Barney Frank confronts constituent re: Nazi healthcare

[Vic]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Barney Frank is awesome

O'Reilly was completely fabricating the facts there, as has been proven dozens of times over. Fannie and Freddie did not make the subprime loans that caused the housing bubble. Nor would the law proposed in 2005 have done anything to stop the crisis or their collapse. On top of all that, less than a month before this exchange between O'Reilly and Frank, and right before Fannie/Freddie collapsed, Hannity was having similar on-air fights with 'liberals' that the economy was still rosy and that F&F would never collapse.
IOW, 'conservative' pundits only have good eyesight in hindsight, and even that only by changing the facts. What makes this all the more silly is that everyone and his ugly dog know that the Republicans spent the entire Bush admin shouting down any and all warnings of a potential housing bubble and/or economic collapse.

I rest my case to my post above.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh come on, bet you voted for her and will again.

You're an idiot, Dave.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Bibble
My aunt told me how a priest in a church she was visiting compared the new healthcare plan to eugenics in Nazi Germany (i.e. the government killing those who are not helpful to society) in his homily. This is was the first and only instance I had heard of this comparison, but apparently there are others out there who are using it as well.

Can someone please explain to me the argument that these people are making?

In the early 20th century, members of the progressive movement discussed how the older members of society could no longer be productive to society in that they were no longer capable/willing to produce for the collective so what the society provides for them should be reduced or eliminated. I believe some went with even harsher terms.

Early in the 20th century, right-wing ideology left most in the country poor, with a 90% elder poverty rate and the problems spurred the progressive movement.

The progressive movement reversed the elder poverty rate with Social Security, over the objections of the right who were happy to see the elders remain poor, for profit.

The progressive movement then created and expanded Medicare, healthcare for the elderly, JFK fighitng for it and Ronald Reagan the national spkesman opposing it.

Go try your BS to claim that progressives are the ones against the welfare of the elderly somewhere else.

http://www.princeton.edu/~tleo...ers/retrospectives.pdf

You misunderstand my response. It's not that there weren't bad behaviors by 'progressives' in the past. You can't take a progressive today and a progressive a hunfred years ago and say they're exacty the same. They're not. For just one example, racism was pervasive in the nation then; and many progressives were racist. That doesn't make racism a core tenent of the progressive ideology - it's something that's evolved, as over decades the progressives led the nation - Democrats appointing blacks to new offices, improving education, integrating the military, eventually the Civil Rights Act.

The point was that you left out the larger context of what the progressives are about - the history that I gave examples of in my post that are in direct contradicition to your attack.

Whatever the history you discuss on prgoressives and the elderly,, the bottom line is the actual history of progressives fighitng for improving things for the elderly for decades.

You can't tar progressives today with that history - and that's the relvnt issue. If you presented it in a proper context as history not attacking tody's progressives, fine.

You did not do that. You injected some 'gotcha' point from nearly a century ago into the middle of a current debate on healthcare policy today.

 

[lupi]

I'm not even going to go into a discussion for this thread on what the modern version of the movement is or is not. As it relates to this story, several tenants from the beginnings of the progressive movement were welcomed and expanded upon by those directing the Third Reich. Rotating forward to this story, the person responsible is at worse doing the same as dozens of political satirist do in newspapers every day sill leading us to franks being a total idiot for his reaction. you would have thought when the congressmen in georgia went shout first ask question later and found he was yelling at actual doctors of his district this "white house response" memo would have been reevaluated; but then again they're only going for USPS level of accomplishment.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: jonks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...s/us_health_care_frank

This woman was one of your typical nutballs comparing proposed US healthcare to nazi deathsquads. These people do not deserve to be treated with respect. Yes, they have the first amendment right to say what they think. We have the first amendment right to call them psychotic freaks.


Any bets on which tv host gets her on first and treats her as a trampled "hero", O'Reilly, Beck or Hannity? She seems to fit Beck's particular brand of whackadoo best so I'll go with him.

YA right looks like Dems are up to old tricks . Using Other Dems to pretend to be something there not LOL ! WAKE UP!

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
...YA right looks like Dems are up to old tricks . Using Other Dems to pretend to be something there not LOL ! WAKE UP!

Another almost intelligible non sequitur from the Nemesis.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

what, did you come back to P&N so oneup spidey on the crazy scales?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

Don't have the guts to play the Jew card, eh, but saying all gays are incompetent is ok?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

Don't have the guts to play the Jew card, eh, but saying all gays are incompetent is ok?

wow definitely did a double take on that one. Where does this guy live in the country to have such a small mind?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Line the grandparents up and send them to the gas chamber. Do you think this is a radical idea? Well some old native american tribes would just leave the old people on the side of the trail to survive on their own. Somewhere in the middle there needs to be a place in the middle. Should we let old people use up all our medical money or should we just let them die quietly and peacefully? Good Question. I dont think we should pay for drug addicts and alcoholics to get a liver transplant. If you live hard, you should be able to die hard. This falls in the same category of rescuing mountain climbers and people who ski in dangerous areas, or get hurt horse back riding. If you are stupid you should just be allowed to die. You cant fix stupid.

I'd go along with your theme IF I could set the criteria for what is Stupid... getting old is not stupid nor is riding a horsey.... being sick in any scenario is not stupid but thinking all those things are is...

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

You can't be serious

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

Don't have the guts to play the Jew card, eh, but saying all gays are incompetent is ok?

wow definitely did a double take on that one. Where does this guy live in the country to have such a small mind?

And you? Were do you get off in thinking that a minority view(or is it ) is narrow of mind? Who made you judge . I personally would actually need to know more about the man . Than I do . For that statement to hold true.

Like if a male /female go both ways and are not natural homosexuals . Their whores its that simple and their judgement is lacking in my view. I would need to know more about Barney . But I am betting he knows women . Business is business ya know. Anything for MONEY /POWER.- ANYTHING.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

And you? Were do you get off in thinking that a minority view(or is it ) is narrow of mind? Who made you judge . I personally would actually need to know more about the man . Than I do . For that statement to hold true.

Like if a male /female go both ways and are not natural homosexuals . Their whores its that simple and their judgement is lacking in my view. I would need to know more about Barney . But I am betting he knows women . Business is business ya know. Anything for MONEY /POWER.- ANYTHING.

schwa?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Patranus
"Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are financially sound"
-Barney Frank

He doesn't deserve respect.

I find if funny how all these liberals "don't understand" why everyone is so upset.

And when Barney Frank said this, did YOU think it was nonsense? Did any Republican stand up and say is was nonsense? Did President Bush, who was in office at the time, say Frank was wrong?

Exactly who KNEW at the time Frank made his comment that it would turn out to be false?

So, is it possible that Frank, just like the rest of us didn't foresee the financial meltdown? And if he didn't, why do you single him out for disrespect?

The answer is, you're an idiot.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Vic
Something I can't understand about the whole Palin 'death panel' debacle is how she could tell such a transparent lie, one so easily proven for the lie it is (the text of section 1223 is available online), and yet people not only persist in believing it, but they angrily parade their ignorance in public. And worse yet, they still support the very person, Palin, who told them the lie in the first place. To me, this is incomprehensible. These people have been intentionally lied to, and yet they still proudly defend both the lie and the liar. That's a level of willful stupidity I simply cannot grasp, and more truly symbolic of Nazism that what they claimed to be complaining about (even if that were true). These people have shown that they would both believe and support ANYTHING so long they heard it from the appropriate source/authority. That to me is more terrifying than anything.

The irony is that Section 1223 is actually intended to create death panels to deal with those who believe Section 1223 creates death panels.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Ya got to admitt trusting a Gay mans judgement is a little iffy. Given a choice I would choose differantly I am positive.

Don't have the guts to play the Jew card, eh, but saying all gays are incompetent is ok?

wow definitely did a double take on that one. Where does this guy live in the country to have such a small mind?

And you? Were do you get off in thinking that a minority view(or is it ) is narrow of mind? Who made you judge . I personally would actually need to know more about the man . Than I do . For that statement to hold true.

Like if a male /female go both ways and are not natural homosexuals . Their whores its that simple and their judgement is lacking in my view. I would need to know more about Barney . But I am betting he knows women . Business is business ya know. Anything for MONEY /POWER.- ANYTHING.

I think "ya gotta admit trusting a gay mans view is a little iffy" might tend to be bigoted against gays... Then following that up with another insight... "natural homosexuals" and I assume "Their" is to be construed as "They're" ... then calling those folks 'whores', an extremely pejorative term, suggests to me that you classify folks according to some notion of right and wrong in a sexual sense.
I don't think the behavorial professionals would agree with that notion. Lots of brilliant folks are gay and lots of non gay folks are stupid... which may or may not be a minority view.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Based on the intellectual development we can infer from his comments, it's clear that Budmantom is an oversized - though not yet viable - fetus, and therefore not a person at all.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Budmantom
I tell you what, the Democrats are nuts, the keep talking Nazi this Nazi that and next they bring in a Nazi Obama.

Exactly, our bi-racial president and gay jewish congressman are nazis.


You are a seriously confused little person.

Based on the intellectual development we can infer from his comments, it's clear that Budmantom is an oversized - though not yet not viable - fetus, and therefore not a person at all.

OMG.... first Moonbeam and now Shira.... you folks are so dang funny - it makes my day..

Thanks

 

[JEDIYoda]

I will say one thing -- every village needs an idiot!! I sure am glad we have a funny idiot!
Thanks Budmantom for the laughs!

 

[sportage]

I believe that lady in the town hall was part of the Lyndon LaRouche gang. They always try to link Obama to Hitler. They are a pretty nutty group of nutjobs. I think there also is a link to the John Burch Society and the Lyndon LaRouche followers. Both groups believe in some crazy ideas, just enough to be dangerous. If Im not mistaken, their people are also the ones bringing-wearing the guns to Obama healthcare events. These are the people the NRA protects.

There is no reason and no real connection to reform and these crazies coming out of the woodwork.
Its just their chance to take advantage of an opportunity. Obama, a black president and government. Both of which they will not tolerate.
Its not healthcare, its just their chance to wear guns in public, and link Obama to Hitler, in protest of their anti government beliefs. Actually, it goes back to Reagan. Not the 1980's Reagan, but the 1960's Reagan "American Medical Association" spokesman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzNTB1qtFA

The lady at the town hall, guns in public, the John Burch Society, the Lyndon LaRouche gang and the 1960's Reagan. They are all linked. And dare I say.... many republicans. At least... many republicans, and the Rush Limbaugh's, have found an odd-fellow relationship. The Lyndon LaRouche gang can use the town halls as an outlet, and the republicans welcome the anti Obama policy ranting.
This odd fellow relationship is very dangerous for the republicans to align themselves with.
If it backfires, and it will, that could destroy the republican party as we know it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Oh come on, bet you voted for her and will again.

You're an idiot, Dave.

I may be an idiot but you didn't answer the question.

Did you and will you vote for her again?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Line the grandparents up and send them to the gas chamber.

Do you think this is a radical idea?

Well some old native american tribes would just leave the old people on the side of the trail to survive on their own.

Woah woah woah

Let me learn you on Native Americans.

Native American treat all elders with the utmost respect at all times, would never ever leave elders aside.

YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ALL NATIVE AMERICANS IMMEDIATELY.

That aside, it is Americans that left native American elderly, weak and sick aside on the trail of tears when Americans rounded up native Americans like cattle and moved them.

You sir are an idiot.

 

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