Australia to ban incandescent bulbs

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What a craptastic idea. Where do knuckleheads come up with these ideas?

I truly hate, I mean HATE politicians.

The U.S. should ban them just to piss Spec off :laugh:

I think his head might explode... he's this out of sorts over Australia doing it

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Aharami

i pointed this out before. but noone paid any attention

I skipped the four pages of liberal vs. conservative mud-slinging.

Typical liberal! :roll:

OMG

*hops onto nakedfrog's lap and curls up into a little ball of fluff*

ZZZzzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzz + the occasional squeak

 

[Minjin]

There's no point in changing out incandescents that are in closets or hallways. These lights (for many people) are on for a short period of time and the frequent on-offs greatly decrease the life of the bulb.

If you want efficient lighting, go with real fluorescent, not compact fluorescent. Then you can choose your color temperature quite easily (I prefer 3200-3500k) and you get a more even, more efficient light. I have T8s in my kitchen and a circuline fixture in my work room. Garage still has T5s that I need to switch over. As for LED's, they're not ready for prime time yet. Give them some time.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Bateluer
While I use and prefer the CFL bulbs myself, its not the government's business what light bulbs I choose to use in my own home. If I'm paying for the incandescent bulbs, and their higher electrical costs, thats my concern.

If you want to help the environment, focus on something that actually matters.

Who needs to worry about something silly like energy conservation? What would those oil sheiks do without billions of dollars from the US they get each year?

Pssss - The electricity coming from your walls and lighting your bulbs is most likely generated by power plants that use coal, natural gas, nuclear, or some other energy source. There are very few power plants in the USA that use oil.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Aharami

i pointed this out before. but noone paid any attention

I skipped the four pages of liberal vs. conservative mud-slinging.

Typical liberal! :roll:

OMG

*hops onto nakedfrog's lap and curls up into a little ball of fluff*

ZZZzzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzz + the occasional squeak

How cute!
... and strangely erotic...

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Bateluer
While I use and prefer the CFL bulbs myself, its not the government's business what light bulbs I choose to use in my own home. If I'm paying for the incandescent bulbs, and their higher electrical costs, thats my concern.

If you want to help the environment, focus on something that actually matters.

Who needs to worry about something silly like energy conservation? What would those oil sheiks do without billions of dollars from the US they get each year?

Pssss - The electricity coming from your walls and lighting your bulbs is most likely generated by power plants that use coal, natural gas, nuclear, or some other energy source. There are very few power plants in the USA that use oil.

Psssss - Do you think that machinery gets lubrication from some guy spitting on the bearings or from oil? I know that high speed turbines/machinery use synthetic oil but there is still plenty of oil used in power generation and the US is a net importer of oil.

Pssss - Do you think the US could reduce/eliminate oil fired plants by energy conservation?

 

[Aquaman]

CFL & LED FTW

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Bateluer
While I use and prefer the CFL bulbs myself, its not the government's business what light bulbs I choose to use in my own home. If I'm paying for the incandescent bulbs, and their higher electrical costs, thats my concern.

If you want to help the environment, focus on something that actually matters.

Who needs to worry about something silly like energy conservation? What would those oil sheiks do without billions of dollars from the US they get each year?

Pssss - The electricity coming from your walls and lighting your bulbs is most likely generated by power plants that use coal, natural gas, nuclear, or some other energy source. There are very few power plants in the USA that use oil.

Psssss - Do you think that machinery gets lubrication from some guy spitting on the bearings or from oil? I know that high speed turbines/machinery use synthetic oil but there is still plenty of oil used in power generation and the US is a net importer of oil.

Pssss - Do you think the US could reduce/eliminate oil fired plants by energy conservation?

The oil lubrication is a side product from the refineries for the oil that is imported mainly for transportation and other oil products. It all comes from the same barrel of crude regardless.

I would hope that the US could reduce/eliminate oil fired plants simply from using better/cleaner/more efficient technology like nuclear, natural gas, wind etc. Our economy and energy needs are growing too much just for conservation alone to solve.

 

[foghorn67]

I see three problems with this law if it makes it's way here.
1)Modeling lights for my strobes don't work well using CFL's.
2)I haven't found one CFL yet that I like with my desk lamp.
3)So if you are banning incandescent, what about the ultra-high watt halogens?
And for love of God, I will personally take up arms if they ban halogens.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Leros

Originally posted by: JMWarren
Governments don't need to ban incandescent bulbs, they need to tax the hell out of them. If there more expensive that CFL's then people will buy CFL's...

Whats more important is driving the prices of CFLs down. Right now I can get a 75w light bulb for $1.00 or less. CFLs are like $5.

Ding Ding Ding!

I'm hoping that Wal-Mart pushing CFLs will greatly bring the price down. Unfortunately, I think I'll have replaced all the bulbs in my house by the time that happens.

but they aren't 5 dollars. more like 2-3 bucks. only 5 if you buy a single pack. at ikea its always been cheap since they've been pushing them for years now. i think a 3 pack of GE 100 watt equivs is about 9? bucks at wally world/target?


ban is bit much, they shoulda just taxed incandescents to match cf pricing, so if you really need it, u can pay out of your nose for it.


places like lowes still push incandescent its sad, look at their displays. compared to ikea who pushed them even 5+ years ago..at low prices too. i remember even back then getting bulbs for 2.5-3 bucks, even the smaller ones with the tiny screw in bases. lowes and home depot are only now starting to stock those smaller bulbs..course charging more too

anyways it doesn't matter if its a huge proportion of our power usage or not, its low hanging fruit. its hard to justify using devices that use 3-4 times as much energy just to save a buck or two initial investment, we aren't talking solar panels or something really expensive after all. i mean where else can you get that kind of improvement in efficiency so cheap? no where. so theres really no point waiting for your old bulbs to burn out before replacing them, just put them in storage where they won't waste anymore power i guess if someones after you u can always use them mission impossible style to line the floor so you can hear someone coming heh.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Amused
It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

Yup.

And these far-left liberals get a strange sense of comfort when the government makes all of their decisions for them.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Aharami

IMO, me not being able to buy incandescent bulbs doesnt really bother me...especially since market will eventually swing towards that anyways. Federal officials keeping people in jail w/o any proof or access to a lawyer or due process bothers me. FBI not requiring a search warrant to search thru my house or not being obligated to inform me of said search bothers me

The more leftists like you support nanny state laws, the government will become more authoritarian. And you'll support it, no doubt.

Eventually your actions will come to bite you, when the FBI knocks on your door to inspect your house for illegal lights. (of course the real reason will be to look for drugs, but they'll use the loopholes that you gave them)

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: paulney
How can you not notice the difference in lighting between an inc. and a CFL light? CFL is much much harsher and turns an evening atmosphere into an office/hospital reception room. There's no way in hell I'll replace my living room/bedroom lights with CFL.

As has been mentioned a few times, different bulbs give off different light. My GF is really picky about it, and she's happy with the ones we have in the living room.

Huge difference in light.. how could anyone not notice? Apparently most of the people posting in this thread believe the light to be the same from incandescent and flourescent bulbs...

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused
It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

Yup.

And these far-left liberals get a strange sense of comfort when the government makes all of their decisions for them.

yea...seatbelts, airbags, safety standards for cars, emissions controls. oh noes! big brother!

ugh..as for left wing being authoritarian.... who's telling people who can and cannot get married? what a woman can or cannot do with her body god is the most authoritarian of all u know, especially fundamentalist conception of god which frankly is more absurd than any left wing nutter ideas.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused
It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

Yup.

And these far-left liberals get a strange sense of comfort when the government makes all of their decisions for them.

yea...seatbelts, airbags, safety standards for cars, emissions controls. oh noes! big brother!

ugh..as for left wing being authoritarian.... who's telling people who can and cannot get married? what a woman can or cannot do with her body god is the most authoritarian of all u know, especially fundamentalist conception of god which frankly is more absurd than any left wing nutter ideas.

That's why I'm not religious. Both the loony left and the religious right are wackos in my opinion. Both have poor ideas.

I am all for personal freedom. I don't subscribe to either a liberal or a religious mindset. I think that seatbelt laws are dumb, since it's not the government's job to protect each and every person from themeself. Let people make their own decisions. I also don't support the current drug laws. I don't need the government telling me what's in my own best interest. As long as I'm not infringing on someone else's freedom then I should be able to do as I please in the privacy of my house.

 

[Leros]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Aharami

i pointed this out before. but noone paid any attention

I skipped the four pages of liberal vs. conservative mud-slinging.

Typical liberal! :roll:

OMG

*hops onto nakedfrog's lap and curls up into a little ball of fluff*

ZZZzzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzz + the occasional squeak

Just for the record, FuzzyBabyBunny is female, right?

 

[jpeyton]

good

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused
It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

Yup.

And these far-left liberals get a strange sense of comfort when the government makes all of their decisions for them.

yea...seatbelts, airbags, safety standards for cars, emissions controls. oh noes! big brother!

ugh..as for left wing being authoritarian.... who's telling people who can and cannot get married? what a woman can or cannot do with her body god is the most authoritarian of all u know, especially fundamentalist conception of god which frankly is more absurd than any left wing nutter ideas.

That's why I'm not religious. Both the loony left and the religious right are wackos in my opinion. Both have poor ideas.

I am all for personal freedom. I don't subscribe to either a liberal or a religious mindset. I think that seatbelt laws are dumb, since it's not the government's job to protect each and every person from themeself. Let people make their own decisions. I also don't support the current drug laws. I don't need the government telling me what's in my own best interest. As long as I'm not infringing on someone else's freedom then I should be able to do as I please in the privacy of my house.

at a certain point it is the governments responsibility, if you read about car safety developments the death rate was rising at an incredible level as america motorized. i'm sure some of that carnage hits the bottom line for the country as a whole losing people and in medical bills for the uninsured. since we dont' let the uninsured die on the curb... it does matter to the government and so should be their business. if we all pay for the consequences its government business. and car companies were also getting the message that safety didn't sell, so the free market didn't work there. they tried to put out seatbelt options, volvo also did their thing, no one bit, so sometimes there needs to be a push. freemarket isn't perfect. safety didn't sell back then the same way efficiency didn't sell during the 90s where we had insane suv sales. somethings dont change


as for in the privacy of your own house, you can make that arguement for buggering someone up the arse, but power usage does affect everyone else.

 

[Minerva]

Yippee! Time to revitalize an old habit.

The CFL's have a nice pop sometimes. Still no 1800W Venture Metal Halide bulb. Those things sound like a bomb when they rupture.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Imp
Seriously, do you trust market forces and capitalism to actually work properly in a timely manner?

seems like wally world is making a big push of these things. aus is taking 3 years to do this. wally world might be faster at it. other retailers will follow suit if wally world is successful.

 

[ultimatebob]

At least Australia's law makes some sense, as opposed to California's law where they want to outright BAN incandescent light bulbs. In order for that to work, you would have the outlaw chandelier light bulbs, appliance light bulbs, non-LED flashlight bulbs, a bunch of automobile light bulbs, and many other kinds of bulbs that don't have an non-incandescent counterpart yet. The legislator who proposed that bill needs a dope slap.

 

[Minerva]

Oh and BTW by the time they finalize a ban on inacan's LED's will take over. They are working on a 500 lumen/watt die now. The best bulbs are LPS and they are 200 lumen/watt when NEW and are puke yellow.

 

[sandorski]

Today Incadescent light bulbs, next week Left Handed people!!

Can't you guys see what is happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[eLiu]

Wow I would hate that. I can't stand flourescent lighting; it makes my eyes hurt after an hour or so.

 

[Gillbot]

I've switched all of mine except the few that are on dimmers and photoeyes, etc.