BBC: North Korea has canceled high level talks with South Korea

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FIVR

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If Kim is smart he will not open the talks again until the US stops all exercises with South Korea. He gave up those prisoners so he has shown the world that he can act in good faith, now it is up to the US to also act in good faith and stop its military from antagonizing North Korea.


I don't think Trump actually has any control over the US military so I have my doubts that talks will resume at all.
 

MrSquished

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Kim ain't stupid. They totally call out the U.S. and single out Bolton.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/asia/north-korea-trump-talks-intl/index.html

"North Korea has threatened to abandon planned talks between leader Kim Jong Un and US President Donald Trump in June if Washington insists on pushing it "into a corner" on nuclear disarmament.

A statement published by the state-run Korea Central News Agency (KCNA) said North Korea would never accept economic assistance from the US in exchange for unilaterally abandoning its nuclear program.
Kim Kye Gwan, North Korea's First Vice Minister of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, was quoted in the article as saying the US said "it would offer economic compensation and benefit in case we abandon (nuclear weapons)."
"We have never had any expectation of US support in carrying out our economic construction and will not... make such a deal in future," he added....

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The statement referenced comments made by Trump's national security adviser John Bolton about Libya being a potential model for North Korean denuclearization.
In December 2003, after months of negotiations with the US, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi agreed to dismantle his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs. Eight years later, after Washington soured on Gadhafi, NATO forces helped overthrow him, and he was later cornered by rebels who beat and abused him before summarily shooting him in the head.

Pyongyang has referenced multiple times in the past its perceived need for a strong nuclear deterrent is based on US military aggression in the Middle East and elsewhere.

Bolton's comments, Kim said, were indicative of "an awfully sinister move to impose on our dignified state the destiny of Libya or Iraq which had been collapsed due to yielding the whole of their countries to big powers."
"It is absolutely absurd to dare compare (North Korea), a nuclear weapon state, to Libya which had been at the initial stage of nuclear development," he added. "(The) world knows too well that our country is neither Libya nor Iraq which have met miserable fate."

Singling out the national security adviser for personal criticism, Kim said that North Korea had "shed light on the quality of (John) Bolton already in the past, and we do not hide our feeling of repugnance towards him."
Some analysts suggested that by focusing its statement so much on Bolton, rather than Trump, North Korea could be hoping to pressure the US President into sidelining his national security adviser.
Trump has talked up his achievements with North Korea, even encouraging crowds to chant "Nobel! Nobel!" at rallies.".....

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CNN Beijing bureau chief Tim Schwarz, who has visited North Korea multiple times, said the "suggestion from the Trump administration that North Korea can be bought is also something that infuriates Pyongyang."
"North Korea would never admit that economic pressure has forced it to consider giving up its nukes. Its whole self identity is built on self-reliance," he added.

"North Korea has been extremely restrained in its public announcements since agreeing to the South Korea and the US summits. Now it appears to be annoyed that it is being seen as soft ahead of the main event in Singapore in June and this could be seen as reminding people that it is no walkover."

Other analysts agreed. Oliver Hotham, managing editor of Korea Risk, said there was "bound to be some push-back from the North Koreans eventually."
"The Trump admin has been acting like denuclearisation is a done deal, talking about economic incentives and shipping North Korean nuke hardware out of the country," he said. "Now the North Koreans are making it clear this is not going to be a cakewalk and they can play tough too.".....
 

TheVrolok

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Wait wait wait, are we saying discussion of Trumps Nobel before actually accomplishing anything whatsoever is a bit premature? Shocking.
 
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K1052

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I bet the summit still happens since Trump really really wants it but it appears what NK is prepared to give up, seemingly with China's backing, is limited.

Who could have foreseen this?
Oh right, everybody.
 
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HomerJS

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Fox News will begin today conditioning their lemmings on the new meaning of denuclearization.
 

FIVR

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The statement referenced comments made by Trump's national security adviser John Bolton about Libya being a potential model for North Korean denuclearization.
In December 2003, after months of negotiations with the US, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi agreed to dismantle his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs. Eight years later, after Washington soured on Gadhafi, NATO forces helped overthrow him, and he was later cornered by rebels who beat and abused him before summarily shooting him in the head.

He was actually anally raped with a large knife on video. Then he was dragged bleeding through the streets while the crowd beat him. He was dead by the time they actually shot him.


That's what the US does to world leaders who give up their Nuclear weapons. Who here thinks Kim is going to fall for this Bolton crap? Anyone?
 

VRAMdemon

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Seeing how soon this happened after Kim's second meeting with Xi, Xi is teaching Kim how to play Trump. The world is learning how to play our moron and he's the only one who doesn't see it.

I don't play poker, but isn't there some axiom about "If you don't know who the mark is, it's you". And "If you think everyone else is an asshole, it's actually you.
 

Thebobo

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LOL I told you guys there would be ZERO Trump Nobel prizes.



He did get those koreans back from best korea. That's definitely a win. Not prize-worthy tho.

Obama got 8 back and never got a nobel prize, well for that.
 

VRAMdemon

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Kim is seeing if Trump will go to the table without NK committing to denuclearization. If yes, Kim gains face, goes to the table and gets some relief on sanctions or whatever - which agreement he then abrogates once it's convenient to do so. If no, he'll say that NK tried to negotiate, but the US asked for too much up front. Win/win for Kim, and very familiar. I find it impossible to believe that NK would agree to denuclearize. Well, unless China gave them an ultimatum to do so, and I don't see that happening. If a precondition of the talks is that they result in denuclearization, the only way I can see Kim agreeing is that he wants the meeting badly enough that he's willing to set it up and have it fail. Which might be exactly what he wants so he can blame Trump Co.

If you don't have nukes, you aren't taken seriously. Kim isn't too stupid to see that. All this talk about denuclearization, demilitarization, and reunification is for the moment just pie in the sky. Baby steps first, but the toddler-in-chief is incapable of understanding that. He thinks this will get him the Nobel Prize. The key is what Trump's administration (which includes John Bolton) can walk away with. If they can lower expectations and tolerate a nuclear-tipped North Korea with a verifiably limited arsenal sufficient for self defense but not much else, then maybe there's no more crisis. But if they can't accept that, then Trump is setting himself up to get played.
 

brandonbull

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44133308



Looks like Kim got his legitimacy from Pompeo with his photo op, now that he feels he's on equal ground he will try to throw his weight around and push for more concessions. Was it ever a good idea to give the North Korean regime legitimacy in return for nothing but promises?

Reportedly Kim is threatening to pull out of the June summit with the US as well: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...atens-cancel-trump-kim-meet-article-1.3991398

I don't blame Kim for not trusting the West. Look what happened to Gaddafi.
 

hal2kilo

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I don't blame Kim for not trusting the West. Look what happened to Gaddafi.
Yea, and killing the Iran deal amplified it.
Oh, if there were only a department of the government that specialized in these types of things, so we wouldn't get caught with our pants down.
 
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K1052

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Trump just threw Bolton under the bus and told the press that the Libyan model is not in any way the plan for NK.

Someone reaaally wants his summit.
 

K1052

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I think he also just threatened KJU with Gadaffi's fate if he doesn't make a deal.
 
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zinfamous

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Trump just threw Bolton under the bus and told the press that the Libyan model is not in any way the plan for NK.

Someone reaaally wants his summit.

Hmm

I think he also just threatened KJU with Gadaffi's fate if he doesn't make a deal.
interesting.

he also offered Kim protection and military assistance.

well, how about that....

uh, what the hell is going on? Is there a transcript of this somewhere? lol.
 
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I would like to see some peace talks between US and Iran but it will never happen because the wealthiest republicans are very close with some families in Saudi Arabia and the more fundamentalists there will not ever want to see peace with Iran.
As do fundamentalists in Israel. It will never end...

On topic, Trump and Kim. It very likely will still happen, but what will come of that...
 
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