Banned for Bad Tipping

[VirtualLarry]

Why am I not surprised its a Japanese restaurant?

The local chinese place here, has a statement on their menus: "Substitutions $1".

So when I ordered a combo meal, and ask them to leave off the chicken wings, they charged me the $1 extra for a substitution. Clearly, they lack a grasp of the english language (or they are just downright greedy, or both).

I still think that they serve cat meat in their chicken fingers, cats eat chicken, but some cats I attempted to feed the meat out of a chicken finger to wouldn't touch it.

 

[TubeTote]

I still think that they serve cat meat in their chicken fingers, cats eat chicken, but some cats I attempted to feed the meat out of a chicken finger to wouldn't touch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmXxrMC5Pv4

 

[VirtualLarry]

Finally the owner banned all police...it was a pretty major deal. Business actually improved due to no hostilities inside the place.

That takes balls, banning police.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Dense much? No one is required to work any job. Slavery is against the law.

Unless you are serving time. Then slavery is expected and condoned.

 

[Lifted]

Tipping on alcohol is a gray area, but lots of people do tip on alcohol.

Let's be clear here. I'm not talking a cocktail and a glass of wine, I'm talking about several bottles of wine that can come to $300+ easily. Are you seriously going to tip $60 for somebody to open some wine for you, ON TOP OF the tip for the food? I live in NYC, always have, and every restaurant I've been to here and anywhere else in the country has had separate areas on the bill for food and alcohol. I also don't know anyone who tips 15-20% on wine, so you must be hanging with some high rollers.

Have you been to Europe and Asia? America does have slightly better service than those places, but the slightly better service is not worthy of an extra 15-20% of my bill. In Europe, they don't shoo and hush you to get the fuck out with a receipt on your table after all the dishes are delivered. You can chill out as long as you like without getting a dirty look.

Been to Europe and lived in Asia for many years, and the service does not compare. Period. Unless you're a regular, or the staff thinks you will tip becuase you look like an American, the service will not be anything close to an average restaurant in the states. TBH, over the last few years I've seen a trend of adding mandatory tips to the bills at mid-high end restaurants in Asia. It's usually only 10% or so, but's it's still a rip-off since the staff probably doesn't see it half the time, and since the tip is guaranteed the service can end up being just as pathetic as the low end restaurants.

 

[zerocool84]

Until now, you have always admitted that you never tip b/c they only deserve minimum wage and that the owner will make-up the difference. Sounds like you finally changed your tune or your friends were tired of cover your part of the tip.

And no kidding, you shouldn't pay for bad service or at least complain about it. What do you tip for average service?

I've started tipping more cus I've been to a couple places that actually deserved it. Went to a little bar with some people and they hooked us up and I tipped them good. They refilled our drinks without even having to ask and were friendly and everything was good and they were busy so I tipped her for keeping up. I won't tip for regular service. Just throwing some plates on my table and the person coming over every once in a while and just being ok doesn't deserve a tip at all. That's in their job description and they are doing it exactly as it's described and for that they get their minimum wage.

 

[cheezy321]

I've started tipping more cus I've been to a couple places that actually deserved it. Went to a little bar with some people and they hooked us up and I tipped them good. They refilled our drinks without even having to ask and were friendly and everything was good and they were busy so I tipped her for keeping up. I won't tip for regular service. Just throwing some plates on my table and the person coming over every once in a while and just being ok doesn't deserve a tip at all. That's in their job description and they are doing it exactly as it's described and for that they get their minimum wage.

You go out with friends and don't leave a tip? I would feel ashamed and embarrassed being a part of your group. You make all your friends look bad.

 

[KingGheedora]

Let's be clear here. I'm not talking a cocktail and a glass of wine, I'm talking about several bottles of wine that can come to $300+ easily. Are you seriously going to tip $60 for somebody to open some wine for you, ON TOP OF the tip for the food? I live in NYC, always have, and every restaurant I've been to here and anywhere else in the country has had separate areas on the bill for food and alcohol. I also don't know anyone who tips 15-20% on wine, so you must be hanging with some high rollers.

Been to Europe and lived in Asia for many years, and the service does not compare. Period. Unless you're a regular, or the staff thinks you will tip becuase you look like an American, the service will not be anything close to an average restaurant in the states. TBH, over the last few years I've seen a trend of adding mandatory tips to the bills at mid-high end restaurants in Asia. It's usually only 10% or so, but's it's still a rip-off since the staff probably doesn't see it half the time, and since the tip is guaranteed the service can end up being just as pathetic as the low end restaurants.

I've been to Europe and the service was fine. I don't know what exactly you are valuing out of "service" at a restaurant that warrants tipping.

I think the system of tipping is stupid, the cost of dining should be part of the bill. I always tip generously becuase I don't want to be the jackass who doesn't tip, but I really start to hate it when I eat at nice places. These servants aren't doing anything more special than the people at Olive Garden, yet they get a $120 (from $500+ dinners) for basically the same work. The only difference i've seen is that they know more about food in general vs just memorizing the menu at lower end places, but I couldn't really give a shit about that.

The only thing I expect them to is relay my order to the kitchen, carry it to the table when ready, and keep my glasses full. Places with $25/person average dinner have the same exact service vs the $120/person places I've been to. Same work same pay.

I don't blame the staff though, more the stupid conventions that everyone adheres to in the US. The concept of tipping is stupid.

 

[Poulsonator]

Went to Applebees last weekend.

Well there's your problem. There aren't many places to eat that are worse than Applebees.

 

[JD50]

I've started tipping more cus I've been to a couple places that actually deserved it. Went to a little bar with some people and they hooked us up and I tipped them good. They refilled our drinks without even having to ask and were friendly and everything was good and they were busy so I tipped her for keeping up. I won't tip for regular service. Just throwing some plates on my table and the person coming over every once in a while and just being ok doesn't deserve a tip at all. That's in their job description and they are doing it exactly as it's described and for that they get their minimum wage.

Wow, what a loser.

 

[Venix]

Wow, what a loser.

Yeah, this guy is complete trash.

The restaurant pays its employees considerably less than the prevailing wage (often less than minimum wage) based upon the expectation that customers will tip. Consequently, the food is offered at a lower price than it would be if employee wages were included.

If all people were parasites like zerocool84, food prices would be significantly higher to account for employee wages. Luckily for him most other people aren't losers, so he can continue to leech the system like the deadbeat thief he is.

 

[nick1985]

Yeah, this guy is complete trash.

The restaurant pays its employees considerably less than the prevailing wage (often less than minimum wage) based upon the expectation that customers will tip. Consequently, the food is offered at a lower price than it would be if employee wages were included.

If all people were parasites like zerocool84, food prices would be significantly higher to account for employee wages. Luckily for him most other people aren't losers, so he can continue to leech the system like the deadbeat thief he is.

I agree. Dude is a tard if he actually does that shit at resturants.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I've started tipping more cus I've been to a couple places that actually deserved it. Went to a little bar with some people and they hooked us up and I tipped them good. They refilled our drinks without even having to ask and were friendly and everything was good and they were busy so I tipped her for keeping up. I won't tip for regular service. Just throwing some plates on my table and the person coming over every once in a while and just being ok doesn't deserve a tip at all. That's in their job description and they are doing it exactly as it's described and for that they get their minimum wage.

😀 Wow, you are a tool. So, you make your friends cover your part of the tip?

 

[torpid]

In China and Japan
Good Service = Customer pays the bill, no tip (I had them chase me down because they thought I accidentally left my money)
Bad Service = Customer doesn't pay

BTW, what we consider normal service in the US would not fly in Asia. Something as simple as a teacup (small things) left unfilled indicates server incompetence and warrants an apology from the manager. Hell, even at McDs you have workers who takes your trash away.

That system would be much better than our tipping system. However, if you tried it here under current laws, you could be arrested. I've not been to restaurants in Asia, unless Turkey counts. The service there was pretty good, but nothing extraordinary. Perhaps we need a tipping system here because we have such low standards for service?

Let's be clear here. I'm not talking a cocktail and a glass of wine, I'm talking about several bottles of wine that can come to $300+ easily. Are you seriously going to tip $60 for somebody to open some wine for you, ON TOP OF the tip for the food? I live in NYC, always have, and every restaurant I've been to here and anywhere else in the country has had separate areas on the bill for food and alcohol. I also don't know anyone who tips 15-20% on wine, so you must be hanging with some high rollers.

At the places where I'd be likely to spend $300 on wine, you bet I will tip on it at about the standard rate. The sommelier gets tipped out at places like that and actually does contribute significantly to the wine choices, makes recommendations, etc.

These servants aren't doing anything more special than the people at Olive Garden, yet they get a $120 (from $500+ dinners) for basically the same work. The only difference i've seen is that they know more about food in general vs just memorizing the menu at lower end places, but I couldn't really give a shit about that.

You need to eat at nicer places at that price point if you can't tell the difference. If you go to, say, Alinea or Per Se (both in the price point you mentioned), and can't tell the difference in what they are doing then you need to pay more attention. It is like going to a symphony at Madison Square Garden vs listening to your neighbor's 5 year old pound random keys on his keyboard.

 

[Felisity]

Yeah, we are in a suburb thats about 20-30 mins west of the city. Black people here dont tip, or tip like shit (5% tip).

Hubby is from Lisle / Naperville, and his Mom serves at a tiny local breakfast diner. I should see what her experience is.... I'm guessing it would be similar. 🙁

 

[PlasmaBomb]

If only fleabag hadn't been banned yesterday we could have a perfect trifecta.

What did he do now?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

You are so right. I was a waitress through high school and college... you can't expect a good tip for sub-par service. Tipping is discretionary, however, if service is average and someone a patron doesn't tip I think the restaurant should be able to reserve the right to ban those patrons as it's not fair to servers only making a couple of dollars an hour to do back-breaking work to receive nothing.

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ATOT you are slipping...

 

[hanoverphist]

Hmmm...I don't recall saying that I provided crappy service except to those who deserved it (and some ungrateful assholes most certainly do). In fact, I was often complimented by managers and customers alike on my excellent service. I never expected 20%, but was often given over that. I never claimed that I was the 'best in the bizz'. Seems you are assuming a lot. Oh and BTW, I do have a career now, have for quite a while. I work for commissions which are renewing, and have over a 95% retention rate (which is considered excellent in my business). I have NEVER lost a client due to disatisfaction with my service...so...you know the rest 🙂

i just generalized as much as you did, sparky.

 

[Capt Caveman]

What did he do now?

Since he's been permanently banned from the Garage forum, he's been trying to post idiotic car threads here.

 

[nick1985]

Hubby is from Lisle / Naperville, and his Mom serves at a tiny local breakfast diner. I should see what her experience is.... I'm guessing it would be similar. 🙁

You should. I'm actually curious

 

[KingGheedora]

That system would be much better than our tipping system. However, if you tried it here under current laws, you could be arrested. I've not been to restaurants in Asia, unless Turkey counts. The service there was pretty good, but nothing extraordinary. Perhaps we need a tipping system here because we have such low standards for service?



At the places where I'd be likely to spend $300 on wine, you bet I will tip on it at about the standard rate. The sommelier gets tipped out at places like that and actually does contribute significantly to the wine choices, makes recommendations, etc.



You need to eat at nicer places at that price point if you can't tell the difference. If you go to, say, Alinea or Per Se (both in the price point you mentioned), and can't tell the difference in what they are doing then you need to pay more attention. It is like going to a symphony at Madison Square Garden vs listening to your neighbor's 5 year old pound random keys on his keyboard.

Can you describe what it is you feel is worth the extra tip at the higher end places? What are they doing on top of taking your order and bringing your food and drinks? Are they doing backflips, juggling flaming bowling pins, and reciting poetry for you?

 

[TubeTote]

i just generalized as much as you did, sparky.

Oh

 

[zerocool84]

Yeah, this guy is complete trash.

The restaurant pays its employees considerably less than the prevailing wage (often less than minimum wage) based upon the expectation that customers will tip. Consequently, the food is offered at a lower price than it would be if employee wages were included.

If all people were parasites like zerocool84, food prices would be significantly higher to account for employee wages. Luckily for him most other people aren't losers, so he can continue to leech the system like the deadbeat thief he is.

How many times does it need to be posted that it's law that they make minimum wage? That argument is so old it doesn't count at all. You guys are fine giving people something extra for doing nothing but I'm not. I prefer people earn things. They do a good job I tip them, they do nothing that warrants extra then they get no extra but I forget this is ATOT and everyone has millions of dollars to give out to everyone no matter how crappy they are at their job. Oh and I didn't know I was a deadbeat thief and was breaking the law. People need to earn it plain and simple and too many servers except to be tipped no matter how bad of a job they do which fits well with this handout society we have.

 

[Gothgar]

my tips are earned

if I get great service all around I will tip well... more than 15% easy

 

[Nik]

How about reading the story first.

She goes there a LOT. Enough to where they notice her. So I guess she is happy with the food/service or would not return.

If you like the food/service, you pay the price on the menu for the meal. Tipping is earned, not deserved just because you're doing your job.