Australia to ban incandescent bulbs

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What a craptastic idea. Where do knuckleheads come up with these ideas?

I truly hate, I mean HATE politicians.

why do you think its a craptastic idea?

Your kidding right?

You mean, you dont see something even a little bit wrong with the government forcing you to use a certain LIGHT BULB? I mean passing a law that makes it ILLEGAL to use a certain LIGHT BULB.

Your ok with that?!

yea. i should be able to run leaded gasoline as well as a car without a catalytic converter. screw the environment, i want to be able to live the way I want. the world revolves around ME. ME ME ME ME ME.
oh but CFL bulbs will save me money in the long run...so the govt is really trying to help me?! no wai!

no but seriously, i agree with Queasy that marketplace will eventually switch over to CFL bulbs, but that will be slow. In this case, i see nothing wrong with govt trying to expedite the process a bit

Haha, I always love how liberals reach for kneejerk reactions.

So please, put up some facts. Show me that incan's pollute as much as leaded gasoline cars. In fact, why dont you show me how much a regular incan does pollute. I bet taking you car around the block once pollutes more then if you ran every light in your house for a month.

But lets not let facts and reason get in the way of a good emotional kneejerk law!

i guess global warming doenst mean anything to you.

Tell me with a straight face my light bulb selection is contributing to global warming.

Please. Try it.

 

[Specop 007]

Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

 

[Amused]

It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Amused
It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

Not really. They crave guidance and structure which they themselves are unable to provide in their own lives. As such, they look for a figure of authority to provide it for them.
In many cases its the government.

 

[Linux23]

I don't like them. I have two in my room now, and they give off this yellowish glow. And forget me using them in my HT room with a dimmer.

 

[Toonces]

what really surprises me is how quickly people label others as either "conservative" or "liberal" based upon their view of one issue; laws mandating what type of light bulb to use.

It's odd, as a Canadian when someone voices an opinion the immediate reaction isn't to say "Hah! You NDP scallywag!" or "I thought the Bloc was only in Quebec" when defending labour rights or Quebec nationalism.

The vast majority here regard opinions as independently developed from how you vote; and can change from topic to topic. Gun control is favoured in Canada, the Liberal's Gun Registry is not but it does not automatically assume we should write our own version of the Second Amendment into the CCRF. Way off topic, I know; but nevertheless intriguing to me.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's funny to me that a thread about lightbulbs turned into P&N

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Or maybe because you know I'm right.

Banning light bulbs is just retarded. And its a horrid push for the .gov to come inside your home and tell you how to live.

i dont agree with you that CFL lights arent better for the environment than incandescent lights. I kinda agree with you on the govt part. I dont like govt telling me how to live my life, but only when it comes to big things like my civil liberties (such as the patriot act). In this case, it's such a small thing that I dont have a problem with it.

and if you read the article, you'll see that AU govt is banning the sale of incandescent light. Not the use of it. So you wont be thrown in jail or fined for using incandescent lights you currently own

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

isn't that what DST is for?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Or maybe because you know I'm right.

Banning light bulbs is just retarded. And its a horrid push for the .gov to come inside your home and tell you how to live.

i dont agree with you that CFL lights arent better for the environment than incandescent lights. I kinda agree with you on the govt part. I dont like govt telling me how to live my life, but only when it comes to big things like my civil liberties (such as the patriot act). In this case, it's such a small thing that I dont have a problem with it.

and if you read the article, you'll see that AU govt is banning the sale of incandescent light. Not the use of it. So you wont be thrown in jail or fined for using incandescent lights you currently own

Why would you ever defend such authoritarian rules?

Does freedom frighten you? (and no, I do not support much of the patriot act)

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Amused
It is simply astounding how many liberals are, in reality, authoritarian.

Not really. They crave guidance and structure which they themselves are unable to provide in their own lives. As such, they look for a figure of authority to provide it for them.
In many cases its the government.

ooh ooh ooh, i can make generalizations too.
ready? here goes..
It is simply astounding how many conservatives hate the planet that nurtures them.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Or maybe because you know I'm right.

Banning light bulbs is just retarded. And its a horrid push for the .gov to come inside your home and tell you how to live.

i dont agree with you that CFL lights arent better for the environment than incandescent lights. I kinda agree with you on the govt part. I dont like govt telling me how to live my life, but only when it comes to big things like my civil liberties (such as the patriot act). In this case, it's such a small thing that I dont have a problem with it.

and if you read the article, you'll see that AU govt is banning the sale of incandescent light. Not the use of it. So you wont be thrown in jail or fined for using incandescent lights you currently own

Why would you ever defend such authoritarian rules?

Does freedom frighten you? (and no, I do not support much of the patriot act)

you gotta pick and choose your battles. you go after the small insignificant ones, I'll go after the ones that really matter.
IMO, me not being able to buy incandescent bulbs doesnt really bother me...especially since market will eventually swing towards that anyways. Federal officials keeping people in jail w/o any proof or access to a lawyer or due process bothers me. FBI not requiring a search warrant to search thru my house or not being obligated to inform me of said search bothers me

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007
What a craptastic idea. Where do knuckleheads come up with these ideas?

I truly hate, I mean HATE politicians.

why do you think its a craptastic idea?

Your kidding right?

You mean, you dont see something even a little bit wrong with the government forcing you to use a certain LIGHT BULB? I mean passing a law that makes it ILLEGAL to use a certain LIGHT BULB.

Your ok with that?!

yea. i should be able to run leaded gasoline as well as a car without a catalytic converter. screw the environment, i want to be able to live the way I want. the world revolves around ME. ME ME ME ME ME.
oh but CFL bulbs will save me money in the long run...so the govt is really trying to help me?! no wai!

no but seriously, i agree with Queasy that marketplace will eventually switch over to CFL bulbs, but that will be slow. In this case, i see nothing wrong with govt trying to expedite the process a bit

Haha, I always love how liberals reach for kneejerk reactions.

So please, put up some facts. Show me that incan's pollute as much as leaded gasoline cars. In fact, why dont you show me how much a regular incan does pollute. I bet taking you car around the block once pollutes more then if you ran every light in your house for a month.

But lets not let facts and reason get in the way of a good emotional kneejerk law!

i guess global warming doenst mean anything to you.

Tell me with a straight face my light bulb selection is contributing to global warming.

Please. Try it.

sure thats easy. coal is burned to make eletricty, now if you have 5 million 100w incandecent bulbs buring that is a lot of coal just to power lights. now if the light bulbs are replaced that use less wattage for example the 23w CLF that is equal to a 100w bulb that gives off the same amount of light that is a lot of power conversation. replace the 5 million lights with CFL's and thats and a whole lot less coal being burned and whole less C02 being pumped into the world just to power lights.

So tell me, did you thorw a fit when the government banned freon and made all of use another product that is a whole lot less damaging to the environment and did the same thing?

 

[TheGizmo]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It's funny to me that a thread about lightbulbs turned into P&N

only b/c of that Specop guy

 

[OrangeJellyDisk]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

You're totally the reason the rest of the world hates Americans. Never willing to even consider such a small non life modifying change purely because its not part of your own personal agenda.

They are only talking about light bulbs its hardly a huge deal and the fact is regardless of what you selfish moronic comments have been, it will reduce greenhouse by a small amount of the next 10yrs. All and any move that helps reduce the greenhouse build up is a good one especially something so simple as using a diff lightbulb...

 

[mrjminer]

Whoever supports banning lightbulbs, how about responding to this one (from the article):

the vast bulk of Australia's greenhouse gas emissions come from industry, such as coal-fired power stations.

So, presuming that this same principal is applicable to every location where there would be 'industry,' rather, as implied by the article, factories running off fossil fuels--further, anything that runs off fossil fuels--how is banning light bulbs more logical or worthy of time than banning, for example, gasoline and converting to electric cars?

I'd say I'm moderately liberal, but some people just like to ignore logic, which, sadly, is a trait of a majority of the populace.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Or maybe because you know I'm right.

Banning light bulbs is just retarded. And its a horrid push for the .gov to come inside your home and tell you how to live.

i dont agree with you that CFL lights arent better for the environment than incandescent lights. I kinda agree with you on the govt part. I dont like govt telling me how to live my life, but only when it comes to big things like my civil liberties (such as the patriot act). In this case, it's such a small thing that I dont have a problem with it.

and if you read the article, you'll see that AU govt is banning the sale of incandescent light. Not the use of it. So you wont be thrown in jail or fined for using incandescent lights you currently own

Why would you ever defend such authoritarian rules?

Does freedom frighten you? (and no, I do not support much of the patriot act)

you gotta pick and choose your battles. you go after the small insignificant ones, I'll go after the ones that really matter.

When you add up all those "small insignificant ones" you end up losing all your freedoms.

And it's not like you don't care. You have been arguing in favor of such a rule in this thread.

 

[mrjminer]

Originally posted by: Citrix

sure thats easy. coal is burned to make eletricty, now if you have 5 million 100w incandecent bulbs buring that is a lot of coal just to power lights. now if the light bulbs are replaced that use less wattage for example the 23w CLF that is equal to a 100w bulb that gives off the same amount of light that is a lot of power conversation. replace the 5 million lights with CFL's and thats and a whole lot less coal being burned and whole less C02 being pumped into the world just to power lights.

So tell me, did you thorw a fit when the government banned freon and made all of use another product that is a whole lot less damaging to the environment and did the same thing?
[/quote]

Then your argument would be that we need to switch from using coal to produce electricity to get to the root of the problem. Try again.

 

[TheGizmo]

oh and I have tried the GE brand "Soft White 100" which is a 26w CFL supposedly as bright as 100w. I might go as far as to say that it is indeed as bright as the 100w incandescent, but there is something about the light... maybe the color, that I do not like. I find it to be almost a cloudy light. I switched back to incandescent until I can find a more clear/better color CFL. Anyone have any specific makes/models they know come close to matching the clarity and color of a standard incandescent bulb?

 

[cubby1223]

This thread just confirms that while everyone believes energy conservation and global warming needs to be addressed, they only believe in it as long as the burden to change habits falls on someone else.

CF bulbs are fine, but you have to get the right brand. My bedroom has a Philips brand and it's great. The bathroom has GE brand and, well, they just flat out suck.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: OrangeJellyDisk

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Its sad to see so many people support the government nanny state mindset.

Maybe the .gov should also tell you when you can use those lights. You know, a national "bedtime" for everyone.

You're totally the reason the rest of the world hates Americans. Never willing to even consider such a small non life modifying change purely because its not part of your own personal agenda.

They are only talking about light bulbs its hardly a huge deal and the fact is regardless of what you selfish moronic comments have been, it will reduce greenhouse by a small amount of the next 10yrs. All and any move that helps reduce the greenhouse build up is a good one especially something so simple as using a diff lightbulb...

What if my house is filled with specialty and low voltage lighting that cannot possibly be replaced with fluorescent without major remodeling?

Freedom is paramount. Individual freedom is what the US was founded on. You can hate us all you like for that and be happy living like a drone. Most of us in the US choose not to, thank you very much.

 

[Queasy]

LED Light Bulbs

Cost 60x as much
Last 60x as long
Use 1/30th the energy
Over its lifetime, costs 1/10th as much.
Look a little weird
Dimmable

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: TheGizmo
oh and I have tried the GE brand "Soft White 100" which is a 26w CFL supposedly as bright as 100w. I might go as far as to say that it is indeed as bright as the 100w incandescent, but there is something about the light... maybe the color, that I do not like. I find it to be almost a cloudy light. I switched back to incandescent until I can find a more clear/better color CFL. Anyone have any specific makes/models they know come close to matching the clarity and color of a standard incandescent bulb?

I think I got Philips, I can check when I get home.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: mrjminer

Originally posted by: Citrix

sure thats easy. coal is burned to make eletricty, now if you have 5 million 100w incandecent bulbs buring that is a lot of coal just to power lights. now if the light bulbs are replaced that use less wattage for example the 23w CLF that is equal to a 100w bulb that gives off the same amount of light that is a lot of power conversation. replace the 5 million lights with CFL's and thats and a whole lot less coal being burned and whole less C02 being pumped into the world just to power lights.

So tell me, did you thorw a fit when the government banned freon and made all of use another product that is a whole lot less damaging to the environment and did the same thing?

Then your argument would be that we need to switch from using coal to produce electricity to get to the root of the problem. Try again.[/quote]

you try again, that wasnt my arguement at all.

 

[MotionMan]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Queasy
I predict that this move will kill E-Z Bake Oven sales in Australia.

no

Exemptions may apply for special needs such as medical lighting and oven lights.

I don't think toy ovens will apply.

There's always THIS alternative.

MotionMan