Bear Hunter Attacked by Wounded Bear!

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: Modular
I'm guessing that they weren't technically out of bullets, but rather that you can't really reload as the bear takes your leg off.

I was in the UP a few months ago and camped in the back country. Had I known that there were 19,000 bears up there, I may not have :)

Right. They were probably using a single shot, bolt action rifles.

I don't hunt, but if I did I would take a pistol with me, proabably one of my 1911s. The fight would have been over quick if either of these boneheads had a pistol with them.

Actually, they would have had time to reload (it should take less than two seconds), but they panicked instead.

It SHOULD take a short ammount of time for a trained rifleman... not everyone who hunts is (apparently).

Also if this "hunter" was carrying his catridges in a pouch lile many novices do there is no way he would be able to remove a cartridge, exspell the spent cartridge, load the new cartridge and fire in 2 seconds.

A trained rifleman - yes, an average hunter - probably not.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
53,101
47,241
136
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

By the time you can really do some damage odds are you're lunchmeat.

Distance + really powerful rifle are your friends.

Of course they are, but we were talking about scatter guns. ;)

I might do it with a USAS-12

text

:p
 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
11,978
0
0
When hunting bear, boar, or any other dangerous animal it is always prudent to carry a large caliber handgun. He found out the hard way, doubt he makes that mistake again.
 

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

By the time you can really do some damage odds are you're lunchmeat.

Distance + really powerful rifle are your friends.

Of course they are, but we were talking about scatter guns. ;)

I might do it with a USAS-12

text

:p

Yeah that would do it, if you can hang on to it! :D
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: Modular
I'm guessing that they weren't technically out of bullets, but rather that you can't really reload as the bear takes your leg off.

I was in the UP a few months ago and camped in the back country. Had I known that there were 19,000 bears up there, I may not have :)

Right. They were probably using a single shot, bolt action rifles.

I don't hunt, but if I did I would take a pistol with me, proabably one of my 1911s. The fight would have been over quick if either of these boneheads had a pistol with them.

A 1911 would be woefully inadequate against a 430lb bear. When you shoot an animal with the intent of bringing it down quickly you aim for the shoulder area or a headshot if it is charging you and .45 ACP is a very poor choice for this. Edit-I'd carry a .44 Magnum for bear at the very least.

BTW-Most bolt action hunting rifles hold 3 rounds.
 

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: Modular
I'm guessing that they weren't technically out of bullets, but rather that you can't really reload as the bear takes your leg off.

I was in the UP a few months ago and camped in the back country. Had I known that there were 19,000 bears up there, I may not have :)

Right. They were probably using a single shot, bolt action rifles.

I don't hunt, but if I did I would take a pistol with me, proabably one of my 1911s. The fight would have been over quick if either of these boneheads had a pistol with them.

A 1911 would be woefully inadequate against a 430lb bear. When you shoot an animal with the intent of bringing it down quickly you aim for the shoulder area or a headshot if it is charging you and .45 ACP is a very poor choice for this. Edit-I'd carry a .44 Magnum for bear at the very least.

BTW-Most bolt action hunting rifles hold 3 rounds.

Well like I said, I am not a hunter and don't claim to be. I find it VERY hard to believe that a bear of any size would survive multiple well placed rounds of 230 grain, JHP .45 ACP. I would like to see the bear capable of withstanding that kind of pounding.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: Modular
I'm guessing that they weren't technically out of bullets, but rather that you can't really reload as the bear takes your leg off.

I was in the UP a few months ago and camped in the back country. Had I known that there were 19,000 bears up there, I may not have :)

Right. They were probably using a single shot, bolt action rifles.

I don't hunt, but if I did I would take a pistol with me, proabably one of my 1911s. The fight would have been over quick if either of these boneheads had a pistol with them.

A 1911 would be woefully inadequate against a 430lb bear. When you shoot an animal with the intent of bringing it down quickly you aim for the shoulder area or a headshot if it is charging you and .45 ACP is a very poor choice for this. Edit-I'd carry a .44 Magnum for bear at the very least.

BTW-Most bolt action hunting rifles hold 3 rounds.

Well like I said, I am not a hunter and don't claim to be. I find it VERY hard to believe that a bear of any size would survive multiple well placed rounds of 230 grain, JHP .45 ACP. I would like to see the bear capable of withstanding that kind of pounding.

Oh man, hollow points? Bad idea...

You do realize that the .45 ACP is a very slow round right? A bear's head and hide are very thick and the bone structure is massive. If you are intent on carrying a .45 I'd load it with the largest heaviest FMJ bullet you can find and push it with +P rated ammo. There is no way I'd stick hollow points in there though...unless you save the last one for yourself. ;)
 

hanoverphist

Diamond Member
Dec 7, 2006
9,867
23
76
Originally posted by: Turin39789
how the hell did he run out of bullets?

thats what i was thinking... also, if im down to one shot, im not going to use it on a bear in a tree. one running after me sure, but not one i can avoid.
 

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
Slow relative to what? The space shuttle? 900 f/s is more than enough. You just sound like a .45 hater. I bet you love 10mm. :)

Have fun!
 

hanoverphist

Diamond Member
Dec 7, 2006
9,867
23
76
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

By the time you can really do some damage odds are you're lunchmeat.

Distance + really powerful rifle are your friends.

i thought slugs from a shotgun were plenty powerful? ive never used slugs in a shotgun, and my shotgun use is limited... id have had a bit more of a rile on me, and none of mine are single shot. but youd think a few slugs to a bears chest/ head would at least do some damage.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Slow relative to what? The space shuttle? 900 f/s is more than enough. You just sound like a .45 hater. I bet you love 10mm. :)

Have fun!

You aren't carrying a space shuttle gun though. Slow relative to the .44 Magnum which moves at more than twice the speed of a .45 ACP and I wouldn't use hollow points in any caliber against bear. You need something that can punch through a bears tough hide and break bones if you want to stop it. Not something designed to cause soft tissue damage in human flesh, which is what hollow points are designed to do.

I'm not a .45 hater, in fact, I own two handguns chambered in .45 ACP (a Colt and a Para-Ordnance) but when I go camping my S&W .44 Magnum is the only gun I carry with me. I don't own a 10mm.

Here's a short interesting read on what to carry in bear country.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

Buck shot wouldn't do anything to a bear. You need slugs if you plan on using a shotgun to take down a bear and even that isn't going to "blow off its head/arm."

I'd recommend you stay out of bear country because you seem to know very little about them.
 

OS

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
15,581
1
76
i think i said in my story that guy was using slugs, though that apparently is still barely adequate.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: OS
i think i said in my story that guy was using slugs, though that apparently is still barely adequate.

I was responding to Pale Rider's post that he could blow a bear's head off with buckshot at point blank range. I think he's been playing too many video games and he seems to think that every animal on the planet is as frail and easy to kill as humans are.

BTW-Have you ever shot a 3.5" magnum slug out of a pump action 12 gauge shotgun? It is full of shoulder bruising goodness. :laugh:
 

OS

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
15,581
1
76
yeah that was not meant for you at all, i was just saying in general.
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
18,422
5
81
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Slow relative to what? The space shuttle? 900 f/s is more than enough. You just sound like a .45 hater. I bet you love 10mm. :)

Have fun!

You aren't carrying a space shuttle gun though. Slow relative to the .44 Magnum which moves at more than twice the speed of a .45 ACP and I wouldn't use hollow points in any caliber against bear. You need something that can punch through a bears tough hide and break bones if you want to stop it. Not something designed to cause soft tissue damage in human flesh, which is what hollow points are designed to do.

I'm not a .45 hater, in fact, I own two handguns chambered in .45 ACP (a Colt and a Para-Ordnance) but when I go camping my S&W .44 Magnum is the only gun I carry with me. I don't own a 10mm.

Here's a short interesting read on what to carry in bear country.

Didn't bother reading your link, but 44 mag, 10mm, or a bare minimum 357mag as a hunting sidearm.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Slow relative to what? The space shuttle? 900 f/s is more than enough. You just sound like a .45 hater. I bet you love 10mm. :)

Have fun!

You aren't carrying a space shuttle gun though. Slow relative to the .44 Magnum which moves at more than twice the speed of a .45 ACP and I wouldn't use hollow points in any caliber against bear. You need something that can punch through a bears tough hide and break bones if you want to stop it. Not something designed to cause soft tissue damage in human flesh, which is what hollow points are designed to do.

I'm not a .45 hater, in fact, I own two handguns chambered in .45 ACP (a Colt and a Para-Ordnance) but when I go camping my S&W .44 Magnum is the only gun I carry with me. I don't own a 10mm.

Here's a short interesting read on what to carry in bear country.

Didn't bother reading your link, but 44 mag, 10mm, or a bare minimum 357mag as a hunting sidearm.

Here are a couple of quotes:

Look, a bear is big, mean, and tough. Some have likened it's skull to 'armour plate' while others have claimed that bears are as big (and a whole lot tougher) than a VW bug. Don't mess with a bear. Period. All a 9mm/7.62*39/.357/.45ACP/etc. will do is annoy it, at worst. If you are lucky, it will ignore it and not notice you. Bears can travel at 30mph+, so don't even think about such fanciful things as, "I'll shoot it in the eye." If you want to hunt bear, bring a BIG, BIG caliber - try at least .338 Winchester Magnum, maybe more. Forestry types usually carry at least .357, more often .44 magnum, and that is only for emergency situations.

There are many differing opinions about what makes a suitable bear defense gun, but the truth is that so long as certain guidelines are adhered to, the actual caliber selection is not all that important. Bears, especially brown bears (referring to the species, both black bears and "grizzlies" can range in color from tan to dark black), have a nasty ability to absorb amazing amounts of lead with no apparent loss of power or mobility. There have been many cases of attacks in which a mortally wounded bear has continued to maul its victim(s), before crawling off to die itself, even when hit in the vitals with a "stopping" rifle caliber. The following are my opinions only on what makes a suitable bear defense gun, and should be treated as such.

From what I have observed, opinion seems to be fairly evenly divided between those favoring the use of a high-powered rifle and those advocating 12 gauge slugs, with the rifle faction holding a slight edge. With a shotgun, you will want a pump action with a fairly short barrel using foster-type slugs, extended magazine optional. Unless you are highly trained in their use, stay away from pistol grips; while they make carrying it much easier, in the unlikely event that you need the gun they could easily cause you to miss, and with a bear you will not get a second chance. If you choose to carry a rifle, a good reliable bolt action in the 7mm, 30-06 range on up should be adequate, the upper limit determined by the competence of the shooter. If you can handle the larger calibers then go ahead and use them, but with bears bullet placement is MUCH more important than incremental increases in power. Stick to the heavier bullets for a given caliber; you want all of the penetration you can get. For a pure bear defense weapon, stay away from scopes. Open sights are much faster, and within the close ranges at which bear defense takes place, they are more than adequate; whereas a scope in which you can see nothing but indistinguishable hair is useless. I would not choose a semi-automatic rifle or shotgun, besides being heavier to carry around, to me the possibility of a jam is unacceptable. My personal choice is an old, beat up Savage 110 in .30-06 with open sights, though I have often considered putting a shorter barrel on my 12 gauge and using it instead.

Pistols are a really bad idea for bear defense, in my opinion. While some pistols are certainly better than others, these are generally much more difficult to control than a rifle, while being much less effective. The only times when I would consider a pistol is if I were involved in some activity which made carrying a rifle not only impractical, but impossible. One example of this type of situation is my brother, who often fishes from a float tube or with chest waders in deep water. I avoid the problem by using a canoe. Out of the people I know who do carry pistols for bear protection virtually all of them have a rifle or shotgun of some kind nearby, and the pistol is only a backup weapon. A good minimum pistol caliber is .44 Magnum, though some are comfortable with a .357.
 

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

Buck shot wouldn't do anything to a bear. You need slugs if you plan on using a shotgun to take down a bear and even that isn't going to "blow off its head/arm."

I'd recommend you stay out of bear country because you seem to know very little about them.

Hah. A little pretentious aren't you? Point blank - aka 3-5 feet with a shotgun will blow through a bear or any other creature. :)
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
18,422
5
81
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Here are a couple of quotes:

Still too much reading but I think you're confusing my "sidearm" backup pistol comment with the primary hunting round.
 

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
Great bear links, let me go google bear hunting so I can come back and be a bear hunting expert. Then I can tell others who haven't googled bear stories how wrong they are...

By the way, stay outa bear country! Don't forget your laptop!
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,586
986
126
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

Buck shot wouldn't do anything to a bear. You need slugs if you plan on using a shotgun to take down a bear and even that isn't going to "blow off its head/arm."

I'd recommend you stay out of bear country because you seem to know very little about them.

Hah. A little pretentious aren't you? Point blank - aka 3-5 feet with a shotgun will blow through a bear or any other creature. :)

No, I'm just right. :p Read the link I posted and/or do a search on the subject if you think I'm wrong.

Shooting a 430lb bear from 3-5' with a shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot will just piss it off. You might get lucky but it is more likely that you'll end up as bear food.
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
18,422
5
81
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: OS
i was reading some story other day about a ranger out to get a grizzly. Said that guy emptied out an entire shotgun mag full of slugs while the grizzly was charging him and it literally fell at his feet. :Q don't f with the bear

Anyone who tries to hunt a grizzly with a shotgun is begging to be eaten.

+1 Unless you can fire point blank with buck shot and litterally blow off it's head/arm or blow a hole in it's chest you are dead. From a distance I imagine it would just piss the griz off.

Buck shot wouldn't do anything to a bear. You need slugs if you plan on using a shotgun to take down a bear and even that isn't going to "blow off its head/arm."

I'd recommend you stay out of bear country because you seem to know very little about them.

Hah. A little pretentious aren't you? Point blank - aka 3-5 feet with a shotgun will blow through a bear or any other creature. :)

It probably would, but I'm not going to wait for the bear to come that close when its charging in at 30mph. If you were hunting, you'd also have a rifle. Would you really be lugging around 2 long guns?
 

HannibalX

Diamond Member
May 12, 2000
9,359
2
0
The shot gun at point blank was a response to an earlier post about a park ranger killing a bear with a shot gun. (ei - read above).

Obviously, no sane person would go HUNT a bear with a shotgun...