Audiophiles can't tell the difference between Monster Cable and coat hangers.

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: wetech

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
BTW, if you link an article in the future, try to link the first page of the article. I had to go back and look at the article linked again to find the washed out light blue links to the original Face off articles posted in 2003 or there abouts (since Face off 2 was in 2004).

You can't just pull a factor out of thin air, like weight, for trying to compare various types of wire, instead of lengths. I do not buy wire based on weight. You take the same lengths of wire and do a direct comparision of the results. The more they muck up a direct comparison, like rewinding/unwinding/seperating wires the more they mess with the test result outcomes. And then on top of that trying to calculate a stranded wire weight ratio into the formula, the more they mess up the true side by side test results.

The most interesting part of the various faceoffs was the part where they noted the corrosion on some of the wires due to reactions with the jacket and the possible effect on the abilty of the wire to perform properly. I can personally verify this negative effect.

What do you mean "pull a factor out of thin are, like weight"?

They are using the "weight" factor as the sum of all the other factors together to help make a confusing mishmass of figures they use in their graphs.

Speaker Face Off 2 previously conducted by Audioholics provided a lot of meaningful information, but no clear idea of which was best. While we are waiting on Gene to finish his cable analysis in Face Off II, I thought I would assign ranking based on his measurements using my linear interpolation method. So, here before you, I give you my opinion on which of these cable is the best. Granted, my opinion is worth is weight in copper (I would have said gold, but the resistance is too high, definitely not silver as it tarnished too easily). All of those ranking numbers contained in tables 2-5 are put to use right now. But first let us discuss weight factors. I have measured three electrical parameters of each of these cables (Resistance, Inductance, Capacitance), and know from first hand experience how much each cable cost me to make. So now we (in the royal sense) decided which factors are the most important based on an educated estimation their impacts may have on system stability and frequency response variation. Under different circumstances, each parameter measured may rise in importance. For very long cable runs all three may be of equal importance, but I think we should just consider normal runs of less then thirty feet (since the longest cable I measured was 26 feet). Based on this, we assigned rankings for each metric with a certain weight function based on perceived importance. Therefore, Resistance is weighted at 41%, Inductance is weighted at 32%, Capacitance is weighted at 27%. These technical factors are weighted at 60% and Cost is weighted at 40%.

I also could not see in any of the Faceoffs where they made any attempt to standardize the various lengths to get a performance per foot average, either. Cost per foot, yes. Specifications per foot, no.

The entire study could have been a lot more straightforward based on length than it was. Since we don't know the lengths of all the cables involved, we can't trust the results, either. The lengths should all be posted along with all the other results in the graphs, and not left to conjecture or having to wade through 3 different faceoffs to figure it out, when it's revealed at all.

 

[Soundmanred]

Originally posted by: Pepsei
well... once a person realized that they got ripped off, they either

1) learn from their mistake and move on
2) defend their choice to the death

You pretty much called this one...

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: Pepsei
well... once a person realized that they got ripped off, they either

1) learn from their mistake and move on
2) defend their choice to the death

You pretty much called this one...

How exactly did I get ripped off?

Here's a clue, I didn't.

Ya, I'll defend my choice over a cheap speaker cable that might turn green instantly in the jacket fresh from the cheapo factory that makes it. Especially when it COSTS THE SAME AS CRAP SPEAKER WIRE.

 

[Jinny]

I use plain jane lamp cord from homedepot, they are no longer cheap unfortunately, like slick said, about 50 cents a foot i think.

Anyhow, my mains are a DIY 2 way bookshelf from John "Zaph" Krutke, a SEA's midbass woofer and dome tweeter. and my sub is a DIY 12" Rythmik servo in a 1.5 cubic foot box. receiver is a panny xr55. nothing fancy and not "audiophile" by my definition. I mainly stream APE's / FLAC's and sometimes crappy mp3s digitally into the panny from my htpc.

Mains are not crossed over and set to large on the panny, i have the 17L box tuned to about 40hz. I am more of a 2 channel stereo fanatic however i do have some crappy speakers for center and surround when I do watch movies.

I'd like to see how it compares to other people's systems.

Back on topic, I am no engineer or scientist, but in my opinion if 2 cables give the same resistance close to spec of the speakers impedance, than it should sound exactly the same, even if you compare a longer thicker cable, versus a shorter one. Also keep in mind, there are dozens of wires in our receivers / amplifiers / pre-amps; none of them use magical diamond/gold/ super duper wire.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Jinny
I use plain jane lamp cord from homedepot, they are no longer cheap unfortunately, like slick said, about 50 cents a foot i think.

Anyhow, my mains are a DIY 2 way bookshelf from John "Zaph" Krutke, a SEA's midbass woofer and dome tweeter. and my sub is a DIY 12" Rythmik servo in a 1.5 cubic foot box. receiver is a panny xr55. nothing fancy and not "audiophile" by my definition. I mainly stream APE's / FLAC's and sometimes crappy mp3s digitally into the panny from my htpc.

Mains are not crossed over and set to large on the panny, i have the 17L box tuned to about 40hz. I am more of a 2 channel stereo fanatic however i do have some crappy speakers for center and surround when I do watch movies.

I'd like to see how it compares to other people's systems.

Back on topic, I am no engineer or scientist, but in my opinion if 2 cables give the same resistance close to spec of the speakers impedance, than it should sound exactly the same, even if you compare a longer thicker cable, versus a shorter one. Also keep in mind, there are dozens of wires in our receivers / amplifiers / pre-amps; none of them use magical diamond/gold/ super duper wire.

Copper price shot through the roof, that probably accounts for the increase in price.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
People were only making spamming comments when you literally cut and pasted the same harmanaudio message for 5+ threads bumping them all to the top.

No, they were somewhat modified. Based on the topic. And they were relavent to the posters topics, at any rate. It wasn't idle thread spam. It was on topic.

But it was mainly the fact that I used the words Harman Kardon and Infinity and not Polk and Onkyo was what riled the mobs.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...113801&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
<snip>

I haven't gone wrong yet by purchasing Harman Kardon products for the last 8 years. I have bought refurb products online, from Ebay at their store and from their online store that were either in perfect refurb condition, or new in the box and sold as refurbs, including Infinity Interlude and Beta speaker systems. All their products bought from them as refurbs have a full manufacturers warranty, too.

Harman Audio Ebay Store

Harman Audio Online Store

They also make JBL products and higher end products, too! If you can afford them.

They do not lie on the actual output of their audio products, too. If they state 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms, they mean it. Their equipment will power lower 4 ohm loads, which many HT receivers will simply burn out trying to power continuously. Something to keep in mind when purchasing speakers, too.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...113584&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
I haven't gone wrong yet by purchasing Harman Kardon products for the last 8 years. I have bought refurb products online, from Ebay at their store and from their online store that were either in perfect refurb condition, or new in the box and sold as refurbs, including Infinity Interlude and Beta speaker systems. All their products bought from them as refurbs have a full manufacturers warranty, too.

Harman Audio Ebay Store

Harman Audio Online Store

They also make JBL products and higher end products, too! If you can afford them.

They do not lie on the actual output of their audio products, too. If they state 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms, they mean it. Their equipment will power lower 4 ohm loads, which many HT receivers will simply burn out trying to power continuously. Something to keep in mind when purchasing speakers, too.

I am fixing to upgrade my main HT receiver again, I just can't decide which one I want yet. But it will be a H/K one!

TO Krotchy with :heart: : This is my first posting of this. No <snip>. Note the addition at the end of it. Not like the other posts at all. Including this little note to you! Cheers! :beer:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...114240&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
<snip>

I haven't gone wrong yet by purchasing Harman Kardon products for the last 8 years. I have bought refurb products online, from Ebay at their store and from their online store that were either in perfect refurb condition, or new in the box and sold as refurbs, including Infinity Interlude and Beta speaker systems. All their products bought from them as refurbs have a full manufacturers warranty, too.

Harman Audio Ebay Store

Harman Audio Online Store

They also make JBL products and higher end products, too! If you can afford them.

They do not lie on the actual output of their audio products, too. If they state 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms, they mean it. Their equipment will power lower 4 ohm loads, which many HT receivers will simply burn out trying to power continuously. Something to keep in mind when purchasing speakers, too.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...113083&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
<snip>

I haven't gone wrong yet by purchasing Harman Kardon products for the last 8 years. I have bought refurb products online, from Ebay at their store and from their online store that were either in perfect refurb condition, or new in the box and sold as refurbs, including Infinity Interlude and Beta speaker systems. All their products bought from them as refurbs have a full manufacturers warranty, too.

Harman Audio Ebay Store

Harman Audio Online Store

They also make JBL products and higher end products, too! If you can afford them.

They do not lie on the actual output of their audio products, too. If they state 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms, they mean it. Their equipment will power lower 4 ohm loads, which many HT receivers will simply burn out trying to power continuously. Something to keep in mind when purchasing speakers, too.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...111385&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
<snip>

I haven't gone wrong yet by purchasing Harman Kardon products for the last 8 years. I have bought refurb products online, from Ebay at their store and from their online store that were either in perfect refurb condition, or new in the box and sold as refurbs, including Infinity Interlude and Beta speaker systems. All their products bought from them as refurbs have a full manufacturers warranty, too.

Harman Audio Ebay Store

Harman Audio Online Store

They also make JBL products and higher end products, too! If you can afford them.

They do not lie on the actual output of their audio products, too. If they state 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms, they mean it. Their equipment will power lower 4 ohm loads, which many HT receivers will simply burn out trying to power continuously. Something to keep in mind when purchasing speakers, too.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...113339&highlight_key=y

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
<snip>

I haven't gone wrong yet by purchasing Harman Kardon products for the last 8 years. I have bought refurb products online, from Ebay at their store and from their online store that were either in perfect refurb condition, or new in the box and sold as refurbs, including Infinity Interlude and Beta speaker systems. All their products bought from them as refurbs have a full manufacturers warranty, too.

Harman Audio Ebay Store

Harman Audio Online Store

They also make JBL products and higher end products, too! If you can afford them.

They do not lie on the actual output of their audio products, too. If they state 100 watts per channel at 8 ohms, they mean it. Their equipment will power lower 4 ohm loads, which many HT receivers will simply burn out trying to power continuously. Something to keep in mind when purchasing speakers, too.

.... yeah, those are waaaay different

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
"Studies" like this make me sad... and the people who call themselves 'audiophiles' and eat this shit up makes me even sadder. Before I go ranting here, I just want to say while I don't consider myself an audiophile I am more picky than most. But I AM a metallurgical engineer and have quite a bit of experience when it comes to metals, alloys, and how they're made and used.

First, while it may be a surprise to some of you that a coat hanger could produce that good of sound, it really shouldn't. A conductive metal will conduct, that's all there is to it. Gold conducts a bit better than copper which conducts better than lots of other metals but the fact of the matter is that many cheap metals will conduct well enough for speaker wire for most to not tell the difference. But that doesn't mean there's no reason to go with the cheap metals every time... you pretty much get what you pay for here. As mentioned before Gold is highly corrosion resistant. Add that with great conductance and you have a perfect metal to use for such applications. Copper and Gold are both also of the "face centered cubic" crystal structure which is known to be of higher ductility than other metals. This means they can be bent, twisted, and formed more easily without worrying about breaking them. Try to bend a coat hanger at the same spot a few times and it'll snap long before copper or gold wire of the same gauge. So with gold and copper you have a material that conducts electricity well, and can be warped without much worry. Can you really ask for a better material for a cable?

So where does your money for monster cables go? Into shielding which is quite important, warranties which many other companies don't offer, and durability. I use monster cables for my guitar setup because I can step all over them, run over them with chairs, etc without having to worry they'll short out. And if they do? It gets sent to monster for a replacement.

Actually you're wrong. Silver is the best followed by copper then gold. It's a common misconception that gold is better than copper in terms of conductivity(both electrical and thermal)

 

[Soundmanred]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: gorcorps
"Studies" like this make me sad... and the people who call themselves 'audiophiles' and eat this shit up makes me even sadder. Before I go ranting here, I just want to say while I don't consider myself an audiophile I am more picky than most. But I AM a metallurgical engineer and have quite a bit of experience when it comes to metals, alloys, and how they're made and used.

First, while it may be a surprise to some of you that a coat hanger could produce that good of sound, it really shouldn't. A conductive metal will conduct, that's all there is to it. Gold conducts a bit better than copper which conducts better than lots of other metals but the fact of the matter is that many cheap metals will conduct well enough for speaker wire for most to not tell the difference. But that doesn't mean there's no reason to go with the cheap metals every time... you pretty much get what you pay for here. As mentioned before Gold is highly corrosion resistant. Add that with great conductance and you have a perfect metal to use for such applications. Copper and Gold are both also of the "face centered cubic" crystal structure which is known to be of higher ductility than other metals. This means they can be bent, twisted, and formed more easily without worrying about breaking them. Try to bend a coat hanger at the same spot a few times and it'll snap long before copper or gold wire of the same gauge. So with gold and copper you have a material that conducts electricity well, and can be warped without much worry. Can you really ask for a better material for a cable?

So where does your money for monster cables go? Into shielding which is quite important, warranties which many other companies don't offer, and durability. I use monster cables for my guitar setup because I can step all over them, run over them with chairs, etc without having to worry they'll short out. And if they do? It gets sent to monster for a replacement.

Actually you're wrong. Silver is the best followed by copper then gold. It's a common misconception that gold is better than copper in terms of conductivity(both electrical and thermal)

You beat me to it! I've heard audiophiles say such things.
They also say one kind of copper is better than another kind of copper too, it all depends how pretty the covering is. I call it the "Cu-Cu" arguement, which fits nicely. (Cuckoo-Cuckoo!)
They need to be sent through a metallurgy class.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Soundmanred

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: gorcorps
"Studies" like this make me sad... and the people who call themselves 'audiophiles' and eat this shit up makes me even sadder. Before I go ranting here, I just want to say while I don't consider myself an audiophile I am more picky than most. But I AM a metallurgical engineer and have quite a bit of experience when it comes to metals, alloys, and how they're made and used.

First, while it may be a surprise to some of you that a coat hanger could produce that good of sound, it really shouldn't. A conductive metal will conduct, that's all there is to it. Gold conducts a bit better than copper which conducts better than lots of other metals but the fact of the matter is that many cheap metals will conduct well enough for speaker wire for most to not tell the difference. But that doesn't mean there's no reason to go with the cheap metals every time... you pretty much get what you pay for here. As mentioned before Gold is highly corrosion resistant. Add that with great conductance and you have a perfect metal to use for such applications. Copper and Gold are both also of the "face centered cubic" crystal structure which is known to be of higher ductility than other metals. This means they can be bent, twisted, and formed more easily without worrying about breaking them. Try to bend a coat hanger at the same spot a few times and it'll snap long before copper or gold wire of the same gauge. So with gold and copper you have a material that conducts electricity well, and can be warped without much worry. Can you really ask for a better material for a cable?

So where does your money for monster cables go? Into shielding which is quite important, warranties which many other companies don't offer, and durability. I use monster cables for my guitar setup because I can step all over them, run over them with chairs, etc without having to worry they'll short out. And if they do? It gets sent to monster for a replacement.

Actually you're wrong. Silver is the best followed by copper then gold. It's a common misconception that gold is better than copper in terms of conductivity(both electrical and thermal)

You beat me to it! I've heard audiophiles say such things.
They also say one kind of copper is better than another kind of copper too, it all depends how pretty the covering is. I call it the "Cu-Cu" arguement, which fits nicely. (Cuckoo-Cuckoo!)
They need to be sent through a metallurgy class.

nope, need a good trout slapping

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
[snip]

.... yeah, those are waaaay different

and the SlinkSnake self ownage continues. You think he's related to Smackdown?

 

[Rubycon]

Silver is not close to the best conductor. If you want the utmost in clarity, soundstage, air around your performers - truly holographic imaging and preservation of timbre to reveal the highest order of detail where the original recording was made I have a deal for you!

Superconductors! Featuring resistance in the single nanoohm per meter. Operation below five degrees Kelvin is required and established with a Linde helium liquifier system and triplex cryostat. Cost is 3.5 million euros. Ancillary hardware and monitoring system extra. But your sound will be a very Nixonesque perfectly clear. :laugh:

 

[mshan]

Outlaw Audio: http://outlawaudio.com/products/cab_about.html

Acoustic Zen: http://www.acousticzen.com/white_paper_1.html

* Shunyata Research *: http://shunyata.com/Content/clientlist.html

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
Silver is not close to the best conductor. If you want the utmost in clarity, soundstage, air around your performers - truly holographic imaging and preservation of timbre to reveal the highest order of detail where the original recording was made I have a deal for you!

Superconductors! Featuring resistance in the single nanoohm per meter. Operation below five degrees Kelvin is required and established with a Linde helium liquifier system and triplex cryostat. Cost is 3.5 million euros. Ancillary hardware and monitoring system extra. But your sound will be a very Nixonesque perfectly clear. :laugh:

Do you also include the nuclear reactor so I can cool the thing down to <5 degree K?

and if I call within the next 10 minutes, do I get the special compilation cassette?

 

[Pacfanweb]

Silver has less resistance, so you can use a smaller diameter silver wire than copper. That's about the only advantage....so if you have a pressing need to use smaller wire, silver is a good option.

 

[Soundmanred]

Originally posted by: mshan
Outlaw Audio: http://outlawaudio.com/products/cab_about.html

Acoustic Zen: http://www.acousticzen.com/white_paper_1.html

* Shunyata Research *: http://shunyata.com/Content/clientlist.html

What was the point of posting those links?
Was it to prove that companies will say anything to get you to believe that their cables somehow transmit electronic signals better?

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
[snip]

.... yeah, those are waaaay different

and the SlinkSnake self ownage continues. You think he's related to Smackdown?

Those were mostly reposted in somewhat sarcastic reponse to the other massive spam reposters who respond to every related audio thread "buy POLK - buy ONKYO". You would think from reading your A/V forum those were the only 2 brands available.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
[snip]

.... yeah, those are waaaay different

and the SlinkSnake self ownage continues. You think he's related to Smackdown?

Those were mostly reposted in somewhat sarcastic reponse to the other massive spam reposters who respond to every related audio thread "buy POLK - buy ONKYO". You would think from reading your A/V forum those were the only 2 brands available.

? I never posted anything relating to Polk or Onkyo.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
[snip]

.... yeah, those are waaaay different

and the SlinkSnake self ownage continues. You think he's related to Smackdown?

Those were mostly reposted in somewhat sarcastic reponse to the other massive spam reposters who respond to every related audio thread "buy POLK - buy ONKYO". You would think from reading your A/V forum those were the only 2 brands available.

? I never posted anything relating to Polk or Onkyo.

Then I suppose your hands are clean, young Jedi. I was obviously not refering to YOU. Does "YOUR A/V FORUM" somehow refer to you? I think not.

But you felt the need to sarcastically respond to myself and YOyoYo though, anyhow. And got quoted on it.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Amazon charges $79.28 for an ultra-high speed 2 meter HDMI Monster cable.This is well below MSRP of $129.95
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...&qid=1204658254&sr=8-1

Monoprice charges $12.52 for a 6 foot HDMI 1.3a cable. You'd have to need to replace the Monoprice cable more than 6 times in order for it to pay for the Monster cable, which wouldn't be necessary to begin with since they have a lifetime warranty too. Anyone paying for Monster cable is paying for a brand name, just like Bose.

BTW, since you were so stuck on this, Amazon has an Monster HDMI cable on sale for $29.99 for a Friday ONLY sale Monster Cable HDMI 400 Cable (2 Meters)

This proves my point about doing a little searching for a quality cable (insert brand here) before running off to buy the cheapest one for an application at Monoprice.

Enjoy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[montypythizzle]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Amazon charges $79.28 for an ultra-high speed 2 meter HDMI Monster cable.This is well below MSRP of $129.95
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...&qid=1204658254&sr=8-1

Monoprice charges $12.52 for a 6 foot HDMI 1.3a cable. You'd have to need to replace the Monoprice cable more than 6 times in order for it to pay for the Monster cable, which wouldn't be necessary to begin with since they have a lifetime warranty too. Anyone paying for Monster cable is paying for a brand name, just like Bose.

BTW, since you were so stuck on this, Amazon has an Monster HDMI cable on sale for $29.99 for a Friday ONLY sale Monster Cable HDMI 400 Cable (2 Meters)

This proves my point about doing a little searching for a quality cable (insert brand here) before running off to buy the cheapest one for an application at Monoprice.

Enjoy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Costs half as less, and you are getting the same signal.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Amazon charges $79.28 for an ultra-high speed 2 meter HDMI Monster cable.This is well below MSRP of $129.95
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...&qid=1204658254&sr=8-1

Monoprice charges $12.52 for a 6 foot HDMI 1.3a cable. You'd have to need to replace the Monoprice cable more than 6 times in order for it to pay for the Monster cable, which wouldn't be necessary to begin with since they have a lifetime warranty too. Anyone paying for Monster cable is paying for a brand name, just like Bose.

BTW, since you were so stuck on this, Amazon has an Monster HDMI cable on sale for $29.99 for a Friday ONLY sale Monster Cable HDMI 400 Cable (2 Meters)

This proves my point about doing a little searching for a quality cable (insert brand here) before running off to buy the cheapest one for an application at Monoprice.

Enjoy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Costs half as less, and you are getting the same signal.

Are you? That pretty and fancy plastic wrapping around the outside don't do jack to sheild the cable from electrical interference. People posted on Amazon the Monster cables cleaned up dirty signals. Unless they just had bad Monoprice or other off brand cables to start with.

 

[mshan]

Next step up from Monoprice would be Blue Jeans Cables: http://www.bluejeanscables.com

 

[montypythizzle]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Amazon charges $79.28 for an ultra-high speed 2 meter HDMI Monster cable.This is well below MSRP of $129.95
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...&qid=1204658254&sr=8-1

Monoprice charges $12.52 for a 6 foot HDMI 1.3a cable. You'd have to need to replace the Monoprice cable more than 6 times in order for it to pay for the Monster cable, which wouldn't be necessary to begin with since they have a lifetime warranty too. Anyone paying for Monster cable is paying for a brand name, just like Bose.

BTW, since you were so stuck on this, Amazon has an Monster HDMI cable on sale for $29.99 for a Friday ONLY sale Monster Cable HDMI 400 Cable (2 Meters)

This proves my point about doing a little searching for a quality cable (insert brand here) before running off to buy the cheapest one for an application at Monoprice.

Enjoy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Costs half as less, and you are getting the same signal.

Are you? That pretty and fancy plastic wrapping around the outside don't do jack to sheild the cable from electrical interference. People posted on Amazon the Monster cables cleaned up dirty signals. Unless they just had bad Monoprice or other off brand cables to start with.

TBH, I would rather get Harmon Audio cables.

I got links to their e-Bay page and home page.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Amazon charges $79.28 for an ultra-high speed 2 meter HDMI Monster cable.This is well below MSRP of $129.95
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...&qid=1204658254&sr=8-1

Monoprice charges $12.52 for a 6 foot HDMI 1.3a cable. You'd have to need to replace the Monoprice cable more than 6 times in order for it to pay for the Monster cable, which wouldn't be necessary to begin with since they have a lifetime warranty too. Anyone paying for Monster cable is paying for a brand name, just like Bose.

BTW, since you were so stuck on this, Amazon has an Monster HDMI cable on sale for $29.99 for a Friday ONLY sale Monster Cable HDMI 400 Cable (2 Meters)

This proves my point about doing a little searching for a quality cable (insert brand here) before running off to buy the cheapest one for an application at Monoprice.

Enjoy! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Costs half as less, and you are getting the same signal.

Are you? That pretty and fancy plastic wrapping around the outside don't do jack to sheild the cable from electrical interference. People posted on Amazon the Monster cables cleaned up dirty signals. Unless they just had bad Monoprice or other off brand cables to start with.

The cable is the same stuff inside of the fancy covering. So unless there's something physically wrong with your current cables, buying another cable of any brand/price isn't going to help anything.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: SlickSnake

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
[snip]

.... yeah, those are waaaay different

and the SlinkSnake self ownage continues. You think he's related to Smackdown?

Those were mostly reposted in somewhat sarcastic reponse to the other massive spam reposters who respond to every related audio thread "buy POLK - buy ONKYO". You would think from reading your A/V forum those were the only 2 brands available.

? I never posted anything relating to Polk or Onkyo.

Then I suppose your hands are clean, young Jedi. I was obviously not refering to YOU. Does "YOUR A/V FORUM" somehow refer to you? I think not.

But you felt the need to sarcastically respond to myself and YOyoYo though, anyhow. And got quoted on it.

since I don't own the forum, I assumed you meant me. Besides, who cares what other people's preferences are, they are just personal taste. You like to invoke HK, yoyo invokes Onkyo. What is the big deal. You dizzing yoyo prompted him to show you do the same thing, how is that not self ownage?