August Steam survey

[railven]

Wow, as per those numbers, for the the installed base of DX11 video cards, ATI has a huge lion's share

ATI - 87.01%
Nvidia - 12.79%

Nvidia hasn't been able to make up much ground since the release of their DX11 part five months ago. They're just nibbling at the ground ATI gained.

With the 6870 and 6850 coming out in the next few months, ATI will probably take even more of the DX11 landscape and then some.

I'm wondering if ATI is EoL'ing the 5K series to allocate more chips for the 6K series. I'd be more willing to believe that ATI gobbles the DX11 market if it has a healthy flow of discounted 5Ks along side brand new 6Ks.

I just picture nVidia hitting dirt cheap prices, or super bundles, more so than now and those in the market for cheap will go green.

Either way, glad to see ATI on top. Haha.

 

[Pantalaimon]

Wow, as per those numbers, for the the installed base of DX11 video cards, ATI has a huge lion's share

ATI - 87.01%
Nvidia - 12.79%

Nvidia hasn't been able to make up much ground since the release of their DX11 part five months ago. They're just nibbling at the ground ATI gained.

With the 6870 and 6850 coming out in the next few months, ATI will probably take even more of the DX11 landscape and then some.

This is the most important point that I take from this survey. It really doesn't help NVIDIA in the long term that they have a large share of older generation cards in the wild, if they can't keep up with the new and future generations. Older generations will begin to be phased out as people upgrade their machines, and NVIDIA doesn't get money from older generations.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Wow, as per those numbers, for the the installed base of DX11 video cards, ATI has a huge lion's share

ATI - 87.01%
Nvidia - 12.79%

Nvidia hasn't been able to make up much ground since the release of their DX11 part five months ago. They're just nibbling at the ground ATI gained.

With the 6870 and 6850 coming out in the next few months, ATI will probably take even more of the DX11 landscape and then some.

Actually its quite impressive since they started from 0%. Anyone expecting high end DX11 parts from nVIDIA to take chunks away at the DX11 market share is being silly. GTX460 on the other hand is a high mid end product. To capture 12.79% just from $200+ cards alone in the space of less than 5months is pretty good (<2 months for the GTX460 part). Not to mention DX11 isn't something you would call mainstream yet.

Until we see the rest of the nVIDIA DX11 parts to arrive so that there is actual DX11 competition for the mid, low end AMD series, e.g GTS455/450 its just too early to say how this will pan out. This will be happening real soon though.

 

[biostud]

also interesting is that only ~62% of the systems are dx10 or dx11 capable

 

[nemesismk2]

I was expecting much from the GTS 450 but going by what has been reported it isn't even at 5770 level and will cost more which doesn't make any sense at all. Nvidia needs the GTS 450 to sell very well to make any impact on AMD and their domination of DX11 Video Cards.

 

[tviceman]

I was expecting much from the GTS 450 but going by what has been reported it isn't even at 5770 level and will cost more which doesn't make any sense at all. Nvidia needs the GTS 450 to sell very well to make any impact on AMD and their domination of DX11 Video Cards.

I think the estimated US cost (dollars) of the reference gts450 is supposed to be between the price of a 5770 and 5750. Nvidia will also be releasing the gts455 too, which will likely outperform the 5770 and (of course) cost less than the gtx460.

 

[tviceman]

With all the promotions Nvidia is running now for game bundles - specifically Just Cause 2, Metro2033, and Mafia II, I bet there will be a nice bump across the board when September's survey is released. Nothing huge, but I'm expecting noticeable trends favoring the current dx11 nvidia cards.

 

[Wreckage]

also interesting is that only ~62&#37; of the systems are dx10 or dx11 capable

Actually it's around 82%, but only about 10% are DX11.


DX11 - 10.17%
DX10 - 71.74%

 

[Grooveriding]

Actually its quite impressive since they started from 0&#37;. Anyone expecting high end DX11 parts from nVIDIA to take chunks away at the DX11 market share is being silly. GTX460 on the other hand is a high mid end product. To capture 12.79% just from $200+ cards alone in the space of less than 5months is pretty good (<2 months for the GTX460 part). Not to mention DX11 isn't something you would call mainstream yet.

Until we see the rest of the nVIDIA DX11 parts to arrive so that there is actual DX11 competition for the mid, low end AMD series, e.g GTS455/450 its just too early to say how this will pan out. This will be happening real soon though.

I have a hard time getting my head around that one, as 62.2% of the DX11 market is made up of ATI's high end DX11 cards, leaving 25% of the DX11 market made up of ATI's mid-range stuff.

Even with nvidia's paltry 12.8% share of the DX11 market, the bulk of it, 8.5% is their high end.

I think they came with too little, too late. They need to move all the 460s they can this month. They may have a very hard time moving them when they are competing against a 6770 that could very well be faster for the same price and have the momentum in the market of being a brand new part.

Their 480/470 sales will likely stagnate even further against faster 6850/6870 cards in the same price bracket. Nevermind the 5870 & 5850 will end up going for a cheap price once October/November rolls around and ATI's next generation cards start rolling out.

ATI coming to market early seems to have almost fully staked out the DX11 video card market. Their next gen coming to table shortly with nothing new on the horizon from nvidia will further entrench their position of being the current dominant provider of video cards in the market.

 

[Wreckage]

I have a hard time getting my head around that one, as 62.2% of the DX11 market is made up of ATI's high end DX11 cards, leaving 25% of the DX11 market made up of ATI's mid-range stuff.

Even with nvidia's paltry 12.8% share of the DX11 market, the bulk of it, 8.5% is their high end.

I think they came with too little, too late. They need to move all the 460s they can this month. They may have a very hard time moving them when they are competing against a 6770 that could very well be faster for the same price and have the momentum in the market of being a brand new part.

Their 480/470 sales will likely stagnate even further against faster 6850/6870 cards in the same price bracket. Nevermind the 5870 & 5850 will end up going for a cheap price once October/November rolls around and ATI's next generation cards start rolling out.

ATI coming to market early seems to have almost fully staked out the DX11 video card market. Their next gen coming to table shortly with nothing new on the horizon from nvidia will further entrench their position of being the current dominant provider of video cards in the market.

Since ATI launched their DX11 cards, they still had less market share for 2 of 3 quarters and pretty much broke even on the third. So NVIDIA has very little ground to make up. It seems the 460 is already doing a great job of this. Also notice how the 57xx and 58xx series are dropping. This shows that NVIDIA is taking away market share from those cards.

 

[Grooveriding]

Since ATI launched their DX11 cards, they still had less market share for 2 of 3 quarters and pretty much broke even on the third. So NVIDIA has very little ground to make up. It seems the 460 is already doing a great job of this. Also notice how the 57xx and 58xx series are dropping. This shows that NVIDIA is taking away market share from those cards.

In the seven months ATI was the only company offering new technology DX11 cards, of course they had 100&#37; of the share of the DX11 market.

Now that nvidia has had almost half the time ATI did, their offerings have expanded upon that market. But still have come up with nothing more than 12% of the market.

Neither company is selling DX9 & DX10 cards in any significant capacity anymore. A video card Joe User has had in his rig for 5 years are no indication of the current market trend.

It's DX11 now and ATI is clearly dominating the market. Unless nvidia catches up in development, ATI is going to continue the current trend of owning a majority share of the latest technology video card market.

6970/6870/6850/6770 roll out in the next couple months, expect the trend to continue.

Nvidia's DX11 market share is going to continue to be paltry as long as they are behind in DX11 development and playing catchup to ATI.

They've basically lost the DX11 market, maybe they'll make a comeback with DX12 and not repeat their mistakes made this round.

They're not going to go far trying to sell refreshes with clock speed bumps as competition against ATI's new 6XXX series.

At current, they don't even have a whisper of anything new, even refreshes. Going on their big push for the 460, looks like nvidia is currently being annexed into being a provider of mid-range video cards in a perpetual state of catch-up.

 

[Outrage]

Since ATI launched their DX11 cards, they still had less market share for 2 of 3 quarters and pretty much broke even on the third. So NVIDIA has very little ground to make up. It seems the 460 is already doing a great job of this. Also notice how the 57xx and 58xx series are dropping. This shows that NVIDIA is taking away market share from those cards.

since math aint your thing, i explain this as easy as i can

i have sold 100 cards and have 100% of the market, you have 0% and have sold 0 cards.

Next month you sell 10 cards, I sell 20 cards. My 100% is gone, even though i have sold more cards than you.... strange aint it ?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

That's what I said in another thread. Nvidia is in big trouble when 6XXX series comes out. I got a bunch of responses about nvidia doing a refresh. I hope the best for both companies as I like price wars, but when 6XXX series comes the 480 will be a high end mid range card.

 

[Wreckage]

In the seven months ATI was the only company offering new technology DX11 cards, of course they had 100% of the share of the DX11 market.

Did they have 100% of the video card market? I could just as easily say that NVIDIA still has 100% of the PhysX market, which means about as much as what you said.

How much of the discrete video card market did ATI have during that time? How much? Look it up. :whiste:

 

[busydude]

Did they have 100&#37; of the video card market? I could just as easily say that NVIDIA still has 100% of the PhysX market, which means about as much as what you said.

No, it does not. DX11 is not the same as PhysX.

AMD had 100% market share of DX11 market, and that is a fact.

 

[Grooveriding]

No, it does not. DX11 is not the same as PhysX.

AMD had 100&#37; market share of DX11 market, and that is a fact.

It's not even worth replying to him, man. I've added him to ignore.

ATI is dominating the DX11 market, hence they have been dominating discrete video card sales for the past year and that is only going to continue as the 6 series rolls out next month.

Good for them, I don't play with stocks, so it has no impact on me. But I can see the writing on the wall.

It would be nice if nvidia could actually come to table with some competition and step up with DX11, we'd all be saving money.

Hopefully 6870 doesn't get crazy with its price. ATI has a track record of not trying to completely rape the consumer on their prices like nvidia does/has to.

I don't think we'll see a 6870 for $550, likely $450. So nvidia only fans may soon be able to get their old tech GTX 480s for $300-$350 when the 6870 forces nvidia to slash prices.

 

[MrK6]

There is so much economic and mathematical fail in this thread, it's staggering. This hardware survey doesn't tell us anything we didn't know - AMD dominates the DX 11 market, the GTX 460 is selling well, and the other GTX 4xx cards are in a firesale. What I find interesting is how much older hardware is still out there - it really is an eye-opener into what everyone else, and not enthusiasts, is running.

 

[golem]

Hopefully 6870 doesn't get crazy with its price. ATI has a track record of not trying to completely rape the consumer on their prices like nvidia does/has to.

I don't think we'll see a 6870 for $550, likely $450. So nvidia only fans may soon be able to get their old tech GTX 480s for $300-$350 when the 6870 forces nvidia to slash prices.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. ATI couldn't charge a lot before because they were usually not the dominate player and couldn't charge a premium. Once they had to chance to charge more (this generation) they did so and continue to do so (1. 5800 MSRP went up after intro 2. 5850 have done in price after gtx460 launch but very slowly)

Same thing AMD did with their cpus back when their dual cores were clearly superior to Intels dual cores. They charged all they could for them.

AMD is a business and base their pricing either to gain marketshare or profits. They have marketshare so now the only other thing is to profits. They could try to do a killing blow to Nvidia, but AMD as a whole doesn't generate enough profits where they could do this w/o compromising their own company. Also with Nvidia gone, that allows Intel to fully concentrate all their resources on AMD.

 

[Grooveriding]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. ATI couldn't charge a lot before because they were usually not the dominate player and couldn't charge a premium. Once they had to chance to charge more (this generation) they did so and continue to do so (1. 5800 MSRP went up after intro 2. 5850 have done in price after gtx460 launch but very slowly)

Same thing AMD did with their cpus back when their dual cores were clearly superior to Intels dual cores. They charged all they could for them.

AMD is a business and base their pricing either to gain marketshare or profits. They have marketshare so now the only other thing is to profits. They could try to do a killing blow to Nvidia, but AMD as a whole doesn't generate enough profits where they could do this w/o compromising their own company. Also with Nvidia gone, that allows Intel to fully concentrate all their resources on AMD.

True enough. I think the 5970 still sells for almost $700 here in Canada, which is just ridiculous.

I just hope for my sake and anyone else who may want a 6870 they are not too expensive

 

[golem]

True enough. I think the 5970 still sells for almost $700 here in Canada, which is just ridiculous.

I just hope for my sake and anyone else who may want a 6870 they are not too expensive

I don't think 6870 will be too expensive. Just won't be cheap.

I may be wrong (just rumors on the 6 series for now, nothing concrete), but it doesn't do anything the 5 series can't do, just does it faster and more efficiently. They can charge a premium for speed but not for features.

 

[Wreckage]

ATI is dominating the DX11 market, hence they have been dominating discrete video card sales for the past year and that is only going to continue as the 6 series rolls out next month.

It's good that you have me on ignore, because I know you can not back that statement up with a link.

http://jonpeddie.com/press-releases...irst-quarter-shipments-of-pc-graphics-increa/

NVIDIA won in the 1q of this year. They also won in the 4q of last year. You are spreading misleading information.

It would be nice if nvidia could actually come to table with some competition and step up with DX11, we'd all be saving money.

It would be nice if ATI could have the fastest chip in a generation, but it's been years.

Hopefully 6870 doesn't get crazy with its price. ATI has a track record of not trying to completely rape the consumer on their prices like nvidia does/has to.

Yeah their track record recently has been to announce a card at one price for reviews and then jack the price up later. Thanks ATI. Oh sorry ATI does not exist anymore. Thanks AMD.

I don't think we'll see a 6870 for $550, likely $450. So nvidia only fans may soon be able to get their old tech GTX 480s for $300-$350 when the 6870 forces nvidia to slash prices.

Old tech? They are the only company with a new architecture to support DX11, this is clear by how much they beat AMD in DX11. Rumor has it that AMD won't catch up till late 2011. Sad. In fact you like their tech so much you support them with your money. They appreciate your business.

 

[Lonyo]

Did they have 100% of the video card market? I could just as easily say that NVIDIA still has 100% of the PhysX market, which means about as much as what you said.

How much of the discrete video card market did ATI have during that time? How much? Look it up. :whiste:

Could you please return to school and take some maths classes.
People have explained clearly multiple times why NV is taking away marketshare.

Whatever your post here is rambling about is meaningless and doesn't relate to your original post anyway.

Lets do some examples, yet again.

1) AMD has 100 card sold, all DX11, representing the entire market. 100%.

2) AMD sells another 20 cards, while NV sells 10 cards in the next time period (say a month). Now AMD has 120/130 cards, or 92% of the market, and NV has 10/130, or ~8% of the market.

3) AMD sells again 20 cards, NV sells again 10 cards.
Now we have AMD at 140/160 and NV at 20/160. This means NV has a 12.5% share of the market, while AMD has an 87.5% share.

Despite AMD outselling NV in consecutive months, at a rate of 2:1 (20 cards to 10 cards), NV has increase its share of the market each month.

If we continue this trend, the next month NV has a 15.7% share.
The next after that, it's 18.18%. Each month, despite AMD outselling NV at a 2:1 ratio, the NV marketshare will continue to increase. This will happen until it evens out at around 67% to 33%
This would happen when enough cards have been sold to make the initial total dominance negligible (your original 100 AMD cards are only a tiny fraction of total sales).


AMD had 100% of the DX11 market before NV launched any DX11 cards.
Fact.
This is where the 100% comes from.
All further numbers are totally invented, and serve only to show that NV will continue to increase their DX11 marketshare until it settles at approximately the ratio of AMD to NV sales of DX11 cards, whatever that ratio is (which is unknown).
The continued increase in NV marketshare indicates nothing about relative sales of the two cards, because we do not know the original lead AMD had over NV when they made up 100% of the market, and we don't know current shipments of each companies' cards.

 

[Wreckage]

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1) AMD has 100 card sold, all DX11, representing the entire market. 100%.

The entire video card market? The entire PhysX market? The entire 3D market? Changing the variables to make something out of nothing eh.

My math is fine. It's people trying to bend the numbers or limit the results that I have a problem with.

 

[Lonyo]

The entire video card market? The entire PhysX market? The entire 3D market? Changing the variables to make something out of nothing eh.

My math is fine. It's people trying to bend the numbers or limit the results that I have a problem with.

Since ATI launched their DX11 cards, they still had less market share for 2 of 3 quarters and pretty much broke even on the third. So NVIDIA has very little ground to make up. It seems the 460 is already doing a great job of this. Also notice how the 57xx and 58xx series are dropping. This shows that NVIDIA is taking away market share from those cards.

You here specify AMD's DX11 cards.
YOU SPECIFY the drop in "marketshare". Now, you are the one who begins by ignoring the rest of the market, you specify DX11. You then compare it to NV Dx11 cards. YOU do this.

You claim that NV is taking away marketshare and because of this, the GTX460 is allowing NV to gain ground on AMD.
YOU equate the changes on the Steam hardware survey to NV catching up on AMD, you seem to be suggesting that NV are outselling AMD (hence the marketshare change).
People are explaining that this change has nothing to do with sales, and everything to do with AMD having the entire DX11 market.

If YOU want people to consider the entire market, then don't use the DX11 statistics form the Steam survey to try and prove your point, because, well, they don't.

 

[evolucion8]

Plus nVidia's DX10 market share is diminishing thanks to buyers that are upgrading from their old 8800 series of cards to AMD cards, after all, even the HD 4800 series outsold them, and the GTX 2x0 series was far behind, look at these numbers...

Total marketshare

HD 4800 series 7.38&#37;
GTX series 6.85%

8800 series market 6.09%
9800 series market 5.72%

HD 5800 series market 3.17%
HD 5700 series market 3.36%

GTX 4x0 series - less than 0.35% , it doesn't even appear on the charts!!

Do you think that people will clinge on their 8800 series forever? DX10 market is shrinking.

In the DX11 marketshare, the GTX 4x0 series is attrocious.

All GTX 4x0 series - 12.79%

HD 5800 series only - 31.15%

That's one hell of a beating, and that's not counting the HD 5700 DX11 market share that's over 33.05%.

You may state that GTX 4 series are stealing marketshare from the HD 5x00 series, but with S.I around the corner, the same bleeding marketshare will go back to AMD's through S.I., impacting further nVidia's DX11 marketshare. DX10 and DX9 market share are quite irrelevant since from now on both will keep shrinking further. And the GTX 4x0 series doesn't have the performance advantage or the great PR marketing boost to justify a sidegrade at best from a nice HD 5850 or HD 5870, or you can claim that the GTX 470 is an upgrade from the HD 5850?