Ballot measure losses jolt the religious right

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: daveshel
The same Arizona electorate made English the official language.

As it should be.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Platypus
I guess it should shock me how many ignorant people there are in this country but nothing really surprises me anymore.

Nah, if anything, be pleased that the country is gaining acceptance. Of course it's not there yet, but it's far better than it has been in the past.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Shawn

Originally posted by: loki8481
virginia's amendment is hilarious. I can't wait to laugh after it ***** them in the butt.

?

Yes, explain.,

it doesn't just ban gay marriage... it bans anything that might even resemble marriage, for both straight and gay people.

want to write up a will to pass your property down to your best friend? well, that might be illegal in Virginia now. it's really rife for someone to challenge in court.

to quote from one analysis...

the text is confusing and overly broad. It could threaten all types of legal arrangements between unmarried people, gay or straight. That includes advance medical directives, wills and protection from abuse orders.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/dp...1181758.story?coll=dp-news-local-final

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

 

[Cattlegod]

Affirmative Action ban in Michigan - Approved

Finally, one step closer to equality.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

Hit the nail on the head. Marriage is sacred because it's specifically mentioned in the Bible and will never fly. Civil unions would make it all better.

 

[DefDC]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

Hit the nail on the head. Marriage is sacred because it's specifically mentioned in the Bible and will never fly. Civil unions would make it all better.

So is eating and drinking, but gays can do that with no blasphemy. :roll: You need to be careful with your "separate-but-equal" stance. Learn from the past. We've been down this road before.

 

[nageov3t]

unfortunately, most of the bans outlawed both gay marriage AND civil unions.

/shrug

not really my problem if other states don't want my large amount of disposable income.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: MrChad
Don't get too excited.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/po...cs/2006/initiatives_2006.html#marriage

Same-sex marriage ban initiatives:

Arizona: Rejected
Colorado: Approved
Idaho: Approved
South Carolina: Approved
South Dakota: Approved
Tennessee: Approved
Virginia: Approved
Wisconsin: Approved

lol i love how MSNBC spins that shvt

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Aimster
arent all these determined by the supreme court anyways?

Abortion has obviously been decided already by the supreme court, but there may be enough conservative justices to overturn that now... passing a law against abortion would be the first step.

The same sex marriage votes were mostly for state constitutional amendments I think. Constitution > court.

FYI right to abortion is not in the Constitution.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I applaud the stem cell research, it will help a lot of the worlds citizens regardless of color, creed, nationality or political belief.

or amount to billions of dollars going to lobbyists and researchers with zero discoveries...personally I think something like this should be kept in private enterprise.

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Aimster
arent all these determined by the supreme court anyways?

Abortion has obviously been decided already by the supreme court, but there may be enough conservative justices to overturn that now... passing a law against abortion would be the first step.

The same sex marriage votes were mostly for state constitutional amendments I think. Constitution > court.

FYI right to abortion is not in the Constitution.

Neither is your right to use a computer. Or drive a car.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I applaud the stem cell research, it will help a lot of the worlds citizens regardless of color, creed, nationality or political belief.

or amount to billions of dollars going to lobbyists and researchers with zero discoveries...personally I think something like this should be kept in private enterprise.

Pretty much. There was one conglomerate in Missouri that will be THE major beneficiary of the stem cell bill passed in Missouri. They're also the ones that supplied over 90% of the funds for the campaign ads.

The stem cell campaign was also very misleading as it rarely made mention of embryonic stem cell research and the moral and ethical issues that arises from it and made no mention of the fact that this bill makes cloning of embryos legal.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Platypus
I guess it should shock me how many ignorant people there are in this country but nothing really surprises me anymore.

I would vote against a ban on abortion and I don't really give a crap if gays are allowed to marry each other. I'm a registered Republican BTW.

Oh, and stem cell research is fine with me too. :thumbsup:

There is no ban on stem cell research......the issue is using our tax dollars to fund lobbyists and researchers when there is plenty of private money willing to do it. Do you think it's fair that 51% of people can vote to force 100% of the people to fund a science that 49% of the people are against?

 

[amddude]

Nominate ban for OP for posting this in OT. P&N <--------

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Aimster
arent all these determined by the supreme court anyways?

Abortion has obviously been decided already by the supreme court, but there may be enough conservative justices to overturn that now... passing a law against abortion would be the first step.

The same sex marriage votes were mostly for state constitutional amendments I think. Constitution > court.

FYI right to abortion is not in the Constitution.

Neither is your right to use a computer. Or drive a car.

non-sequitor FTL

 

[Queasy]

Good news for conservatives:

- Michigan passed a law banning the use of affirmative action (racial preferences) by state agencies and universities.

- States with same-sex marriage bans grew by 7.

- Restrictions on the use of eminent domain passed resoundingly.

- Prop 87 in California (big taxes on oil to fund alternative energy research) was defeated.

- Congress' leading anti-illegal immigration activist (Tancredo) won his fifth term by a large margin.

- Arizona approved 4 ballot measures targeting illegal immigration

this belongs in P&N though.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

That won't work. I used to be of the same mindset. It would cause undue discrimination against gays even more so than today.

Just think about it, you go apply for a job and you have to check the "civil union" box. The employer instantly knows you are gay.

It will create a HUGE backlash. When the employee could have kept his personal life personal, not he wouldn't be able to just because of a simply check mark.

Either call EVERYTHING a civil union or give in on the marriage idea.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

but i don't want a religious tainted "marriage", i want a civil union, but i'm not homosexual!
i demand equal rights for hetero's!!

 

[Queasy]

I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Andyb23
I applaud the stem cell research, it will help a lot of the worlds citizens regardless of color, creed, nationality or political belief.

or amount to billions of dollars going to lobbyists and researchers with zero discoveries...personally I think something like this should be kept in private enterprise.

I believe this had to do with Cloning and not for medical research.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

Yay I want to marry my donkey

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I think the big question should be, "Why is government in the business of regulating marriage in the first place?"

Let individuals and religious organizations make that determination.

I think that is what the vote did; let the people decide.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

That won't work. I used to be of the same mindset. It would cause undue discrimination against gays even more so than today.

Just think about it, you go apply for a job and you have to check the "civil union" box. The employer instantly knows you are gay.

It will create a HUGE backlash. When the employee could have kept his personal life personal, not he wouldn't be able to just because of a simply check mark.

Either call EVERYTHING a civil union or give in on the marriage idea.

How about a box marked "Marriage/Civil Union?"

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: chambersc

Originally posted by: aberdeen5
Marriage is between an man and women. Theres nothing wrong with same sex couples having the same rights as us...but marraige isn't a right. I live next to a same sex couple and I don't care at all, but the government shouldn't make those decisions. The people should, which is what happened.

I'd agree with you. If civil unions had the same rights as marriages then I'd favor civil unions only for homosexual couples.

:thumbsup:

That won't work as hetero's don't want to be considered with gays.



That won't work. I used to be of the same mindset. It would cause undue discrimination against gays even more so than today.

Just think about it, you go apply for a job and you have to check the "civil union" box. The employer instantly knows you are gay.

It will create a HUGE backlash. When the employee could have kept his personal life personal, not he wouldn't be able to just because of a simply check mark.

Either call EVERYTHING a civil union or give in on the marriage idea.

How about a box marked "Marriage/Civil Union?"