Author Chris Kyle fatally shot on gun range

[fskimospy]

He was a solider fighting in a War that or elected politicians decided needed to be conducted. He was doing his job. A job that his country sent him to do. Did you even read his book? He didn't brag about killing people. However he didn't show remorse over killing people that where out to kill US Soldiers. He longest sniper shot over 2100 yards against a guy who was going to fire a RPG at a US Military convoy. He gave us a insight into his world and showed us what we ask or military to do when we send them overseas to fight for this country.

Let there be no mistake, he chose to go there and do what he did. He not only enlisted to begin with, but re-enlisted. If he didn't approve of the war he had a chance to stop and he didn't.

 

[sigurros81]

The amount of vitriol and hate coming from you pieces of shit posters are astounding. Two Americans died, men who gave a lot for their country. Show some god damn respect.

 

[FaaR]

Call me uninformed but taking someone with PTSD to a gun range doesn't sound like the wisest thing to do.

What you talking about? A gun never killed anyone! People kill people.

Ya, for realz, if you're a card-carrying NRA member!

 

[fskimospy]

The amount of vitriol and hate coming from you pieces of shit posters are astounding. Two Americans died, men who gave a lot for their country. Show some god damn respect.

Why should people be required to give respect to those who voluntarily did things they found reprehensible? That's ridiculous.

I don't really have feelings about this guy either way, but America's military fetishism has really gotten old/creepy to me.

 

[klinc]

Depends on your pov....snipers save lives too. The man was performing what he was trained to do.

You can say the same about the soldier he killed. But that's not the point. If you kill 255 people your seen as a monster in most circles. But like u said he did what he was trained for. But the problem comes in when you are paraded around for how many people you killed. From the one side his a good soldier a hero from the opposite side he is not. He is a monster. So who decide what is evil or what is more evil than a other? So people will have different views looking at it and one can not say they are idiots or arses because they might value life and off course its wrong to keep count of how many people you have killed.

The US introduced the kill ratio and the confirmed kills when they were fighting against guerrilla fighters in Vietnam. So they thought they can sort of establish if they are making any progress against the guerrilla tactics. Didn't work out well because they replaced them quicker than they were killed. Since then they kept that which is strange cause its not really working in guerrilla warfare which most wars are these days

 

[Tom]

You can say the same about the soldier he killed. But that's not the point. If you kill 255 people your seen as a monster in most circles. But like u said he did what he was trained for. But the problem comes in when you are paraded around for how many people you killed. From the one side his a good soldier a hero from the opposite side he is not. He is a monster. So who decide what is evil or what is more evil than a other? So people will have different views looking at it and one can not say they are idiots or arses because they might value life and off course its wrong to keep count of how many people you have killed.

The US introduced the kill ratio and the confirmed kills when they were fighting against guerrilla fighters in Vietnam. So they thought they can sort of establish if they are making any progress against the guerrilla tactics. Didn't work out well because they replaced them quicker than they were killed. Since then they kept that which is strange cause its not really working in guerrilla warfare which most wars are these days

You get to decide. And in a free country you can tell us all about your choice. That's what he was fighting for.

If you prefer the Taliban feel free to tell us about it.

 

[sigurros81]

Why should people be required to give respect to those who voluntarily did things they found reprehensible? That's ridiculous.

I don't really have feelings about this guy either way, but America's military fetishism has really gotten old/creepy to me.

You've lost touch with the the rest of the world. Spoken like a true sociopath.

 

[fskimospy]

You've lost touch with the the rest of the world. Spoken like a true sociopath.

Nice counterpoint. Lol.

Keep up the creepy military love if it makes you feel better. As a rational adult I will defend people's right to say bad things about people who they think have done bad things in life.

 

[sourn]

You don't have to show respect for the guy, but there is no point in showing hate towards him either. He was doing a job that he was ordered to do. If you want to hate, hate the people that gave him targets.

But then again most of you are just a bunch of bitches living in your mom's basement and wouldn't dare to spew the shit in front of these guys that you do here. But hey being a troll is the cool thing to do on the internet these days. Fucking worthless ass sheep.

 

[sigurros81]

You don't have to show respect for the guy, but there is no point in showing hate towards him either. He was doing a job that he was ordered to do. If you want to hate, hate the people that gave him targets.

But then again most of you are just a bunch of bitches living in your mom's basement and wouldn't dare to spew the shit in front of these guys that you do here. But hey being a troll is the cool thing to do on the internet these days. Fucking worthless ass sheep.

:thumbsup:

 

[xj0hnx]

You don't have to show respect for the guy, but there is no point in showing hate towards him either. He was doing a job that he was ordered to do. If you want to hate, hate the people that gave him targets.

But then again most of you are just a bunch of bitches living in your mom's basement and wouldn't dare to spew the shit in front of these guys that you do here. But hey being a troll is the cool thing to do on the internet these days. Fucking worthless ass sheep.

Exactly. No one is saying you should praise him if you don't want to, but there is no need to show contempt, and hate towards him.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't have to show respect for the guy, but there is no point in showing hate towards him either. He was doing a job that he was ordered to do. If you want to hate, hate the people that gave him targets.

But then again most of you are just a bunch of bitches living in your mom's basement and wouldn't dare to spew the shit in front of these guys that you do here. But hey being a troll is the cool thing to do on the internet these days. Fucking worthless ass sheep.

He was doing a job he volunteered for and then volunteered for again. The idea that he was a victim of orders from on high is absurd.

I spent seven years in the military, and i participated in OIF. None of it stationed from my mom's basement, I might add. How long have you served?

 

[xj0hnx]

He was doing a job he volunteered for and then volunteered for again. The idea that he was a victim of orders from on high is absurd.

I spent seven years in the military, and i participated in OIF. None of it stationed from my mom's basement, I might add. How long have you served?

No one said he was a "victim" in anything other than the shooting. How many times he re-enlisted doesn't mean anything when it comes to his targets. Soldiers don't just pick and choose target on a whim, they are given targets. Your post is pointless, and has nothing to do with what you quoted.

 

[fskimospy]

No one said he was a "victim" in anything other than the shooting. How many times he re-enlisted doesn't mean anything when it comes to his targets. Soldiers don't just pick and choose target on a whim, they are given targets. Your post is pointless, and has nothing to do with what you quoted.

Uhmm, yes it does. If he had a problem with shooting people in that conflict he could have chosen not to re-enlist. Clearly he didn't have a problem with it. I personally don't care about his body count, but to say that he was forced into it by orders is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[CitizenKain]

But then again most of you are just a bunch of bitches living in your mom's basement and wouldn't dare to spew the shit in front of these guys that you do here. But hey being a troll is the cool thing to do on the internet these days. Fucking worthless ass sheep.

Spoken like a true bootlicking coward.

 

[Abe Froman]

Uhmm, yes it does. If he had a problem with shooting people in that conflict he could have chosen not to re-enlist. Clearly he didn't have a problem with it. I personally don't care about his body count, but to say that he was forced into it by orders is absolutely ridiculous.

"As US forces surged into Iraq in 2003, Chris Kyle was handed a sniper rifle and told to watch as a marine battalion entered an Iraqi town.

A crowd had come out to greet them. Through the scope he saw a woman, with a child close by, approaching his troops. She had a grenade ready to detonate in her hand.

"This was the first time I was going to have to kill someone. I didn't know whether I was going to be able to do it, man, woman or whatever," he says.

"You're running everything through your mind. This is a woman, first of all. Second of all, am I clear to do this, is this right, is it justified? And after I do this, am I going to be fried back home? Are the lawyers going to come after me saying, 'You killed a woman, you're going to prison'?"

But he didn't have much time to debate these questions.

"She made the decision for me, it was either my fellow Americans die or I take her out."

He pulled the trigger.

"It's killing that is very distant but also very personal - I would even say intimate”

He was doing a job. He was good at his job. It's unfortunate that excelling in his job meant ending the lives of other humans, however he prolonged the lives of far more Americans in doing so. Not many people can say that they single-handedly helped to shape world events.

 

[klinc]

You get to decide. And in a free country you can tell us all about your choice. That's what he was fighting for.

If you prefer the Taliban feel free to tell us about it.

sure but traveling thousands of miles to kill someone else in his own country people don't see that as free. That's murder. You will never stop people doing crazy things by invading countries or removing their leaders. All it takes is a couple of people slipping by short comings in your security. You also can not free anyone when their religion is taking freedom and liberties away.

 

[fskimospy]

"As US forces surged into Iraq in 2003, Chris Kyle was handed a sniper rifle and told to watch as a marine battalion entered an Iraqi town.

A crowd had come out to greet them. Through the scope he saw a woman, with a child close by, approaching his troops. She had a grenade ready to detonate in her hand.

"This was the first time I was going to have to kill someone. I didn't know whether I was going to be able to do it, man, woman or whatever," he says.

"You're running everything through your mind. This is a woman, first of all. Second of all, am I clear to do this, is this right, is it justified? And after I do this, am I going to be fried back home? Are the lawyers going to come after me saying, 'You killed a woman, you're going to prison'?"

But he didn't have much time to debate these questions.

"She made the decision for me, it was either my fellow Americans die or I take her out."

He pulled the trigger.

"It's killing that is very distant but also very personal - I would even say intimate”

He was doing a job. He was good at his job. It's unfortunate that excelling in his job meant ending the lives of other humans, however he prolonged the lives of far more Americans in doing so. Not many people can say that they single-handedly helped to shape world events.

Sure. A job he volunteered for several times. I'm not making a judgment call on his work, I'm talking about those who say you aren't allowed to criticize him.

 

[xj0hnx]

Uhmm, yes it does. If he had a problem with shooting people in that conflict he could have chosen not to re-enlist. Clearly he didn't have a problem with it. I personally don't care about his body count, but to say that he was forced into it by orders is absolutely ridiculous.

Sure. A job he volunteered for several times. I'm not making a judgment call on his work, I'm talking about those who say you aren't allowed to criticize him.

This people aren't "criticizing" him, they are outright celebrating his murder. Him volunteering doesn't have any bearing on shit.

 

[xj0hnx]

Spoken like a true bootlicking coward.

Spoken like a true piece of shit progressive troll.

 

[fskimospy]

This people aren't "criticizing" him, they are outright celebrating his murder. Him volunteering doesn't have any bearing on shit.

Of course it has bearing. When you volunteer for a job knowing full well the likely outcome you are complicit in that outcome. End of story.

 

[xj0hnx]

Of course it has bearing. When you volunteer for a job knowing full well the likely outcome you are complicit in that outcome. End of story.

Like I said, criticizing is one thing, gleefully taking joy in his murder is another. Of course no length you wouldn't go to to cover and deflect for your political allies I guess.

 

[fskimospy]

Like I said, criticizing is one thing, gleefully taking joy in his murder is another. Of course no length you wouldn't go to to cover and deflect for your political allies I guess.

Oh good, I'm glad we have circled back to accusations of partisanship whenever you run out of real arguments.

You guys get really tiring sometimes.

 

[xj0hnx]

Oh good, I'm glad we have circled back to accusations of partisanship whenever you run out of real arguments.

You guys get really tiring sometimes.

Well, you are defending their "criticism", a.k.a. their rejoicing in glee at his murder.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, you are defending their "criticism", a.k.a. their rejoicing in glee at his murder.

I see no rejoicing in glee, but whatever. How about someone can disagree with you about what is acceptable to say about people without it being part of a political plot to 'defend my allies'.

It is much more that I see no reason to refrain from speaking ill of things you don't support and that I find the worship of the military that we have going on in the US disgusting. I have greatly benefitted from it personally but I have never asked for it and I never wanted it. I wish we would stop.