farther up, no feeding bears or using hounds in newyork
 

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Montana Football Player Tackled by Grizzly Bear

BILLINGS, Mont. ? Carroll College freshman wide receiver Roman Morris had never been tackled like this before.

Morris, who was bow hunting with two friends, was crouched on a hillside north of Gardiner at dawn Saturday when a female grizzly bear that was walking by turned and attacked him.

"It charged down the hill and just drilled me," said Morris, 21, of Whitewater.

Over the next 30 to 45 seconds, Morris fought with the bear as it bit and clawed, severed his left hamstring, punctured his shoulder, chomped at his head and tossed him around.

"I thought the whole time, This is so messed up. I'm going to die, I'm going to die,"' said Morris, a pre-med major.

The bear ran off after a friend fired a pistol. Morris underwent surgery at a Livingston hospital and was recuperating Monday at his brother's house in Helena.

"I still have a pretty dang good headache from the whole thing," he told The Billings Gazette in a telephone interview.

Morris, who was not on the Carroll football team's traveling squad for Saturday's game at Butte, said he and his brother, Mitch, and friend, Josh Love, set out to Beattie Gulch early Saturday to bow hunt for elk.

Daylight was just arriving as the three split up. Morris found a spot behind some sagebrush. After hearing some rustling, he pulled an arrow from his quiver and readied his bow. Just then, he saw the grizzly about 15 feet away, walking at an angle toward him. He felt certain the bear knew he was there.

Morris thought briefly about shooting it but thought that would only antagonize the animal.

Instead, he waited and hoped the bear would keep walking.

However, the bear turned and charged. Morris said he stood partway up and started to draw his bow when the grizzly hit him. For several seconds as they slid downhill, he held the bear's head and pounded away with his fist.

"I put everything I had into it. It didn't budge at all," said Morris, who is 6 feet, 2 inches, and 205 pounds.

The grizzly swatted Morris, its claw stabbing a 2-inch hole into his shoulder. He dropped down and put his hands behind his head. The bear bit at his head several times, but the slick outer layer on his hooded jacket apparently prevented the bear from clamping down.

"That jacket probably saved my life," he said.

The bear tried to roll him over, looking for a bite of his face or head, he said. Morris said he tried to play dead but also kept pushing the bear away as it bit and slapped at him.

Finally, the grizzly tore into his left leg ? leaving a deep 9-inch gash ? and tossed him, perhaps five to eight feet, he said.

"I don't know how you can stay still when it sinks its teeth into you," Morris said.

The bear kept picking him up and dropping him and Morris had been bitten more than a dozen times. Then the attack stopped.

His friend fired a shot and the grizzly took off.

Morris and the two others hiked a mile or so back to the car.

The attack came just hours before two Pennsylvania hunters shot a grizzly bear in self defense after bear spray didn't deter the charging bear.

On Monday, Morris said he still didn't understand why the bear attacked him. She was with three cubs, but they weren't under any threat as far as he could tell. Morris wasn't carrying pepper spray, saying he wasn't convinced it's as effective at keeping bears at bay as some claim.

The grizzly was doing more than just defending itself, Morris thinks.

"It was looking at me like I was an easy meal," Morris said.

The doctor told him he can't put pressure or weight on his injured leg for the next month or so and that it could be about a year before it's back to normal. Morris still hopes to fill his elk tag.

"I'm definitely going back out hunting as soon as I can," he said.

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
Montana Football Player Tackled by Grizzly Bear

On Monday, Morris said he still didn't understand why the bear attacked him. She was with three cubs, but they weren't under any threat as far as he could tell. Morris wasn't carrying pepper spray, saying he wasn't convinced it's as effective at keeping bears at bay as some claim.

There's the answer right there.