Originally posted by: meltdown75
The only delusion in this conversation is that Michigan is not competitive.
You havent given a single reason why any sane person would consider them so.
You havent given a single reason why any sane person would consider them so.
Not really. Tressel will own Miles. Les "The Hat" Miles is a buffoon. He's just luckiest coach in college football.
Originally posted by: Train
oh wow, they beat up the worst ND team in history, thats so competitive! Way to pick yourself up and get back in it guys.
uhh, no theres not. Competitive = not choking. What has UM actually accomplished this century? A bowl win over Alabama? A lucky streak against penn state? because I can't think of anyhting else. When's the last time Michigan actually finished a season ranked higher (or even close) to thier prepetually lofty preseason rankings? Basically they under-perform every year.
Hate them, yes. But believe in Carr? After the crap hes churned out this century? All "reason" points to no.Don't get your hate for the maize & blue cloud your reason
The OSU-UM game is gonna get boring if you guys don't drop that guy. Were gonna have to start calling the OSU-PSU game the greatest rivalry in sports.
Oh please. I know (or at least hope) you're being sarcastic, but OSU-PSU is not even close when talking about the big rivalries. Just off the top of my head, I can think of 4 rivalries bigger than that game and that's without even leaving the SEC.
Originally posted by: meltdown75
The only delusion in this conversation is that Michigan is not competitive.
He has a point. Sure, Michigan hangs around during the regular season and every team including Michigan is going to strive to win their games; but when they simply don't win the games they value you the most...then its all for naught. It doesn't matter how hard Michigan tries to beat OSU or win their bowl games, if they aren't winning those games, they simply aren't winning. Even if they perennially keep the scores close, that still doesn't matter if it doesn't end up a 'W' in their favor.
"Do... or do not. There is no try"
it will be interesting to see if OSU can win out this year and reach the NC game, I wouldn't be shocked if Oregon gets to the NC game and puts the same hurting on OSU that they did on Michigan, Oregon runs the spread better than Florida did last year, Florida's defense was probably better but we'll see
OSU and PSU both have 110k seat stadiums, they arent just "southeastern big" they are "really big" not to mention MUCH bigger fan bases than any SEC school. I know SEC people like to think they have something amazing going on down there but thats just because most southerners refuse to pay attention to anything north of the mason dixon line.
Anyone who thinks that Michigan should get rid of Carr should look at Nebraska since they got rid of Solich.
This is probably the only time in my life I will agree with Feldenak, but OSU-PSU is not a big rivalry. Ohio State - Michigan definitely is, but don't push your luck with OSU-PSU. They've only played 20 times, total.
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I really really really (infinity) hate the college system. It's gotten bad enough that I'm getting to where I hate college football. The SEC is basically screwed if Ohio St. and BC win out. Even last year it was impossible for the obviously dominant Florida to go undefeated throughout the season.
We need a playoff. I'd really like to know what the odds makers think as far as LSU vs. ANYONE in the national title game. Hell, I'd rather the odds makers put together a top 25 poll than some idiotic sports writers/coaches/random people (Harris). It would more than likely be far more realistic than the crap we have now.
We need a playoff. I'd really like to know what the odds makers think as far as LSU vs. ANYONE in the national title game. Hell, I'd rather the odds makers put together a top 25 poll than some idiotic sports writers/coaches/random people (Harris). It would more than likely be far more realistic than the crap we have now.
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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: meltdown75
The only delusion in this conversation is that Michigan is not competitive.
He has a point. Sure, Michigan hangs around during the regular season and every team including Michigan is going to strive to win their games; but when they simply don't win the games they value you the most...then its all for naught. It doesn't matter how hard Michigan tries to beat OSU or win their bowl games, if they aren't winning those games, they simply aren't winning. Even if they perennially keep the scores close, that still doesn't matter if it doesn't end up a 'W' in their favor.
"Do... or do not. There is no try"
I find it interesting that Michigan only became competitive when they beat a horrible Notre Dame team and began their trek through the awesomeness that is the over-powered Big 10 conference. /yawn
How is the sec screwed if BC and OSU win out (i dont think BC will win out), Lsu should have beaten kentucky, which as it turns out wasn't that good, if there are 2 undefeated teams from bcs conferences then they should be given the nod over a 1 loss team from any conference, if there are multiple one loss teams, then i agree, an SEC team should get the nod since their conference is stronger.
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If you admit the conference is stronger then why should 1 loss automatically count them out if there are two undefeated teams? Let's face it, some people want to call the regular season a playoff but we all know that is a joke. If all teams played the same schedule then I would agree. But anyone who tries to tell me BC is a more deserving team than LSU because they are undefeated just doesn't feel the pain of an SEC fan trying to enjoy a sport that is skewed against their conference.
I read somewhere (recently) that oddsmakers were approximately 2% better at predicting results then the polls.
Here are ratings (before last week) based on the odds: http://www.nutshellsports.com/predictions.html
Not sure if an OSU fan (probably another no-connect) should be dismissing the most challenging opponent their team plays in 2007 as non-competitive...?
Yeah... that's not going to happen. Good as you think your defense it's not better than USC's and you're not going to stop Oregon's offense. Better start warming up to that idea
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I guess it all comes down to needing a playoff. Let's put it into perspective: Last year everyone touted the dominance of OSU and Michigan and cried 'Are you going to come whine on the forums when OSU destroys your Florida Gators?' We all know how that turned out.
That's the problem with this stupid system. It rewards mediocrity without knowing for sure if it is or is not mediocrity. OSU proved last year that the Big 10 and it's supposed speed was overrated all season. Did you see just how slow Troy Smith looked against the Gators? Holy crap.
We will never know who the best team is unless the top team from the top 6 conferences plus 2 at large meet in an 8 team playoff.
it didn't, having Virgina, south carolina, kentucky, usf, florida, and some other teams all lose did.
if they had had the championship the week after the regular season, ohio would have won no problem. instead they slacked off for a month and got rusty, don't expect that to happen again.
I knew you'd go Bucktastic with that comment. I was born and raised in Big Ten country (East Liverpool, OH) and lived in SEC country for 15 years (attended Auburn after HS and lived in AL 1992-2007). Comparing stadium size to determine a rivalry is ridiculous. Without even thinking about it I can come up with 3 rivalries that are much bigger than OSU-PSU:
1)Auburn-Alabama
2)Alabama-Tennessee
3)Auburn-LSU
I've been to big games in both conferences. My little brother is an OSU alum and when I got him to come down for a couple of Auburn games he agreed....OSU-UM is a huge rivalry, but week-in and week-out the Big Ten doesn't hold a candle to the SEC in regards to intensity and fierce rivalries. OSU-PSU isn't even a blip on the radar when talking about good rivalries...hell, PSU wasn't even in the Big Ten until recently (early 90's, right?).
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I don't think OSU is a better team. I think they'll beat Oregon.Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Yeah... that's not going to happen. Good as you think your defense it's not better than USC's and you're not going to stop Oregon's offense. Better start warming up to that idea
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