BCS standings released, 10/29/2007

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: AZGamer
Ohio State will beat Michigan. Michigan is no longer competitive under Lloyd Carr; I would be shocked if he didn't "resign" between seasons.

I think Hawaii needs to be ranked higher. Never take being undefeated for granted.

How is Michigan no longer competitive? He probably will resign but we already knew that before this season.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: AZGamer
Ohio State will beat Michigan. Michigan is no longer competitive under Lloyd Carr; I would be shocked if he didn't "resign" between seasons.

I think Hawaii needs to be ranked higher. Never take being undefeated for granted.

How is Michigan no longer competitive? He probably will resign but we already knew that before this season.

Over the last 6 years:

1 - 5 Against Arch Rival
1 - 5 Bowl Games

For a program that perenially has some of the best raw talent in the nation, those results are a crime.

Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

GO JAYHAWKS

yeah, good call Mikey!

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

1. He's still better than Carr.
2. He hasn't had Michigan's talent and depth to work with.

I'm not saying he's gonna be Michigan's savior, but ditching Carr in favor of him might at least be a step in the positive direction.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

1. He's still better than Carr.
2. He hasn't had Michigan's talent and depth to work with.

I'm not saying he's gonna be Michigan's savior, but ditching Carr in favor of him might at least be a step in the positive direction.

LSU's loaded with talent.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: AZGamer
I think Hawaii needs to be ranked higher. Never take being undefeated for granted.

I can't tell if you're joking or not, but don't under estimate the importance of having the easiest schedule in Division I-FBS. According to Ken Massey's ratings (one of the BCS computers) Hawaii has the 178th hardest schedule in all of the NCAA (regardless of division). There are only 120 teams in the I-FBS division, so Hawaii might as well be playing local high schools.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

1. He's still better than Carr.
2. He hasn't had Michigan's talent and depth to work with.

I'm not saying he's gonna be Michigan's savior, but ditching Carr in favor of him might at least be a step in the positive direction.

Back to the good ol' "Big 2, little 8". I would love to have another great, intense rivalry session with that team up North. Tressel is well on his way to having his own Dynasty. Barring some massive screw-ups, I can easily see him staying at OSU just as long as JoPa has stayed at Penn St. A long-running, solid coach at that school up North can only help the legends of both schools.

ZV

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

As a LSU fan for the last 20+ years...way back when they were awful <late 80s and early 90s> and here is my observation.

Miles is NOT a bad coach, not at all but he should and could do much better with all the talents and skills he has on hand...ie..he is good but may be not great to win the big prize <NC>. This is just on top of my head:

2005 - Tenn game (at LSU), everyone knew it that LSU should win that game.
2006 - LSU should and could win both games at Auburn and Florida (or at least 1 out of 2) then they could be in the NC vs. OSU.
2007 - Kentucky game, need I say more? LSU was very lucky in the Auburn game <bad time management> and barely squeeze by Florida <both games were at home...imagine if both games were on the road>.

I feel LSU now is just like KC of the NFL, good enough to get to the playoff <bowl games> almost every year but not good enough to win the big prize.

We will see how well they play this weekend <vs. Bama then vs. Ark and SEC championship>.

Last but not least....my 3000th post...I am a Diamond now..LOL.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
LSU's loaded with talent.

I know they are. But "loaded with talent" applies to about 20 or 30 D-I schools. When your talking year in year out Michigan kind of talent, the only school over the last 10 years that even holds a candle to Michigan is USC.

Theres really only a few schools that can recruit nationally every year. Michigan was one of them, but slowly losing it. USC is up there. Notre Dame used to be up there and might not far away from coming back. OSU might be up there if they can keep returning to the NC every year.

Now keep in mind I'm not talking recruited by the NFL kind of talent, OSU, USC, and not so much anymore Miami FL, rule the roost in that respect. But recruited talent. The problem with Carr is he takes amazing recruits, and under utilizes them. There have been so many insanely talented recievers that could have had 2,000 yard seasons in a spread offense, instead they run around doing nothing while Carr sends a horse up the middle for 3 yards on every play.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

1. He's still better than Carr.
2. He hasn't had Michigan's talent and depth to work with.

I'm not saying he's gonna be Michigan's savior, but ditching Carr in favor of him might at least be a step in the positive direction.

Back to the good ol' "Big 2, little 8". I would love to have another great, intense rivalry session with that team up North. Tressel is well on his way to having his own Dynasty. Barring some massive screw-ups, I can easily see him staying at OSU just as long as JoPa has stayed at Penn St. A long-running, solid coach at that school up North can only help the legends of both schools.

ZV

He stated in his 1st season that being head coach at OSU was his dream job and planned on staying there until he either dies or decides to retire.

Edit: back before they hired Tressel, I had heard OSU was courting Bob Stoops, and Oklahoma fans were pretty ticked. I'm kinda glad they went in-state and recognized a good coach even though he was D-1AA

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: AZGamer
Ohio State will beat Michigan. Michigan is no longer competitive under Lloyd Carr; I would be shocked if he didn't "resign" between seasons.

I think Hawaii needs to be ranked higher. Never take being undefeated for granted.

How is Michigan no longer competitive? He probably will resign but we already knew that before this season.

Over the last 6 years:

1 - 5 Against Arch Rival
1 - 5 Bowl Games

For a program that perenially has some of the best raw talent in the nation, those results are a crime.

Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

You're still on crack if you think they're "not competitive" though.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: Svnla

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Train
Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

The funny thing is that many LSU fans feel that Miles can't consistently win, he'll get upset once or twice a year.

Be careful what you wish for.

As a LSU fan for the last 20+ years...way back when they were awful <late 80s and early 90s> and here is my observation.

Miles is NOT a bad coach, not at all but he should and could do much better with all the talents and skills he has on hand...ie..he is good but may be not great to win the big prize <NC>. This is just on top of my head:

2005 - Tenn game (at LSU), everyone knew it that LSU should win that game.
2006 - LSU should and could win both games at Auburn and Florida (or at least 1 out of 2) then they could be in the NC vs. OSU.
2007 - Kentucky game, need I say more? LSU was very lucky in the Auburn game <bad time management> and barely squeeze by Florida <both games were at home...imagine if both games were on the road>.

I feel LSU now is just like KC of the NFL, good enough to get to the playoff <bowl games> almost every year but not good enough to win the big prize.

We will see how well they play this weekend <vs. Bama then vs. Ark and SEC championship>.

Last but not least....my 3000th post...I am a Diamond now..LOL.

Have you watched any LSU games recently? Miles is not a bad coach? Miles is a God-awful coach who's constantly getting lucky. Honestly, that guys makes bad decision after bad decision and it' always works out somehow. If the coin was landing the other way this season LSU could easily be 5-3 and unranked and any honest fan who's actually watched these games will admit that.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Gibsons
LSU's loaded with talent.

I know they are. But "loaded with talent" applies to about 20 or 30 D-I schools. When your talking year in year out Michigan kind of talent, the only school over the last 10 years that even holds a candle to Michigan is USC.

Theres really only a few schools that can recruit nationally every year. Michigan was one of them, but slowly losing it. USC is up there. Notre Dame used to be up there and might not far away from coming back. OSU might be up there if they can keep returning to the NC every year.

Now keep in mind I'm not talking recruited by the NFL kind of talent, OSU, USC, and not so much anymore Miami FL, rule the roost in that respect. But recruited talent. The problem with Carr is he takes amazing recruits, and under utilizes them. There have been so many insanely talented recievers that could have had 2,000 yard seasons in a spread offense, instead they run around doing nothing while Carr sends a horse up the middle for 3 yards on every play.

LSU had 4 first round draft picks last year, I don't think Michigan ever has. Whatever Miles problems might be, it's not lack of talent.

Granted Michigan might have an advantage over LSU in bringing in overall talent, but it's not that big.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: AZGamer
Ohio State will beat Michigan. Michigan is no longer competitive under Lloyd Carr; I would be shocked if he didn't "resign" between seasons.

I think Hawaii needs to be ranked higher. Never take being undefeated for granted.

How is Michigan no longer competitive? He probably will resign but we already knew that before this season.

Over the last 6 years:

1 - 5 Against Arch Rival
1 - 5 Bowl Games

For a program that perenially has some of the best raw talent in the nation, those results are a crime.

Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

You're still on crack if you think they're "not competitive" though.

How in the hell is 2 and 10 in your most important games competitive? If not having faith in 2-10 makes me a crack head, then pass me the pipe bro.

I mean c'mon, your ranked 5th in the nation then lose to a D-1AA school? In the big house?

 

[Svnla]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Have you watched any LSU games recently? Miles is not a bad coach? Miles is a God-awful coach who's constantly getting lucky. Honestly, that guys makes bad decision after bad decision and it' always works out somehow. If the coin was landing the other way this season LSU could easily be 5-3 and unranked and any honest fan who's actually watched these games will admit that.

Yup, I watched all LSU games this year. Yup, he was very lucky with the Auburn game <see my previous post>. Was he lucky or crazy with Florida game? 5 for 5 on 4th down...you make the call. Kentucky game...yup, they should won that game for sure but they blew it...the run plays worked at Florida game but didn't that time.

Even if LSU is 5-3 now, they still be ranked in the low end...Florida is 5-3 and 20th on BCS poll.

Like I said before, Miles SHOULD and COULD do a lot better with all the skills and talents he has or maybe he is not good enough to win THE big games.

BTW....was this the coach fault when LaFell and other receivers kept dropping passes...when Perrilloux couch up the ball without any hard hits..<he may not play this weekend at all..in trouble with the law again>....injuries <especially on Flynn> and on and on...

Last time I checked, LSU went to big major bowl games under Miles...You want to talk about bad coach...Curly anyone?

Coaches can coach until they are blue in the face but the PLAYERS HAVE TO MAKE THE PLAYS...especially when it counts.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Gibsons
LSU's loaded with talent.

I know they are. But "loaded with talent" applies to about 20 or 30 D-I schools. When your talking year in year out Michigan kind of talent, the only school over the last 10 years that even holds a candle to Michigan is USC.

I can't find recruiting rankings that go back 10 years, but going back 5 years, there are several teams that "hold a candle" to Michigan.

According to Rivals.com:

Michigan has had 1 top 5 recruiting class since 2002 (2004) and has averaged 11.5. LSU has had 3 top 5 recruiting classes and averages 8.5. USC has had 5 straight top 5 recruiting classes and averages 3.5. Florida has had 3 top 5 recruiting classes and averages 7.8. Texas has had 3 top 5 recruiting classes and averages 9.3. Oklahoma has had 2 top 5 recruiting classes and averages 7.5.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: AZGamer
Ohio State will beat Michigan. Michigan is no longer competitive under Lloyd Carr; I would be shocked if he didn't "resign" between seasons.

I think Hawaii needs to be ranked higher. Never take being undefeated for granted.

How is Michigan no longer competitive? He probably will resign but we already knew that before this season.

Over the last 6 years:

1 - 5 Against Arch Rival
1 - 5 Bowl Games

For a program that perenially has some of the best raw talent in the nation, those results are a crime.

Rumor has it Les Miles wants to return to his home state of Michigan. We could have another 10 years war on our hands with Tressel vs Miles.

You're still on crack if you think they're "not competitive" though.

How in the hell is 2 and 10 in your most important games competitive? If not having faith in 2-10 makes me a crack head, then pass me the pipe bro.

I mean c'mon, your ranked 5th in the nation then lose to a D-1AA school? In the big house?

If they weren't competitive they would have just rolled over after week 2. There's a big difference between choking in your bowl games and not being competitive. Don't get your hate for the maize & blue cloud your reason

 

[Svnla]

LSU record under Miles (includes bowl games)

2005-06 = 11 wins with Peach Bowl and ranked in the top 5 IIRC
2006-07 = 11 wins with Sugar Bowl and ranked #3
2007-08 = 7-1 for now (#3) and even if LSU gets beat by Bama and Ark, they could end up 9-3 and go to a major bowl.

I bet you that 99% Div I football coaches would love to have that record.

Like I said, Miles should and could do a lot better but we will see if he will win the big one or he will leave and head North.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If they weren't competitive they would have just rolled over after week 2.

oh wow, they beat up the worst ND team in history, thats so competitive! Way to pick yourself up and get back in it guys.

There's a big difference between choking in your bowl games and not being competitive.

uhh, no theres not. Competitive = not choking. What has UM actually accomplished this century? A bowl win over Alabama? A lucky streak against penn state? because I can't think of anyhting else. When's the last time Michigan actually finished a season ranked higher (or even close) to thier prepetually lofty preseason rankings? Basically they under-perform every year.

Don't get your hate for the maize & blue cloud your reason

Hate them, yes. But believe in Carr? After the crap hes churned out this century? All "reason" points to no.

The OSU-UM game is gonna get boring if you guys don't drop that guy. Were gonna have to start calling the OSU-PSU game the greatest rivalry in sports.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If they weren't competitive they would have just rolled over after week 2.

oh wow, they beat up the worst ND team in history, thats so competitive! Way to pick yourself up and get back in it guys.

There's a big difference between choking in your bowl games and not being competitive.

uhh, no theres not. Competitive = not choking. What has UM actually accomplished this century? A bowl win over Alabama? A lucky streak against penn state? because I can't think of anyhting else. When's the last time Michigan actually finished a season ranked higher (or even close) to thier prepetually lofty preseason rankings? Basically they under-perform every year.

Don't get your hate for the maize & blue cloud your reason

Hate them, yes. But believe in Carr? After the crap hes churned out this century? All "reason" points to no.

The OSU-UM game is gonna get boring if you guys don't drop that guy. Were gonna have to start calling the OSU-PSU game the greatest rivalry in sports.

Get it all out, Buckeye homer

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Train
He stated in his 1st season that being head coach at OSU was his dream job and planned on staying there until he either dies or decides to retire.

Cooper didn't want to leave either. I definitely don't see Tressel choosing to leave, but remember how good Carr looked back when he kept beating Cooper? And now look at what fans of that team up North think of Carr. OSU is no less ruthless and I can see problems for Tressel if things slide.

That said, my prediction so far is that Tressel is a very solid bet to become the next Woody Hayes. He's already practically deified on the OSU campus.

ZV

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: meltdown75
If they weren't competitive they would have just rolled over after week 2.

oh wow, they beat up the worst ND team in history, thats so competitive! Way to pick yourself up and get back in it guys.

There's a big difference between choking in your bowl games and not being competitive.

uhh, no theres not. Competitive = not choking. What has UM actually accomplished this century? A bowl win over Alabama? A lucky streak against penn state? because I can't think of anyhting else. When's the last time Michigan actually finished a season ranked higher (or even close) to thier prepetually lofty preseason rankings? Basically they under-perform every year.

Don't get your hate for the maize & blue cloud your reason

Hate them, yes. But believe in Carr? After the crap hes churned out this century? All "reason" points to no.

The OSU-UM game is gonna get boring if you guys don't drop that guy. Were gonna have to start calling the OSU-PSU game the greatest rivalry in sports.

Get it all out, Buckeye homer

It's ok, I used to suffer from the same delusions before OSU fired Cooper.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Train
He stated in his 1st season that being head coach at OSU was his dream job and planned on staying there until he either dies or decides to retire.

Cooper didn't want to leave either. I definitely don't see Tressel choosing to leave, but remember how good Carr looked back when he kept beating Cooper? And now look at what fans of that team up North think of Carr. OSU is no less ruthless and I can see problems for Tressel if things slide.

That said, my prediction so far is that Tressel is a very solid bet to become the next Woody Hayes. He's already practically deified on the OSU campus.

ZV

Well of course I left out the other possibility, that he could get FIRED. But Cooper wasnt fired for losing to Michigan (though it didn't help) His teams discipline was down the tubes, players had scandals off campus and in the classrooms. His final bowl game was totally unsportsman like (lots of facemasks, late hits, etc), he really lost control of his players. Tressel's undoing definetly wont be his players getting out of line.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: Train
It's ok, I used to suffer from the same delusions before OSU fired Cooper.

The only delusion in this conversation is that Michigan is not competitive.