Ballot measure losses jolt the religious right

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Platypus
I guess it should shock me how many ignorant people there are in this country but nothing really surprises me anymore.

I would vote against a ban on abortion and I don't really give a crap if gays are allowed to marry each other. I'm a registered Republican BTW.

Oh, and stem cell research is fine with me too. :thumbsup:

Again proving the point that "republican" and "ultra conservative" aren't always in the same boat. :thumbsup:

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

If the major roadblock is legal/tax status as "married," why do religious organizations have to be involved? There are plenty of "churches" which will marry a same-sex couple. Just the government won't recognize it.

 

[dawnbug]

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

Why isn't marriage a right? Because some religions decided that it's wrong for people to be gay? Marriage isn't a religious issue-- it's a state issue. I plan on getting married some day, but at a courthouse, not a church. What I plan on doing is still considered marriage, even without the religious aspect. It just doesn't make sense.

Heh, and people say that marriage should be about love, not sex. Apparently, it's all about sex.

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Platypus
I guess it should shock me how many ignorant people there are in this country but nothing really surprises me anymore.

I would vote against a ban on abortion and I don't really give a crap if gays are allowed to marry each other. I'm a registered Republican BTW.

Oh, and stem cell research is fine with me too. :thumbsup:

There is no ban on stem cell research......the issue is using our tax dollars to fund lobbyists and researchers when there is plenty of private money willing to do it. Do you think it's fair that 51% of people can vote to force 100% of the people to fund a science that 49% of the people are against?

That's how democracy works.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

That won't work. I used to be of the same mindset. It would cause undue discrimination against gays even more so than today.

Just think about it, you go apply for a job and you have to check the "civil union" box. The employer instantly knows you are gay.

It will create a HUGE backlash. When the employee could have kept his personal life personal, not he wouldn't be able to just because of a simply check mark.

Either call EVERYTHING a civil union or give in on the marriage idea.

How about a box marked "Marriage/Civil Union?"

Correct. Since there would be inherent discrimination with separate "Marriage" and "Civil Union" boxes, they would be lumped together.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

Why isn't marriage a right? Because some religions decided that it's wrong for people to be gay? Marriage isn't a religious issue-- it's a state issue. I plan on getting married some day, but at a courthouse, not a church. What I plan on doing is still considered marriage, even without the religious aspect. It just doesn't make sense.

Heh, and people say that marriage should be about love, not sex. Apparently, it's all about sex.

Why do yout think they think it's wrong?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

It is in the interest of society/government to promote traditional marriage because it increases the tax base and grows the country. Gay unions do not accomplish this.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

If the major roadblock is legal/tax status as "married," why do religious organizations have to be involved? There are plenty of "churches" which will marry a same-sex couple. Just the government won't recognize it.

you get penalized (tax-wise) when you get married...

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

Why isn't marriage a right? Because some religions decided that it's wrong for people to be gay? Marriage isn't a religious issue-- it's a state issue. I plan on getting married some day, but at a courthouse, not a church. What I plan on doing is still considered marriage, even without the religious aspect. It just doesn't make sense.

Heh, and people say that marriage should be about love, not sex. Apparently, it's all about sex.

Religion invented marriage, not a government.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Platypus
I guess it should shock me how many ignorant people there are in this country but nothing really surprises me anymore.

I would vote against a ban on abortion and I don't really give a crap if gays are allowed to marry each other. I'm a registered Republican BTW.

Oh, and stem cell research is fine with me too. :thumbsup:

There is no ban on stem cell research......the issue is using our tax dollars to fund lobbyists and researchers when there is plenty of private money willing to do it. Do you think it's fair that 51% of people can vote to force 100% of the people to fund a science that 49% of the people are against?

That's how democracy works.

Yes, but we live in a Republic, not a democracy. This is why I am against pure democracy; it inevitably leads to socialism.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

It is in the interest of society/government to promote traditional marriage because it increases the tax base and grows the country. Gay unions do not accomplish this.

Condidering the declining US birth rate and the fact that gay couples can adopt children, I find this a poor argument.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

It is in the interest of society/government to promote traditional marriage because it increases the tax base and grows the country. Gay unions do not accomplish this.

Condidering the declining US birth rate and the fact that gay couples can adopt children, I find this a poor argument.

You just made my argument stronger...

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

It is in the interest of society/government to promote traditional marriage because it increases the tax base and grows the country. Gay unions do not accomplish this.

Condidering the declining US birth rate and the fact that gay couples can adopt children, I find this a poor argument.

You just made my argument stronger...

Maybe it's just me being really tired, but I don't see where you are going with that.

 

[morkman100]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

It is in the interest of society/government to promote traditional marriage because it increases the tax base and grows the country. Gay unions do not accomplish this.

Condidering the declining US birth rate and the fact that gay couples can adopt children, I find this a poor argument.

You just made my argument stronger...

So straight married couples are having less children because gay couples want to get married? Doesn't encouraging marriage promote better and more stable family life, whether straight or gay? Out of wedlock births also "increases the tax base and grows the country" but the government spends $200 million a year telling single 29 year olds not to have sex.

 

[Dean]

Personally I think all forms of the Bible should be banned. The world would be a better place.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

Why isn't marriage a right? Because some religions decided that it's wrong for people to be gay? Marriage isn't a religious issue-- it's a state issue. I plan on getting married some day, but at a courthouse, not a church. What I plan on doing is still considered marriage, even without the religious aspect. It just doesn't make sense.

Heh, and people say that marriage should be about love, not sex. Apparently, it's all about sex.

Religion invented marriage, not a government.

Ehhhhh...I take a more Libertarian view point and don't really see why government got involved in things like this to begin with.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Dean
Personally I think all forms of the Bible should be banned. The world would be a better place.

You've obviously never read the New Testament...

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dean
Personally I think all forms of the Bible should be banned. The world would be a better place.

You've obviously never read the New Testament...

Or watched South Park. :laugh:

 

[MaxDepth]

Can't you be Red and gay?

(That was the funniest family Guy I have seen.)

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Dean
Personally I think all forms of the Bible should be banned. The world would be a better place.

You've obviously never read the New Testament...

Or watched South Park. :laugh:

lol, Science damn you!!!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

Why isn't marriage a right? Because some religions decided that it's wrong for people to be gay? Marriage isn't a religious issue-- it's a state issue. I plan on getting married some day, but at a courthouse, not a church. What I plan on doing is still considered marriage, even without the religious aspect. It just doesn't make sense.

Heh, and people say that marriage should be about love, not sex. Apparently, it's all about sex.

Religion invented marriage, not a government.

Ehhhhh...I take a more Libertarian view point and don't really see why government got involved in things like this to begin with.

unfortunately, that's probably never (ever) going to change.

the best we can do is look at marriage in the eyes of the law as simply a social contract.

 

[Pollock]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Can't you be Red and gay?

(That was the funniest family Guy I have seen.)

Wasn't that American Dad?

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Dean
Personally I think all forms of the Bible should be banned. The world would be a better place.

You should run for office.

Dean: Making the world more free by banning things.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: Dean
Personally I think all forms of the Bible should be banned. The world would be a better place.

You should run for office.

Dean: Making the world more free by banning things.

:laugh:

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Number1

Abortion ban in South Dakota = REJECTED.


Stem cell research in Missouri = APPROVED.


Same-sex marriage ban in Arizona = REJECTED.


MSNBC


This is a GREAT day for America.

Congratulation.

Just so you know, same-sex marriage is already illegal in Arizona. The prop would have removed benefits for anyone with a civil union, including heterosexual couples.

The religious right successfully rallied old people and college students against it despite giving it a clever name like "protecting the sanctity of marriage." Literally, gay marriages are already illegal in Arizona and the religious right was looking to screw over people, not protect marriage because the bill had NOTHING to do with the religious institution of marriage.

Those other states that passed same-sex marriage bans were actually banning homosexual marriage, a law that was not already in place. In Arizona it was really just a stupid idea from the beginning.

And apparently in Arizona, we've made English the official language even though it goes against our constitution. Strange