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[DHT]Osiris said:
Depending on where he lives, he may need to work tons of jobs to be able to afford to live on his own.

I don't know the details, just saying, no sense casting judgement without knowing any details.
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I'll pick out the points I think are against him:


He's got his BA.
Worked for the last two years driving uber eats and door dash.
Turning 26 and still has no real jobs on his resume.
Still lives with mommy.
Plays video games most days, only working when he needs money to pay his credit cards.

In my opinion ( granted I am older) that is just being a lazy bum. But whatever. He wouldn't be doing this crap unless his parent(s) allowed it.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I'll pick out the points I think are against him:


He's got his BA.
Worked for the last two years driving uber eats and door dash.
Turning 26 and still has no real jobs on his resume.
Still lives with mommy.
Plays video games most days, only working when he needs money to pay his credit cards.

In my opinion ( granted I am older) that is just being a lazy bum. But whatever. He wouldn't be doing this crap unless his parent(s) allowed it.
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It's a psychological mess. He's been coddled his whole life, being raised as an only child by a single parent. There is co-dependency and enabling going on. The young man has the emotional maturity of a 10-12 year old. Nobody can talk to him and help straighten him out because mama bear comes to his "rescue". The whole family from grandpa, to aunts and uncles have to walk on egg shells around him, lest they upset him and sent him into a panic attack. He doesn't deal with even constructive criticism. There is a dynamic at work that is going to require some intervening factor or the trajectory of his life isn't going to change.
He doesn't socialize, doesn't go out with buddies, doesn't have any buddies, except a 400lb woman he went to grade school with. Seems he spends all his time hanging out with mom. Mom still does things he should be doing for himself, like laundry, dishing up his own food, pouring his own drinks. Mom does everything for him. He has no household chores, never has. Doesn't date, so we don't know his orientation, although he comes off as a bit effeminate, or wussy. Mom created this problem.
 
nakedfrog said:
It's rather a bit more complicated than that. You have no idea what it's like out there for young people. The US isn't what it was when you were young, decades ago, largely due to GOP economic policy and corporate ransacking.
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I'd also not take the OP of that line of commenting at face value to begin with considering what a lying full of shit clown they are.
 
We need some way to show that social spending is akin to an investment portfolio. For all you investors out there. Take a look at your portfolio. You have sone winners, some losers, some really bad, some really good. In the end, you hope your overall investment meets your goals. If you never invest, you get no return. Right? Same with the country. Your gonna have some bums, but maybe you hit a bill gates too.

I’ll use myself as an example. I came from government assistance. I was on welfare, food stamps,etc growing up. I got financial aid for school. Took advantage of it. Today, I’m a contributing member of society. I pay taxes on my home, sales tax, income tax. Government got a great return on investment.
 
compuwiz1 said:
It's a psychological mess. He's been coddled his whole life, being raised as an only child by a single parent. There is co-dependency and enabling going on. The young man has the emotional maturity of a 10-12 year old. Nobody can talk to him and help straighten him out because mama bear comes to his "rescue". The whole family from grandpa, to aunts and uncles have to walk on egg shells around him, lest they upset him and sent him into a panic attack. He doesn't deal with even constructive criticism. There is a dynamic at work that is going to require some intervening factor or the trajectory of his life isn't going to change.
He doesn't socialize, doesn't go out with buddies, doesn't have any buddies, except a 400lb woman he went to grade school with. Seems he spends all his time hanging out with mom. Mom still does things he should be doing for himself, like laundry, dishing up his own food, pouring his own drinks. Mom does everything for him. He has no household chores, never has. Doesn't date, so we don't know his orientation, although he comes off as a bit effeminate, or wussy. Mom created this problem.
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Yikes. That is.... Not healthy.

I'd call what Mom is doing on the spectrum of abuse. Very needy and insecure.

I'm not sure how you quickly unwind what she's done now that he's 26, but the time to launch himself into a successful adulthood is growing short. Sorry to hear. Thanks for the share.
 
I wouldn't want to be Manchin at this point in the capitol because somebody, probably a coworker, is going to push him down the stairs for this.

He made tons of demands on BBB, got what he wanted, and has now apparently shitcanned it on Fox News.
 
Vote him out! At least if he’s replaced with a Republican, democrats will have an excuse as to why things didn’t get done.
 
To be clear I doubt this is the end. Too much of the D caucus still wants stuff, especially the climate provisions. Manchin wants to kill the CTC and other stuff he doesn't believe in and did so by demanding the top line shrink then expressing indignation/surprise the money doesn't last 10 years.
 
Lol in his issued statement Manchin dings the climate provisions because of the Texas blackout, which was caused by a massive failure of the natural gas infrastructure.

What a fucking clown.
 
K1052 said:
Lol in his issued statement Manchin dings the climate provisions because of the Texas blackout, which was caused by a massive failure of the natural gas infrastructure.

What a fucking clown.
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He's a POS. He's looking left and right for excuses as to why he's not in agreement. He's been flip-flopping so much on which parts of it he's against that I forgot he's Joe Manchin and not Lindsey Graham 😡
 
Xcobra said:
He's a POS. He's looking left and right for excuses as to why he's not in agreement. He's been flip-flopping so much on which parts of it he's against that I forgot he's Joe Manchin and not Lindsey Graham 😡
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He thinks the social aspects (CTC, etc) are too generous and the climate aspects too against his personal financial interest. His pissing and moaning about the debt is just more of his "must be fully paid for" stuff so nothing really new there. Though that he believes this because a general told him a decade ago that the debt was a problem is hilarious since he's absolutely fire hosed cash on to the pentagon at every opportunity.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Throwing him out of the party is about the stupidest thing you could do. Have fun with Senate Majority Mitch McConnell with that move.
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MichaelMay said:
Or have fun with "Democrats are completely useless, they are in the majority and get NOTHING done. Might as well not bother with 2022" which is what is going to happen.
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I doubt the public cares much about the details of the Senate.
It is squarely the President who gets blamed. Regardless of the fact that American Presidents are actually powerless to do anything about it.

Fact is, President Biden is a lame duck President squarely because we lack the votes in the Senate. The midterms are almost certainly going to turn sour against him for this. Making the situation even worse, and the Presidency a complete waste. Aside from avoiding the institutional damage a Republican would do in office.

American Democracy is broken because you can win an election and hold zero power to effect change. The "people" cannot actually attain what they want. Even in times of apparent crisis. Our civilization is likely doomed.
 
Jaskalas said:
I doubt the public cares much about the details of the Senate.
It is squarely the President who gets blamed. Regardless of the fact that American Presidents are actually powerless to do anything about it.

Fact is, President Biden is a lame duck President squarely because we lack the votes in the Senate. The midterms are almost certainly going to turn sour against him for this. Making the situation even worse, and the Presidency a complete waste. Aside from avoiding the institutional damage a Republican would do in office.

American Democracy is broken because you can win an election and hold zero power to effect change. The "people" cannot actually attain what they want. Even in times of apparent crisis. Our civilization is likely doomed.
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"Fact is, President Biden is a lame duck President squarely because we lack the votes in the Senate. The midterms are almost certainly going to turn sour against him for this."

Yes, that was my point. If Manchin and Sinema were not the way they are the filibuster would be gone and a true majority would be had but as it is Biden is seen as a failure for things out of his control.
 
K1052 said:
There's a lot of "did Biden lie to the progs or did Manchin lie to Biden" talk happening now and this, if accurate, puts the blame squarely on the latter:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1472600355179577366
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The prog caucus knew this was the inevitable result of separating the two bills--they knew Manchin couldn't be trusted.

The real question is whether it would have been better to shoot for the moon and potentially see the entire spending package fail (most likely result) rather than drag along this charade. Was this the better outcome politically? Time will tell, but I highly doubt it. I still think that separating the bills was the right thing to do, all things considered, but I could be wrong.
 
UNCjigga said:
The real question is whether it would have been better to shoot for the moon and potentially see the entire spending package fail (most likely result) rather than drag along this charade. Was this the better outcome politically? Time will tell, but I highly doubt it. I still think that separating the bills was the right thing to do, all things considered, but I could be wrong.
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We're not at the end yet. There was always a limitation on what Manchin would agree to but he's handled the messaging and relationships pretty poorly.

Were I the WH first I would be like:

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Then I'd get to work on reformulating the bill to still accomplish many good things that the dems want but be within the constraints that will secure Manchin's vote. 1.75B is still a lot of money on the table.
 
K1052 said:
There's a lot of "did Biden lie to the progs or did Manchin lie to Biden" talk happening now and this, if accurate, puts the blame squarely on the latter:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1472600355179577366
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To go on Fox to do it is telling enough what the true answer is.

I think there is a strong possibility he tries to flip to the Republicans to try and save his seat.

Trust nothing from Manchin, be happy about whatever we get from him, because it won't be much.

IMO, the debate is whether to go hard smearing and primaring him to sabotage him for his disloyalty as a warning to the rest of the caucus.

If voting reform stalls, burn him to the ground, but winning more senate seats in 22 and 24 is mission #1.
 
Bitek said:
To go on Fox to do it is telling enough what the true answer is.

I think there is a strong possibility he tries to flip to the Republicans to try and save his seat.

Trust nothing from Manchin, be happy about whatever we get from him, because it won't be much.

IMO, the debate is whether to go hard smearing and primaring him to sabotage him for his disloyalty as a warning to the rest of the caucus.

If voting reform stalls, burn him to the ground, but winning more senate seats in 22 and 24 is mission #1.
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I'm not even sure he runs again in 24, especially if he isn't likely to enjoy this level of leverage. Dude is rich and in his mid 70s.

If I am Biden I squeeze out what I can from him and just blame everything left by the wayside on him. He has quite conveniently almost entirely facilitated the latter part of this with his Fox appearance and the statement.
 
K1052 said:
I'm not even sure he runs again in 24, especially if he isn't likely to enjoy this level of leverage. Dude is rich and in his mid 70s.

If I am Biden I squeeze out what I can from him and just blame everything left by the wayside on him. He has quite conveniently almost entirely facilitated the latter part of this with his Fox appearance and the statement.
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Ds have to hold all their current seats (esp GA), and pick up a win or two. They really need to win PA if nothing else.. I'd like to think they could knock Ron Johnson-WI, but I don't trust it.

No other red seats in Biden states. :/

Map favors Ds a bit, but timing does not.
 
Jaskalas said:
I doubt the public cares much about the details of the Senate.
It is squarely the President who gets blamed. Regardless of the fact that American Presidents are actually powerless to do anything about it.

Fact is, President Biden is a lame duck President squarely because we lack the votes in the Senate. The midterms are almost certainly going to turn sour against him for this. Making the situation even worse, and the Presidency a complete waste. Aside from avoiding the institutional damage a Republican would do in office.

American Democracy is broken because you can win an election and hold zero power to effect change. The "people" cannot actually attain what they want. Even in times of apparent crisis. Our civilization is likely doomed.
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All of this. We are in the sunset of this grand experiment. Really quite sad.
 
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