Barack Obama will bring world class jobs

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JD50

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Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: JD50
So on my drive in to work this morning I heard a Barack Obama ad with Mark Warner saying that Barack Obama doesn't think that you should have to leave your hometown to get a "world class job". Could someone please explain how Barack Obama is going to bring "world class jobs" to every town in America?

The first thing that popped into my head was to tax incentivise corporations to bring jobs into the US again...renegotiate NAFTA...help with call center training by making telecommunications cheap in small towns and encoraging telecommuting...etc...

I wouldn't classify working at a call center as "world class".
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: JD50
So on my drive in to work this morning I heard a Barack Obama ad with Mark Warner saying that Barack Obama doesn't think that you should have to leave your hometown to get a "world class job". Could someone please explain how Barack Obama is going to bring "world class jobs" to every town in America?

The first thing that popped into my head was to tax incentivise corporations to bring jobs into the US again...renegotiate NAFTA...help with call center training by making telecommunications cheap in small towns and encoraging telecommuting...etc...

I wouldn't classify working at a call center as "world class".

Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected. He will not be able to fulfill his promises without reneging on others. Guess which one he will flip-flop on to create more jobs?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
I think it'd be awesome if Obama pumped some serious money into green-energy-tech jobs. I think its ridiculous that I've got classmates with gpa's lower than mine, making nearly $10 more an hour by working for military and government funded companies desigining weapons systems. I'd love it if my wage working at a green building design firm caught up to what the missile designers were making, or at least got a few more government contracts...

Just because you have a higher gpa than someone doesn't mean that you are smarter or better at your job then someone with a lower gpa. You must have just graduated and recently entered the workforce (not a knock on you, just saying) if you are putting this much emphasis on gpa.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If he can that's be great but I think he's being a optomistic. We've had 8 years of Fail under the Republicans and what do they offer this time? More Fail with a large dose of Fundie Whacko. No thanks

Being optimistic? Nice spin.
 

PokerGuy

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
In addition to creating world class jobs everywhere, the Messiah can also make Kool Aid out of water ;)

Fixed

LOL :laugh:

All this BS from both sides about how many jobs they'll create: the reality is that the president really doesn't have much direct power to create any jobs, which is why attributing a good or bad economy to a president is stupid.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If he can that's be great but I think he's being a optomistic. We've had 8 years of Fail under the Republicans and what do they offer this time? More Fail with a large dose of Fundie Whacko. No thanks

Being optimistic? Nice spin.
To a person like you who supports epic fail and fundie whacko.

 

Capt Caveman

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You would think with the $100s millions that the Obama campaign has in funds that they could hire some folks to develop a detailed economic plan and fiscal buget that covers how he plans to get the country out of the current economic crisis and beyond.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do people believe a President can deliver jobs anyways? 5 million green jobs is Obama's claim on his website. 5 million? Laughable. The only way that happens is if he erects the biggest govt program in history and hires 5 million people regardless of qualifications. Which sadly is a classic govt way of doing it and wont surprise if it happens.

Of course he can't. If we've learned anything during the last 8 years it's that the President can't do anything...nor is he responsible for anything that happens during his term.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
 

DarrelSPowers

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
I think it'd be awesome if Obama pumped some serious money into green-energy-tech jobs. I think its ridiculous that I've got classmates with gpa's lower than mine, making nearly $10 more an hour by working for military and government funded companies desigining weapons systems. I'd love it if my wage working at a green building design firm caught up to what the missile designers were making, or at least got a few more government contracts...

What I'm hearing is

"Waaa. I'm mad because my CHOICE isnt making me as much money as my classmates CHOICE, and this isnt FAIR!"

AmIright?

You know, rather then wait for the government to bring you your "deserved" pay rate maybe you should reconsider your career choices......Now THERES a thought. Some personal responsibility in your life..... Huh.......

Jeeez man, who are you? Didn't mean to offend you with my "whining"

What I was trying to point out was that various sectors made quite a bit of money off the last administration, and It'll be nice to (hopefully) be in one of those sectors in the future.

And no, you were not right.

 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: DarrelSPowers
I think it'd be awesome if Obama pumped some serious money into green-energy-tech jobs. I think its ridiculous that I've got classmates with gpa's lower than mine, making nearly $10 more an hour by working for military and government funded companies desigining weapons systems. I'd love it if my wage working at a green building design firm caught up to what the missile designers were making, or at least got a few more government contracts...

Just because you have a higher gpa than someone doesn't mean that you are smarter or better at your job then someone with a lower gpa. You must have just graduated and recently entered the workforce (not a knock on you, just saying) if you are putting this much emphasis on gpa.

Yup. The only people who really care about GPA are a) college graduates with no applicable experience looking for their first job, and b) companies looking to hire college graduates with no applicable experience.

With nothing else to go on, GPA is important to many companies. But the older you get and the more experience you get, the less your GPA matters. Frankly, by the time you hit 30, 95% of the companies out there won't even care if your GPA is "mysteriously" missing from your resume. All they care about is your current skill set, your recent accomplishments, and what your last employer and professional references will say about you.

In the grand scheme of things, GPA = so what. And no, I'm not a C-degree trying to dilute the GPA of those above me. I'm what you might call a "career student" (except I also have a "real job"), and have always had ~3.5 in my pursuits. Damn liberal arts classes :| . But really, it just doesn't matter (barring a few, very rare exceptions).
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If he can that's be great but I think he's being a optomistic. We've had 8 years of Fail under the Republicans and what do they offer this time? More Fail with a large dose of Fundie Whacko. No thanks

Being optimistic? Nice spin.
To a person like you who supports epic fail and fundie whacko.

Can you answer the question or not? How is Barack Obama going to bring "world class" jobs to every town in American?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?

Maybe he does, maybe he has more faith in the intelligence of the average American living in West Virginia or Western Pennsylvania that I do.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You would think with the $100s millions that the Obama campaign has in funds that they could hire some folks to develop a detailed economic plan and fiscal buget that covers how he plans to get the country out of the current economic crisis and beyond.

Spending 4 times as much as Mccain and with average results of 50/50 at the polls. No doubt a reflection of what his administration would look like.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If he can that's be great but I think he's being a optomistic. We've had 8 years of Fail under the Republicans and what do they offer this time? More Fail with a large dose of Fundie Whacko. No thanks

Being optimistic? Nice spin.
To a person like you who supports epic fail and fundie whacko.

Can you answer the question or not? How is Barack Obama going to bring "world class" jobs to every town in American?

Here is a small taste of how he plans to do it. Keep in mind that this is by no means the entire picture. He wants to invest a lot of money in things like clean coal so that they grow and create more jobs. He also wants to invest money in programs to train the kinds people that have few marketable skills or simply want a change of pace in their career to be able to work at these kinds of jobs. Think of it like vocational schools/programs.

Things like that could also potentially get a lot of people that are struggling to get by with their low wages to be able to get a job that pays well and allows them to move up in life. That can help provide opportunities to get people off of social services or if they are not on any then help them reduce their debt so that they can provide more opportunities for their kids to get a higher education and succeed beyond their parents. It can also reduce our dependency on foreign sources of energy and fuel.


I realize the speculation. I realize the lack of confidence a lot of people have. However, what we are doing now is not working. It is time to try something different and this sounds like it could work.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?

No, he is just being a politician. Never believe what they say, look at what they have done in the past to judge what they will do in the future.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?

Maybe he does, maybe he has more faith in the intelligence of the average American living in West Virginia or Western Pennsylvania that I do.

I happen to think the exact opposite. I think he knows that there is no way he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, but he knows that there are plenty of people out there dumb enough to believe that he can.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?

Maybe he does, maybe he has more faith in the intelligence of the average American living in West Virginia or Western Pennsylvania that I do.

I happen to think the exact opposite. I think he knows that there is no way he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, but he knows that there are plenty of people out there dumb enough to believe that he can.
But then you think Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP so obviously your judgment is in question.

 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?
Hope or fear. They are equally effective.

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Like McCain, Obama is telling the people what they want to hear to be elected.
This.

While I agree that this is what's happening, it's a very poor defense. You could use this to excuse everything that a politician says.
Well like the other naysayers I don't see how it would be possible for him to bring world class jobs to every home town. However I do agree with him about investing heavily in alternative energy.

So I guess the real question is, does Barack Obama honestly believe that he can bring "world class jobs" to everyone's hometown, or is he being dishonest? Or, dare I say, lying?
Hope or fear. They are equally effective.

I very much disagree.

Hope brings confidence and motivation regardless of why it exists. That is something this country is heavily lacking and I think it is one of the core problems hurting us right now overall. Such things cause people to work harder and bring about great progress.

Fear does not do that at all. Fear leads to a lot of irresponsible decision making.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Genx87
Why do people believe a President can deliver jobs anyways? 5 million green jobs is Obama's claim on his website. 5 million? Laughable. The only way that happens is if he erects the biggest govt program in history and hires 5 million people regardless of qualifications. Which sadly is a classic govt way of doing it and wont surprise if it happens.

This is something which I honestly do not know much about in great detail at least. Conceptually it makes sense, but what we also know is that all politicians will come up with estimated figures which are very often better than reality. That can be said about Obama. It can be said about McCain. It can be said about everyone. Hell, that isn't even limited to politics. Small, medium, and large business sales teams will do the exact same thing all of the time. That's just how it works in this country and the world in general.

So, with that said let's just do a little math while applying a fictional margin of error just for shits and giggles. Let's say that the number isn't 5 million even though it is what the man is pushing for. Let's say it turns out to be 4 million. If I am not mistaken, Obama does not indicate how long it will take to achieve that number of jobs. However, we often hear both Obama and McCain spitting out 10 years for many things so let's just use that to keep it simple.

Ok, so 4 million jobs over the course of 10 years. On average, the break down would be 400,000 jobs per year and 33,333 per month. While not terribly realistic you can even take that one step further by dividing those jobs between the states which turns out to be an estimated 700 jobs per month per state.

As I said, I don't claim to be an expert here but are those kinds of numbers truly unreasonable to even consider especially if he starts pushing hard to bring the manufacturing jobs back to America which we really do need? If they are not reasonable then I want to know why and I want an answer that goes beyond just lack of confidence in government.

You built a scenario that sounds reasonable. The problem I have is we could extend it out 100 years and make it sounds completely feasible.

When I see plans for a president my assumption is 4 years. Afterall that is all they can legitimately claim to work with. In this case that is 1.25 million jobs a year. Even if we went 8 years that cuts it to about 600,000 jobs a year. I dont give credit to presidents for job creation. But in this argument I can say policies could be enacted that will drive these job creations. That said I wont give a president credit for jobs created after they leave office either.

8 years and 5 million jobs would be a miracle. The only way I see him making that claim come true is if ne nationalizes the industry and hires all the workers then claims he created the jobs.

On top of this nearly impossible feat his plan revolves around good paying jobs. That means college educated and trained to work in this field. Do you think there are 5 million people working in green jobs today that would fit this category? Do you think our university system is going to shit out these people in the next 8 years?

 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: JD50
So on my drive in to work this morning I heard a Barack Obama ad with Mark Warner saying that Barack Obama doesn't think that you should have to leave your hometown to get a "world class job". Could someone please explain how Barack Obama is going to bring "world class jobs" to every town in America?

If Obama truly cared, he'd make it so I wouldn't have to leave my bed to get a world-class job. Getting out of a warm bed on a cold morning is absolute hell - why should I have to suffer and slave just to get a McMansion and an SUV?