August Steam survey

[RussianSensation]

....after all, even the HD 4800 series outsold them, and the GTX 2x0 series was far behind, look at these numbers...

HD4800 (4830, 4850, 4860, 4870, 4890, 4850 x2, 4870 x2) - 10.29% of DX10 market
GTX200 series (GTX260/275/280/285/295) - 9.55% of DX10 desktop

That's FAR outselling to you?

Again, it's illogical to compare 4800 series as a whole which includes low end parts with GTX2xx series, which were only high end. 4800 series also included low end cards such as the 4830, 4850 and 4860. While GTX260 was the lowest card priced much higher than these ATI cards. If anything GTX series did better from those numbers considering GTX260 was at least as expensive as the 4870.

Regardless, you can't use the Steam Survey to extrapolate sales for the whole market of discrete graphics. All it tells you is what graphics cards people who use steam have. What about people who buy graphics cards and don't use Steam? I am guessing majority don't use Steam, especially outside of North America where Internet is more expensive. Those users may just buy the games at retail.

No question that ATI outsold NV in DX11 cards this round, simply because they launched in September of 2009 from bottom to high end. NV only had high end cards > $300 in April of 2010. Not until July of 2010 did GTX460 arrive. NV also just launched 400M series, while ATI had 5xxx mobile for a long time. Performance wise, NV cards were better than ATI though - they just launched late.

Again, much of the success of 5000 is also attributed to first-mover market advantage. Coming from HD4890 myself, I thought 5750, 5770 and 5830 were crappy cards for gamers. Performance was a downgrade or equal with higher prices than 4850 and 4870/4890, respectively.

HD6000 will again continue on that strategic success of launching first. NV's biggest problem this round was being LATE to the market with only high end offerings.

 

[Lonyo]

It's illogical to use Steam as a point of reference for videocard marketshare or sales figures.

Steam has bias, it's inherent.
1) It's biased against lower end cards.
2) It's biased towards whoever is bundling Steam games with their cards. When ATI did Dirt 2, that likely led to more Steam account s with ATI cards, equally games like Mafia 2 and Just Cause 2 which come with NV cards and require Steam will mean NV users are more likely to make Steam accounts (if they don't have them).

Steam represents the people using Steam and reporting their hardware to the survey, nothing more.

 

[evolucion8]

You can't use Steam Survey to extrapolate sales for the whole market of discrete graphics. What about people who buy graphics cards and don't use Steam? I am guessing majority don't use Steam, especially outside of North America where Internet is more expensive. Those users may just buy the games at retail.

Steam is one of the most widely used content distribution software used in the world, and the thread is about it, if you want to argue using other way to calculate market share, make a thread about it.

Again, it's illogical to compare 4800 series as a whole which includes low end parts with GTX2xx series, which were only high end. 4800 series also included low end cards such as the 4830, 4850 and 4860. While GTX260 was the lowest card priced much higher than these ATI cards.

You are right in some stuff, I posted the GTX 200 series including all their G200 derivatives, GTX 260, 275, 280, 285 and 295, so is fair to compare it against the HD 4800 series. Its not AMD fault that nVidia wasn't capable to do a GT200 based low end card

No question that ATI outsold NV in DX11 cards this round, simply because they launched in September of 2009 from bottom to high end. NV only had high end cars > $300 in April of 2010. Not until July of 2010 did GTX460 arrive. NV also just launched 400M series, while ATI had 5xxx mobile for a long time.

The same thing happened with when the HD 2900XT, sometimes I think that they talk secretly to each other to switch roles to avoid an anti trust investigation.

Again, much of the success of 5000 is also attributed to first-mover market advantage. HD6000 will again continue on that strategic success of launching first. NV's biggest problem this round was being LATE to the market with only high end offerings.

And the fact that its high end offerings weren't competitive enough to warrant a great slice of the DX11 pie. I bet that if nVidia launched Fermi at the same time as Evergreen, it would be like HD 4800 series vs GTX 200 series all over again, but the edge would go slightly more to the AMD solution for the fact that its power consumption is far more attractive for the performance that they offers.

 

[Wreckage]

YOU SPECIFY the drop in "marketshare". Now, you are the one who begins by ignoring the rest of the market, you specify DX11. You then compare it to NV Dx11 cards. YOU do this.

Does AMD currently make any non-DX11 cards? If they don't then that is their entire market share. So I was correct in my statements.

I'm not sure why AMD fans are ingnoring the entire video card market and why they are ignoring the sales figures from the first 2 quarters that the 5xxx series was available. Is it just denial or something more?

You are right in some stuff, I posted the GTX 200 series including all their G200 derivatives, GTX 260, 275, 280, 285 and 295, so is fair to compare it against the HD 4800 series.

Considering many 4800 series cards did not compete with the 2xx series, it's still false. You would need to include the 9600 and 9800. But I'm sure you knew that already.

 

[Grooveriding]

It's illogical to use Steam as a point of reference for videocard marketshare or sales figures.

Steam has bias, it's inherent.
1) It's biased against lower end cards.
2) It's biased towards whoever is bundling Steam games with their cards. When ATI did Dirt 2, that likely led to more Steam account s with ATI cards, equally games like Mafia 2 and Just Cause 2 which come with NV cards and require Steam will mean NV users are more likely to make Steam accounts (if they don't have them).

Steam represents the people using Steam and reporting their hardware to the survey, nothing more.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I believe Steam is the biggest digital distributor of online games.

With any sampling for statistical purposes you will never be able to get data from every subject involved, unless your sampling a very finite statistic.

Lots of people use steam. I think while like any statistic it's not infallible or perfect, the steam hardware survey is still currently the best statistic available for what a broad base of computer gamers are using hardware wise.

I can't think of a reason we would see a huge variance from the Steam data amongst pc gamers who are not using steam ?

I also think people running modern gaming hardware pcs are more likely to be using steam, as so many of the latest games mandate its use and Steam has a lot of appeal as a medium to get your games. Their sales are amazing

If anything I'd think Steam would show nvidia cards in a preferential light. Nvidia is under pressure and trying hard to get their cards to sell currently. Near every nvidia card you can buy presently is bundling a game, in some cases 2 or 3 games, all these bundled games activate via a steam account.

 

[Lonyo]

Does AMD currently make any non-DX11 cards? If they don't then that is their entire market share. So I was correct in my statements.

I'm not sure why AMD fans are ingnoring the entire video card market and why they are ignoring the sales figures from the first 2 quarters that the 5xxx series was available. Is it just denial or something more?


Considering many 4800 series cards did not compete with the 2xx series, it's still false. You would need to include the 9600 and 9800. But I'm sure you knew that already.

I've already shown in this thread that there's been a 10 point swing towards ATI in terms of overall market numbers. That's from a thread made in December to this thread now, both of which specified overall market breakdown of NV vs ATI.
If you want to talk about the first two quarters, I guess that's the closest to covered them. Overall ATI has closed by 10% vs NV.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30392161&postcount=12

 

[Janooo]

Does AMD currently make any non-DX11 cards? If they don't then that is their entire market share. So I was correct in my statements.

I'm not sure why AMD fans are ingnoring the entire video card market and why they are ignoring the sales figures from the first 2 quarters that the 5xxx series was available. Is it just denial or something more?



Considering many 4800 series cards did not compete with the 2xx series, it's still false. You would need to include the 9600 and 9800. But I'm sure you knew that already.

Are you talking about time when NV tactically booked majority of TSMC blocking AMD but manufacturing something that they can not sell now?
That's a sound business strategy.

 

[Agnostos Insania]

What I find interesting is how much older hardware is still out there - it really is an eye-opener into what everyone else, and not enthusiasts, is running.

Yep. I think it'll only become more skewed towards the "normal" range as Steam gains more popularity among the non-gamer crowd. For instance, I bought my mom the Bejeweled pack for her laptop and that's about as resource intensive as umm... Bejeweled?

 

[nemesismk2]

I think the estimated US cost (dollars) of the reference gts450 is supposed to be between the price of a 5770 and 5750. Nvidia will also be releasing the gts455 too, which will likely outperform the 5770 and (of course) cost less than the gtx460.

I have not seen any performance results for the GTS 455 yet but it will be interesting to see if it's price is closer to the 5770 or the 5830?

 

[evolucion8]

Does AMD currently make any non-DX11 cards? If they don't then that is their entire market share. So I was correct in my statements.

I'm not sure why AMD fans are ingnoring the entire video card market and why they are ignoring the sales figures from the first 2 quarters that the 5xxx series was available. Is it just denial or something more?

You talk as if people never upgrade and never moves on from their old cards, nVidia had a dominant DX10 marketshare whith the 8800 series, and their low end market is totally gone, who's gonna buy a low end DX10 solution these days? First quarter when the HD 5x00 series was launched, it was a huge success but its market success was limited due to their availability issues. nVidia's marketshare is eroding due to the fact that they don't have new SKU's where most of the money is made, in the midrange and low end market. Talk about present and future, not about past, and the current present states that nVidia lost 10% market share these last two quarters, and the future will increase that further due to S.I., talk about total denial here...

Considering many 4800 series cards did not compete with the 2xx series, it's still false. You would need to include the 9600 and 9800. But I'm sure you knew that already.

9800 isn't even close to reach HD 4x00 marketshare, nevertheless the 9600 series....

 

[golem]

I have not seen any performance results for the GTS 455 yet but it will be interesting to see if it's price is closer to the 5770 or the 5830?

I believe they'll price it pretty much according to performance w/o their usual premium. They might even discount it because they really want marketshare.

Or were you going the other direction and trying to figure out performance by pricing?

 

[Wreckage]

9800 isn't even close to reach HD 4x00 marketshare, nevertheless the 9600 series....

The 9xxx series is significantly ahead of the 4800 series.

 

[evolucion8]

The 9xxx series is significantly ahead of the 4800 series.

Nope.

HD 4800 series - 7.38

9800 series - 5.72%

And if you account the entire HD 4800/HD 4600 vs 9800/9600 series, look at these results;

HD 4800/HD 4600 series - 9.32%

9800/9600 series - 10.14%

Far from significant :awe:

 

[Wreckage]

Nope.

HD 4800 series - 7.38

9800 series - 5.72%

And if you account the entire HD 4800/HD 4600 vs 9800/9600 series, look at these results;

HD 4800/HD 4600 series - 9.32%

9800/9600 series - 10.14%

Far from significant :awe:

9xxx series = 22.75 of the DX10 cards vs only 10.29% for the 4800 series. More than double :thumbsup:

 

[Tempered81]

Actually it's around 82%

Great job buddy, and with 30 something percent of the systems running XP, that makes 112% total!

 

[Schmide]

Nope.

HD 4800 series - 7.38

9800 series - 5.72%

And if you account the entire HD 4800/HD 4600 vs 9800/9600 series, look at these results;

HD 4800/HD 4600 series - 9.32%

9800/9600 series - 10.14%

Far from significant :awe:

You did forget the GTS 150 (g92 oem) which would add 3% to the total. Either way nVidia dominates the OEM/laptop/netbook market which probably make up well over half their market share.

 

[Schmide]

9xxx series = 22.75 of the DX10 cards vs only 10.29% for the 4800 series. More than double :thumbsup:

Actually 26.5% gts 150 = g92

Edit: Considering ATI has basically dropped the 4800/4600 series while nVidia continues to sneak the g92 in somewhere it's obvious why this would be the case.

 

[Acanthus]

The GTX460 is a good seller.

No surprise really considering the 1GB is a good buy for price/perf and the 768MB is pretty cheap with the sales despite being gutted.

I think the HD6000 may hit nvidia hard if they don't have an answer.

 

[bryanW1995]

You did forget the GTS 150 (g92 oem) which would add 3% to the total. Either way nVidia dominates the OEM/laptop/netbook market which probably make up well over half their market share.

nvidia needs to get their money in this market while they can. even with GF and TSMC's terrible on-time record, at some point in the next couple of years we'll see intel and amd completely take over this market. nvidia's only ray of hope in this market is arm or via, neither of which seems likely at all.

 

[biostud]

Actually it's around 82%, but only about 10% are DX11.


DX11 - 10.17%
DX10 - 71.74%

but it needs to be paired with Vista/Win7 before the software can use it.

 

[evolucion8]

9xxx series = 22.75 of the DX10 cards vs only 10.29% for the 4800 series. More than double :thumbsup:

Great job buddy, DX10 is the future with the brand new G92 chip, I hope you could say the same with the DX11 market share :awe:

 

[PingviN]

9xxx series = 22.75 of the DX10 cards vs only 10.29% for the 4800 series. More than double :thumbsup:

Meaning you compare 9800GTX+, 9800GTX, 9800GT, 9600GT, 9500, 9400 9300 and whatever 9xxx derivates I'm forgetting against HD4870x2, HD4870, HD4850 and HD4830?

You see where the the flaw lies?

 

[GaiaHunter]

rant

Oh it is that time of the month again...

/rant

 

[MrK6]

Meaning you compare 9800GTX+, 9800GTX, 9800GT, 9600GT, 9500, 9400 9300 and whatever 9xxx derivates I'm forgetting against HD4870x2, HD4870, HD4850 and HD4830?

You see where the the flaw lies?

I think that's a high-five for AMD - their enthusiast/high-end line alone makes up half of NVIDIA's entire 9xxx generation.