Bad karma is a bitch.

[waggy]

yea, because EMT's are used to delivering premature babies with no equipment...

so doing nothing is better why again?

 

[purbeast0]

so doing nothing is better why again?

they told the workers to call 911 ... what more do you think they could have done?

and since nobody else in the store did anything, should they all have died too?

 

[Pliablemoose]

The EMT had at least a moral obligation to render aid with the premature baby and mother.

Karma's a bitch sometimes...

 

[AstroManLuca]

they told the workers to call 911 ... what more do you think they could have done?

I don't know, I'm not an EMT. Maybe you should ask an EMT what they would do in a situation where someone is in distress? They'd probably know, since it's their fucking JOB and they were TRAINED to do it.

and since nobody else in the store did anything, should they all have died too?

That much does bother me. I don't know why people are incapable of at least picking up the damn phone if they see someone who's obviously in need of help. Still, the EMTs probably should have called. They'd probably be able to give more useful information to the people on the other end of the line.

 

[Numenorean]

The EMT had at least a moral obligation to render aid with the premature baby and mother.

Karma's a bitch sometimes...

Then they help, they can't save them, then they get sued.

 

[highland145]

Then they help, they can't save them, then they get sued.

So lawyers have usurped our morality? May be true but still sucks.

 

[MJinZ]

I don't know, I'm not an EMT. Maybe you should ask an EMT what they would do in a situation where someone is in distress? They'd probably know, since it's their fucking JOB and they were TRAINED to do it.



That much does bother me. I don't know why people are incapable of at least picking up the damn phone if they see someone who's obviously in need of help. Still, the EMTs probably should have called. They'd probably be able to give more useful information to the people on the other end of the line.

I am EMT Certified (it just ran actually), though I never practiced.

The law here in MA is that while you are in uniform, you are obligated to help people regardless of whether you are on break or on duty.

Normally, if you are not a douche-bag, you would definitely help.

These two are most likely douche-bags, and I don't know about NY laws, so I can't say whether what they did was criminally negligent.

IN any case, no I was not trained for problematic births. Actually, IIRC, any birthing involves calling for backup - which is the default response for any EMT ("Call for ALS or Advanced Life Support"). Paramedics would then arrive to deal with the situation while the EMTs provide support.

 

[geno]

when you do wrong things, life has a way of bringing bad things back to you.[/B]

Not true, but whatever helps them sleep better at night.

 

[eits]

they told the workers to call 911 ... what more do you think they could have done?

and since nobody else in the store did anything, should they all have died too?

assess her situation, checked to see what was wrong, and delivered the baby while someone called 911 for help.

he's knowledgeable about what to do... the average person on the street is not.

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

they told the workers to call 911 ... what more do you think they could have done?

and since nobody else in the store did anything, should they all have died too?

Well the article does state the EMT's were under criminal investigation, not the store workers.

 

[Narmer]

assess her situation, checked to see what was wrong, and delivered the baby while someone called 911 for help.

he's knowledgeable about what to do... the average person on the street is not.

and if something went wrong he would have been sued. Good samaritans get the short end of the stick these days.

 

[purbeast0]

assess her situation, checked to see what was wrong, and delivered the baby while someone called 911 for help.

he's knowledgeable about what to do... the average person on the street is not.

read MJinz response above as what EMT's are trained to do in case of births of this such...

apparently everyone assumes they are knowledgable and trained on how to deliver babies, but MJinz who is certified EMT says otherwise.

 

[waggy]

and if something went wrong he would have been sued. Good samaritans get the short end of the stick these days.

thats not true. in fact many states are making good Samaritan laws stronger.

 

[eits]

read MJinz response above as what EMT's are trained to do in case of births of this such...

apparently everyone assumes they are knowledgable and trained on how to deliver babies, but MJinz who is certified EMT says otherwise.

mjinz isn't an emt. emts are taught how to deliver babies as they go. also, he wasn't taught problematic deliveries. that doesn't mean he wasn't taught deliveries.

that still doesn't negate the fact that he's more qualified to stay with the lady than anyone else there was and help her every way he can until the paramedics arrive to deliver the baby.

 

[highland145]

mjinz isn't an emt. emts are taught how to deliver babies as they go. also, he wasn't taught problematic deliveries. that doesn't mean he wasn't taught deliveries.

that still doesn't negate the fact that he's more qualified to stay with the lady than anyone else there was and help her every way he can until the paramedics arrive to deliver the baby.

Combined with the fact they were under criminal investigation for their lack of action.

 

[dpodblood]

yea, because EMT's are used to delivering premature babies with no equipment...

No equipment? What did they park the ambulance 3 miles from the coffee shop?

 

[ussfletcher]

EMT's or police, or fire fighters for that matter have no obligation to help someone in distress. There are many court cases that defend this principle, one of which is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia.

 

[highland145]

EMT's or police, or fire fighters for that matter have no obligation to help someone in distress. There are many court cases that defend this principle, one of which is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia.

Karma says otherwise.

 

[Patranus]

How does science explain Karma?

Well, I think one could argue that if you are that big of a jack ass then you probably put yourself in bad situations or surround yourself with shady characters. If that is the case it would be no surprise he got himself shot.

 

[Patranus]

IN any case, no I was not trained for problematic births. Actually, IIRC, any birthing involves calling for backup - which is the default response for any EMT ("Call for ALS or Advanced Life Support"). Paramedics would then arrive to deal with the situation while the EMTs provide support.

She had a seizure, it was not birth related.

 

[JTsyo]

Even if they helped she might have died but she would have had a better chance. I'm not sure what was involved but int he medical emergency minutes would matter. Just to walk away is cold hearted.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Karma says otherwise.

A soul resolves their Karma over countless lifetimes. Karma is being used in this situation as a cute little buzz word and not for it's real meaning.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

A soul resolves their Karma over countless lifetimes. Karma is being used in this situation as a cute little buzz word and not for it's real meaning.

This. People confuse karma (the actual religious belief) and instant karma (just funny coincidences) all the time. I wonder how many christians are talking about karma too since it basicly equates to practicing a different religion. Also, I hope all the people saying this was a good thing to happen look like someone that did something terrible and get shot in the face (/sarcasim).

 

[MJinZ]

She had a seizure, it was not birth related.

How did she die of a seizure?

 

[GrumpyMan]

I would care about the EMT's death but I'm on break, I'll care when I get back on the clock.