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Barack Obama will bring world class jobs
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Thanks. P.J.'s the man. I'm re-reading "Parliament of Whores" this week just for the chuckles. Amazing how minor the nation's troubles were back then compared to now, and how much we've just swept under the rug. There's just no long-term thinking going on in Washington.
Bowfinger
Lifer
Nobody with more than three functioning neurons thinks Obama is making a specific commitment there. He is just putting out a vision for a better America. It's a pity all you hate-filled, tiny-minded partisans can't accept it for what it is. The more I read from you asshats, the more I look forward to driving the last stake into the heart of today's festering RNC and its amoral, self-serving minions. Hopefully you will be replaced by the rise of a new conservative party, with the traditional intelligent, reasoning, responsible adults.
Well, there is certainly some solid potential truth to your concerns and unfortunately I don't believe that anyone here is informed enough about the kinds of details that are necessary to understand in order to take it any further. We would need to know a lot of information about the biofuels industry and fuel infrastructure in general. We would need to know about all of the kinds of positions that they need filled and we would need to understand what is necessary for the people in most of the positions to be able to do the job correctly.
However, I believe it stands within reason to argue that there are TONS of jobs in the US today where the vast majority of employers demand at least a 4 year degree even though all the person really needs are on the job skills which could be taught through a training program or vocational school-like program of some sort. Much of these employers demand a degree not so much because they know it is needed but because they can based on the number of applicants to choose from.
If Obama can invest in the right industries and stimulate a lot of growth then that will mean demand for people with certain skill sets. Many of those positions won't need degrees. They will need the kinds of skills that can be taught in the training programs Obama wishes to invest in as well.
I think that combining the people that would love to work jobs like this along with those college students who see a future in these son to be growing industries will satisfy the demand very nicely. Hell! The demand might even exceed expectations which would drive even more incentive for private investors to start investing even more money. The domino effect has the potential to be a wonderful thing from so many points of views.
Beyond that, I could care less about credibility. My feelings in general about all solutions is that I don't care who gets it to work as long as it works and it works well. I also don't really care if Obama's plan takes longer than expected or that the results are reasonably less than expected. Expecting anyone to fix this crap in 4 years is a pipe dream. Hell, 8 years is probably a pipe dream too but it is better than 4. All I want is a new direction to be laid out in front of us by Obama and future presidents as well as the private investors to continue leading us in down that path. Future presidents may not lead us down it quite as Obama is currently intending, but as long as the pres isn't a complete douche bag it should work itself out pretty well.
Note sure if anyone mentioned this but I read an article about how Warner limited his losses in the red parts of the state by focusing on job creation in some of the smaller towns, because the towns were dying as kids left to find jobs. As governor he followed through and it made him extremely popular, so his advice to Obama was to focus on the same thing. Hence the radio ad you heard.
Bowfinger
Lifer
Fluff off. I think Obama has a vision for a better America and the commitment to try to make it so. (So does McCain.) Obama's comment reflects that vision, but it was not a promise of a specific result, any more than McCain's vision statements are. Anyone who tries to twist that remark into something more than it is isn't capable of reasoned discussion.
Sorry. I take candidates for their word. If they can't deliver on a vision/commitment (again, a vision without commitment is just a meager platitude), then they need to be more realistic.
"Hope" sounds great on paper, but it doesn't mean shit if there's no clear intent/plan to back it up.
It's really sad that we've been conditioned to simply elect people based on campaign soundbytes and not be the least bit disappointed (and politicians not the least bit accountable) when it doesn't materialize. Seriously - you're already making apologies before the election has even taken place.
Hmm ... the only thing I can recall that Mark Warner did while governor in Virginia is:
- Closed down half of the Department of Motor Vehicle offices and pissed the citizens off due to extremely longer lines for existing offices. Then, he had to go back and get many of the offices back up and running as well as hire on some "contract" offices to handle the work that the DMV had performed.
- Delayed road projects for some heavily crowded roads in Virginia.
When a boil is lanced puss pours out in quantity. It is very important that these poor sick people puke out their guts here like you see. All this venom has been killing them. They were all killed as children and won't get well if they don't reawaken that pain. The holy water of light and hope burns their skin.
Get over it already! Hope is all any of us will ever have with any candidate after you boil down all of the details. What more do you want? A crystal ball that allows you to look into the future? Do you believe that any of the McCain supporters are relying on much of anything but hope? McCain has a history of successes and as well as TONS of failures. His supporters are "hoping" that if he is elected that he will not fail again as he has so many times in the past.
Specop 007
Diamond Member
And by last Administration you are referring to the one thats had a Democratic Congress for the past 2 years yes?
But somehow a Democratic President will suddenly change everything?
Of course he can't. It is traditional "promise them anything" political campaigning. It brings to mind another one "A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage!" - Herbert Hoover
At least this one is being made, while everything is already in the shitter. 😉
You're taking my quote out of context. I was challenging another poster on whether we should interpret a candidate's "vision" as a "promise". That context was much broader than just Obama. Of all the Presidents in my lifetime (b.1977), Bush 43 is probably the largest failure in this regard. Obama could be positioning himself for runner-up, but only time will tell. All I'm really saying is *if* he can't keep his word, I don't want to hear a damn person say "it was his vision, not a promise." Bull-fucking-shit.
I voted for the man because I trusted his intent more than I trusted McCain's. So did many other people. If he doesn't make good, you can damn well bet his ass will be in a sling come 2012.
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