What?..... He's not in a hitter's ballpark. Watch some ESPN, they'll tell you SBC park is one of the toughest pitcher's parks to hit a HR for left handers. Even Jeff Kent a right handed hitter constantly complained about the park when he was there.
The reason he hits mostly homers because they only give him 1-2 pitchers a bat to hit. Why not hit them out? He can always hit it the opposite way because of the Bonds shift, but he doesn't because he knows the Giants have only crap players batting behind him that he'll just be stranded on base. Why not hit HRs then? At least AROD had Palmeiro back then.
edit: But whats interesting is Bonds doesn't think he's the greatest players, he thinks Willie Mays is better than him.
Barry Bonds juices like a mofo. No matter what he says he will be tainted in my book. No matter what records he sets they will be tainted in my view. He does have a sweet swing but he still is a juicer. Ruth is the greatest in my book.
If Batting titles make you the greatest hitter of all-time, than what about Wade boggs and Tony Gwynn?? Or Kirby Pucket?? Or Ted Williams... what about Paul Molitor, John Olerud or Don Mattingly?
BFD, he won a batting title. By your criteria, he doesn't even warrant consideration, in light of the other players before and after him... 2000 was definitely a great year for Bonds, but he also had 198 walks.. I'm not saying he isn't a good player, but hardly the greatest ever.
I agree. I don't care about calling them "allegations" or that he is innocent until proven guilty. The bottom line is that your head, jaw, and face don't go on some random growth spurt once you hit 35 years of age. All of his records should be tossed out. He should have to prove that he didn't take the steroids. Not the other way around.
Fingolfin269
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This is such a stupid topic. You can't compare people in sports across generations because it just doesn't work.
Barry is the best player of his generation and that is all that matters. You can't compare Babe Ruth to him specifically because Babe Ruth played in a time when only white people could play.
Funny side story. I love Barry Bonds because of the way he acts. This really hit home the other night when I was watching 'Bull Durham' for the first time in a couple of years. Remember the part when Costner is expalining the cliche's to Robbins? That's when it hit home that the fact that Barry actually talks to the media in the way that he feels like talking to the media is why I love him. I know when he says something it is what he wants to say and isn't some stupid cliche just to pander to the media and the fans.
Greatest ever? Who knows. It's a stupid biased discussion that will never end or have any sort of a real conclusion because there are way too many variables across too many years to have an accurate comparitive basis.
Barry is the best player of his generation and that is all that matters. You can't compare Babe Ruth to him specifically because Babe Ruth played in a time when only white people could play.
Funny side story. I love Barry Bonds because of the way he acts. This really hit home the other night when I was watching 'Bull Durham' for the first time in a couple of years. Remember the part when Costner is expalining the cliche's to Robbins? That's when it hit home that the fact that Barry actually talks to the media in the way that he feels like talking to the media is why I love him. I know when he says something it is what he wants to say and isn't some stupid cliche just to pander to the media and the fans.
Greatest ever? Who knows. It's a stupid biased discussion that will never end or have any sort of a real conclusion because there are way too many variables across too many years to have an accurate comparitive basis.
I don't think it can ever be said that one person is the greatest of all time, unless they were to lead (for hitters) in HR, avg, SB, fielding%, hits, OBP, and RBI. For pitchers, they would have to hold the career lead in wins, ERA, IP, SO's, No-hitters, WHIP, HR's allowed.
Suffice to say, that can obviously never happen. We can say that someone is one of the greest of their era, but can never directly compare players from previous times.. It's much too subjective.
btw I will still keep the 4 rookie cards I have of him from when I was a card collecting kid. Juice or not they still might be worth something someday lol.
wow, you took his answer way out of context. He commented on the batting title because of the "Bonds really doesn't hit much other than homers, much like McGwire" comment. Obviously, Bonds does a little bit more than hit homers since he regularly hits .300+ now plus won a batting title.
Barry Bonds was a great defensive player in the 90's. He won 8 gold gloves. I guess what you are saying is that Bonds is the greatest player of all time since he can hit, field, and steal a base.
I'd say his stats make him one of the top 3 hitters of all time.
Fingolfin269
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What kind of an ignorant baseball fan would ever say that Barry Bonds only hits home runs? The guy is the only player in the freakin 500/500 club. If you don't know what the numbers stand for then don't even respond. 
500/500 looks pretty good when there is no one even in the 400/400, but I still say he is or was on steroids and belongs playing in a summer softball league.
What part did you not understand? I can go back and try to explain it to you... is it the high numbers? Or is it the fact the Bonds does not deserve to be in baseball?
Well, I guess he could've started by voluntarily taking blood tests when all of this started 4-5 years ago instead of hiding behind the union. Having his personal trainer as the drug czar to the MLB doesn't help his case. If he really cared about his legacy and the legitimacy of his records (which he does, look at his genuine celebrations when he reaches the milestones), then he would do anything to quell any rumor of substance abuse. But is he doing anything of the sorts? Nope. There are two possible reasons why he isn't doing anything to prove his innocence: 1. he's guilty, 2. he's stupid. Bonds has proven he isn't stupid by warming up to the media and building a more personable character the past season or two in anticipation of breaking Mays' record. It was a good PR move and he's reaping the benefits now. Now if he could only squash those nagging steroids questions...
murphy55d
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Bonds is the greatest player of the current era... hands down. Like someone said, you can't compare cross-generations. There's no way to tell what would happen if Babe Ruth played in today's game..or if Bonds played during his era. They are both legends, as far as I'm concerned.
Ruth might have been able to keep him better shape, he might have been able to have
surgury to repair his shoulder so he could continue to pitch?
Bonds might not have been able to keep himself in the same shape.
Ted Williams might not have spent time in the war
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