Bailout bill failing in House

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Eeezee

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Excellent... we finally have one of those amazing buying opportunities that I've been waiting for!

I think that I'm going to buy a shitload of Apple stock tomorrow while it's cheap.

I don't think tomorrow is the day to buy. I'm of the feeling that the worst has yet to come.

I'm waiting for the DOW to drop below 10k.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

the cynic in me likes this theory

Oh, I'm sure congress will go home tonight and decide what stocks to buy, then pass a bailout tomorrow.

:p
 

GTKeeper

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FYI

Just to kind of make things sadder than they are already.

The banking failures have been to the tune about 1.2 trillion dollars so far.......



That is more money than the banks have ever made in their history!

I think its time to seriously curb compensation for the financial industry.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

the cynic in me likes this theory

Oh, I'm sure congress will go home tonight and decide what stocks to buy, then pass a bailout tomorrow.

:p

the cynic in me really likes this theory
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

the cynic in me likes this theory

Oh, I'm sure congress will go home tonight and decide what stocks to buy, then pass a bailout tomorrow.

:p

:laugh:

Funny, scary, and absurd all at once.
 

Drakkon

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Originally posted by: Balt
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

I think you give her too much credit for inventiveness. I think it's far more likely that she's just a dunce.
I think Axelrod can be just as inventive as Rove and may have played a role ;)
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Roll Call for the House vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

Im suprised at some of the Dems voting no...

They were probably getting hammered by their constituents over the weekend. Political suicide if they were going to go for re-election.

Jackson-Lee, Al Green, Gene Green, none should have problems getting re-elected.

Shuler and Dogget I can understand.

Im suprised Chet Edwards voted for it. Although he has been trying to shy away from his blue dog image as of late.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

Looks like your tinfoil hat is too tight and starting to pinch off the blood supply.
 

SlickSnake

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(repost I made from a just locked topic in Off Topic. And why that was locked there when topics are repeated there all the time from P&N is anyones guess.)

The so-called financial companies (pyramid schemes) that made the stupid descisions need to die, not be rewarded. Their assets need to be sold or just handed over to the FEDs to liquidate them to other companies that were not trying to game the system and juggle the books for the short term investors and shareholders.

Not bailing these financial crooks out is also the best method of saving the economy from the clowns running the financial circuses that are dragging the USA down with them. These greedy firms have ruthlessly pillaged their own financial resources to the point they are left begging for a hand out from Uncle Sam and the taxpayers. They had the chance to put the brakes on over lending/spending in their firms years ago, and they obviously failed to do so.

But yet their CEOs and shareholders and investors got paid, and even obscenely so. But when you institutionalize cooking the books like this for years, and the Feds convieniently look the other way because of the powerful financial lobbies, you can bet the balloning debt will come due sooner rather than later. The taxpayers don't owe these financial thiefs one red cent to continue shady business practices as usual.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Wreckem

Jackson-Lee, Al Green, Gene Green, none should have problems getting re-elected.

what were their constituents going to do, vote republican?

:laugh:


:sigh;
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

She brought 60% to the table. 60% of the majority party coming to the table is an ABYSMAL job for a House Speaker and Majority Leadership.

How is 30% for the Republican leadership, for a bill from their own party's White House?

I say again, your call for leadership to be able to force these votes is calling for corruption.


The bill isnt from the White House. The Bill is very much democratic written. This isnt about Bush. We all know hes incompetent.The House GOP started breaking away from Bush long ago. And for the last damn time its not corruption. Its called negotiating.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

Looks like your tinfoil hat is too tight and starting to pinch off the blood supply.

Do you have a better explanation for her total lack of judgment and complete lunacy?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Roll Call for the House vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

Im suprised at some of the Dems voting no...

Of course you are, because the only thing you know about the dems generally are the straw men you have.

If a little old lady fell down in the street and a dem stopped to help. you would probably be surprised they didn't grab her purse, start to run, go back and kick her, then run.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
Originally posted by: dbk
94 house dems voted against it..pretty significant

133 voted for.

~63 Reps voted for it - Half of the Reps voted against!

Umm

140 Dems voted for.

133 Repubs voted against.

It breaks down to

67.xx% of Repubs voted no.
40.xx% of Dems voted no.
 

ultimatebob

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Excellent... we finally have one of those amazing buying opportunities that I've been waiting for!

I think that I'm going to buy a shitload of Apple stock tomorrow while it's cheap.

I don't think tomorrow is the day to buy. I'm of the feeling that the worst has yet to come.

I'm waiting for the DOW to drop below 10k.

I think that the market will rebound once they come up with a practical bailout package later this week. The time to buy is soon!
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

Looks like your tinfoil hat is too tight and starting to pinch off the blood supply.

Do you have a better explanation for her total lack of judgment and complete lunacy?

Yeah, that she honestly believes that Bush has been a lousy President and that "Main Street" should not be forced to suffer for the faults of Wall Street.

This shit is pretty weak. You hacks are falling on kindgergarten tactics. Grandstanding speeches are a common everyday thing in the House, and whatever Pelosi said did not change what was already in the bill.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

She brought 60% to the table. 60% of the majority party coming to the table is an ABYSMAL job for a House Speaker and Majority Leadership.

How is 30% for the Republican leadership, for a bill from their own party's White House?

I say again, your call for leadership to be able to force these votes is calling for corruption.


The bill isnt from the White House. The Bill is very much democratic written. This isnt about Bush. We all know hes incompetent.The House GOP started breaking away from Bush long ago. And for the last damn time its not corruption. Its called negotiating.

Promises, promises.

First, it's a White House plan. It was created by them, and then adjusted in negotiations, maintaining its main components, and continuing to have strong White House agreement.

Second, you are calling for members who have 100 to 1 public opinion against the bill, to have the leadership 'offer them carrots' to change their vote.

You insist that's not corruption but negotiation. Negotiation is when Pelosi says "I'd like there to be funding for ACORN, but I see you Republicans are strongly against that, and since it's not critical to the bill, I'll remove it to get you to agree to voting for the bill instead of letting ACORN block agreement, as long as you agree to the CEO pay caps democrats want."

That's not what you're calling for. You're calling for "carrots" that ask members to vote against their principles and/or strong constituent wishes. I.e., Bribery.

An example? In the Medicare drug bill vote that Republicans hels open unlike any bill in American history, all night to try to arm twist the votes needed, you had one Republican say the leadership had told him they'd destroy his son's chances to run for office if he didn't change his vote but would back him and offer $100,000 to the campaign if he changed his vote. That's corruption, and it's what you're calling for.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Roll Call for the House vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml

Im suprised at some of the Dems voting no...

Of course you are, because the only thing you know about the dems generally are the straw men you have.

If a little old lady fell down in the street and a dem stopped to help. you would probably be surprised they didn't grab her purse, start to run, go back and kick her, then run.

I know more about Texas Politics than you do. And yes it is very suprising that certain Texas Dems voted no.

 

compuwiz1

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I agree with Jeffrey Miron's view.

I've been saying all along don't bail them out. Why should the government provide funds to incompetent people who couldn't run these institutions properly to begin with? A bailout is not going to solve the problem. In the spirit of tough love, I hope the bailout does not pass. No further enabling necessary. :roll:
 

TheSlamma

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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
I agree with Jeffrey Miron's view.

I've been saying all along don't bail them out. Why should the government provide funds to incompetent people who couldn't run these institutions properly to begin with? A bailout is not going to solve the problem. In the spirit of tough love, I hope the bailout does not pass.

:thumbsup:
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.

Looks like your tinfoil hat is too tight and starting to pinch off the blood supply.

Do you have a better explanation for her total lack of judgment and complete lunacy?

Yeah, that she honestly believes that Bush has been a lousy President and that "Main Street" should not be forced to suffer for the faults of Wall Street.

This shit is pretty weak. You hacks are falling on kindgergarten tactics. Grandstanding speeches are a common everyday thing in the House, and whatever Pelosi said did not change what was already in the bill.

LOL Mr. "Malign-Both-Sides" is the worst apologist of them all. NO ONE should stand for what happened today, Democrat or Republican. The fact that you're willing to only sheds light on how truly biased you are. We're *all* a bunch of hacks, but you're our leader.