Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Theory friend and i were discussing:
At last minute Pelosi did her speech to make the bill fail. She knew the numbers on her side and the rep side. She knew if she threw a bomb it could throw the reps off. By doing so shes thrown the issue to the forefront. She brought her dems to the table...delivered 2/3rds. The republicans couldn't ban together and it makes McCain look like his party is in disarray as they said they were at the table all along. Obama gained 5 points this weekend. So long as the economy is at the forefront Obama seems to gain. By making this bill fail the first time Pelosi has given the dems a huge advantae this week. The economy becomes the discussion, the debate this week will focus on economy no doubt, and Obama if he can manage to keep keep his people in line will gain a signifigant advantage.
She brought 60% to the table. 60% of the majority party coming to the table is an ABYSMAL job for a House Speaker and Majority Leadership.
How is 30% for the Republican leadership, for a bill from their own party's White House?
I say again, your call for leadership to be able to force these votes is calling for corruption.
The bill isnt from the White House. The Bill is very much democratic written. This isnt about Bush. We all know hes incompetent.The House GOP started breaking away from Bush long ago.
And for the last damn time its not corruption. Its called negotiating.
Promises, promises.
First, it's a White House plan. It was created by them, and then adjusted in negotiations, maintaining its main components, and continuing to have strong White House agreement.
Second, you are calling for members who have 100 to 1 public opinion against the bill, to have the leadership 'offer them carrots' to change their vote.
You insist that's not corruption but negotiation. Negotiation is when Pelosi says "I'd like there to be funding for ACORN, but I see you Republicans are strongly against that, and since it's not critical to the bill, I'll remove it to get you to agree to voting for the bill instead of letting ACORN block agreement, as long as you agree to the CEO pay caps democrats want."
That's not what you're calling for. You're calling for "carrots" that ask members to vote against their principles and/or strong constituent wishes. I.e., Bribery.
An example? In the Medicare drug bill vote that Republicans hels open unlike any bill in American history, all night to try to arm twist the votes needed, you had one Republican say the leadership had told him they'd destroy his son's chances to run for office if he didn't change his vote but would back him and offer $100,000 to the campaign if he changed his vote. That's corruption, and it's what you're calling for.