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LOL_Wut_Axel

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Hmm. So I am on microcenter and have the Z77 Pro3 1155 ATX Intel Motherboard added to the cart. On the page it shows up 94.99 but when i go to check out it is showing up as $44.99. Is this the same one as the cpu+mobo combo you posted?

http://www.microcenter.com/product/387627/Z77_Pro3_1155_ATX_Intel_Motherboard

EDIT: nevermind, found out that it is a known deal lol.

Anyways, would one suggest I go with that mobo or an Extreme4. I honestly don't know the difference and I will be using this computer for gaming and video editing if that makes any difference. thanks

The Extreme4. See my previous post:

Given the target of this build is to hit ~$1000 I'd recommend getting an ASRock Z77 Extreme4 instead. Sure, it's $20 more, but for that you're getting a ton more features:

-Better for overclocking: you get an 8+4 power phase design instead of 4+1.
-CrossFire/SLI: You do not get this with the Pro3 as it only has one PCIe 3.0 x16 slot and a PCIe 2.0 x4 slot.
-All the switches: useful for diagnosing your system. The Extreme4 has a Debug LED, a power switch LED, a reset switch LED, and a CLR CMOS LED. The Pro3 has none.
-More SATA ports: Four SATA 3 and four SATA 2, all right-angled. In comparison, the Pro3 has two SATA 3 and four SATA 2, all straight-angled. Straight-angled ports can mean problems with expansion cards as they can block them.
Twice the back panel USB 3.0: four instead of two. Pretty much all external hard drives nowadays are USB 3.0 compatible, and it makes a big difference in speed when copying large files.

For $20 more the Extreme4 is easily a better choice.
Of course, the Extreme4 would be $84.99, meaning $40 over the Pro3, but you're still saving $50 on the motherboard and $40 on the CPU in comparison to buying on Newegg. Since you're saving $90 total I say go ahead and buy the Extreme4 and the 3570K.
 

mfenn

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I'd still leave the HD 7950 instead. Most people here will overclock and at that point they deliver the same performance.

Most people who regularly post here, sure. Most people who are looking for a build guide? I dunno. At any rate, the 7950 3GB and 7850 2GB are in the build as alternatives if you want to hit $800 or $900 instead.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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Most people who regularly post here, sure. Most people who are looking for a build guide? I dunno. At any rate, the 7950 3GB and 7850 2GB are in the build as alternatives if you want to hit $800 or $900 instead.

What I'm trying to say is, if you're gonna overclock, you're better off saving those $100 and putting it towards a better motherboard like the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and a better power supply, like a Corsair TX750 V2 or a Seasonic X650 if you need something highly efficient and fully modular. There are choices...

I just don't think it's right to make a $1000 system that leaves you with little options to upgrade down the road. What if someone wants six months from now to buy another HD 7950, for example? They'd need another motherboard and a new power supply.
 

mfenn

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What I'm trying to say is, if you're gonna overclock, you're better off saving those $100 and putting it towards a better motherboard like the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and a better power supply, like a Corsair TX750 V2 or a Seasonic X650 if you need something highly efficient and fully modular. There are choices...

I just don't think it's right to make a $1000 system that leaves you with little options to upgrade down the road. What if someone wants six months from now to buy another HD 7950, for example? They'd need another motherboard and a new power supply.

What if, what if, what if? Obviously you can construct a "what if" that makes every build look like a bad choice. If I followed every "what if" upgrade scenario to its logical conclusion, I would end up with a $2000 build that didn't offer any greater out-of-the-box performance than the $1000 one I've posted. That build would of course fall victim to "what if I didn't upgrade this machine at all?"

I've said repeatedly that you don't have to get a GTX 670 if you don't want, the 7950 build is a perfectly viable option and a great value at $900. I've featured $1000 in the main list because that's a very common budget.

To your upgrade-ability point, a $900 build with a Z77 Pro3, 7950, and 550W PSU (or a $1000 one with GTX 670) can overclock and upgrade just fine. You're going to have a viable GPU upgrade 18-30 months down the line, which is a more common upgrade schedule IMHO. You can also add more RAM and storage as necessary. The only thing that isn't really upgradeable is the CPU, but an Extreme4 (or any 1155 mobo) is going to leave you in the same boat.

To your specific multi-GPU point, the vast majority of people don't "upgrade to SLI/CFX". Multi-GPU adoption rates hang out at around 2% for Steam users, who are by definition gamers. Who knows how many of those bought multi-GPU right off the bat and how many upgraded to it, but the upgraders are certainly a sub-2% niche.

Plenty of people do get really excited about the possibility of multi-GPU when they're building a PC. Experience tells me that most are satisfied with the performance of a single-high end card once they actually get a machine up and running. I'm posting builds that draw upon my experience to help people avoid common mistakes, not to throw in as many niche features as possible to meet a certain price point.

If somebody spent $1000 on a multi-GPU capable mobo and 750W power supply and subsequently never used them, they would have essentially wasted that extra $100. Based on the statistics above, that's a pretty likely scenario and that $100 could have gone towards a single GPU upgrade down the line.

I guess my super ultimate final point is that this build is meant to be a guide for the most common scenarios and budgets. It's certainly not going to replace build threads where we get insight into what an individual's specific needs are.
 

LOL_Wut_Axel

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What if, what if, what if? Obviously you can construct a "what if" that makes every build look like a bad choice. If I followed every "what if" upgrade scenario to its logical conclusion, I would end up with a $2000 build that didn't offer any greater out-of-the-box performance than the $1000 one I've posted. That build would of course fall victim to "what if I didn't upgrade this machine at all?"

I've said repeatedly that you don't have to get a GTX 670 if you don't want, the 7950 build is a perfectly viable option and a great value at $900. I've featured $1000 in the main list because that's a very common budget.

To your upgrade-ability point, a $900 build with a Z77 Pro3, 7950, and 550W PSU (or a $1000 one with GTX 670) can overclock and upgrade just fine. You're going to have a viable GPU upgrade 18-30 months down the line, which is a more common upgrade schedule IMHO. You can also add more RAM and storage as necessary. The only thing that isn't really upgradeable is the CPU, but an Extreme4 (or any 1155 mobo) is going to leave you in the same boat.

To your specific multi-GPU point, the vast majority of people don't "upgrade to SLI/CFX". Multi-GPU adoption rates hang out at around 2% for Steam users, who are by definition gamers. Who knows how many of those bought multi-GPU right off the bat and how many upgraded to it, but the upgraders are certainly a sub-2% niche.

Plenty of people do get really excited about the possibility of multi-GPU when they're building a PC. Experience tells me that most are satisfied with the performance of a single-high end card once they actually get a machine up and running. I'm posting builds that draw upon my experience to help people avoid common mistakes, not to throw in as many niche features as possible to meet a certain price point.

If somebody spent $1000 on a multi-GPU capable mobo and 750W power supply and subsequently never used them, they would have essentially wasted that extra $100. Based on the statistics above, that's a pretty likely scenario and that $100 could have gone towards a single GPU upgrade down the line.

I guess my super ultimate final point is that this build is meant to be a guide for the most common scenarios and budgets. It's certainly not going to replace build threads where we get insight into what an individual's specific needs are.

Yeah, not everyone does CF/SLI, but the motherboard and power supply selected are rather low-end for a $1000 build. You can get both of those at no cost in performance in comparison to a GTX 670; that's the point. At its price the GTX 670 simply makes no sense. If you're gonna overclock, the HD 7950 gives the same performance and is significantly cheaper.

Want a build with more GPU power? Fine, then an HD 7970 is the same price and at 1100MHz it's the same speed as a 1250MHz-effective GTX 680. Including the GTX 670 makes no sense given current prices.
 

lehtv

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At its price the GTX 670 simply makes no sense.

Except if you're not going to overclock, want to enjoy lower power consumption and/or play NVIDIA-biased titles. Not everyone overclocks. Right?

If you're gonna overclock, the HD 7950 gives the same performance and is significantly cheaper.

Which doesn't mean you should spend more on the motherboard and the PSU just to hit $1000. I'll just leave this here:

mfenn said:
that $100 could have gone towards a single GPU upgrade down the line.
 

mfenn

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New update, mostly just price changes. I did swap the Three Hundred Two out for the Antec Series One which has a lot of features (bottom mounted PSU, included side intake fan, USB 3.0) for a $40 case.
 

mfenn

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New update today. Mostly minor changes, but the Samsung 830 128GB does make its triumphant return. We've also dipped back below the $1000 mark, whatever the perceived significance of that may or may not be.

While searching for power supplies, I found this "green text promotional comment" on the Rosewill HIVE 550W:

"AnandTech: Hive 550W is a decent mainstream PSU"

I think it's pretty awesome (and telling) that Anandtech's "decent" belongs in the same space as other sites' "highly recommended" and "award winner" commendations.
 

Librider

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If i were too purchase all of the items on the mid range build, are there any other wires or connectors I would need? To plug fans in and stuff? The Fans in the antec case are 3 pins or something and I don't know how many fans I can plug into the PSU? Sorry I'm a noob at this
 

lehtv

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All the necessary cords, cables, wires, screws and connectors are included. All you need are tools for installation, peripherals (monitor etc) and a copy of Windows to get it fully up and running.

The fans in the case use standard 3-pin connectors so you plug them into the motherboard, not the PSU. The case has two fans, and the motherboard has two chassis fan headers. If you decided to add more fans to the case, you could connect them to the motherboard by using splitter cables or to the PSU by buying fans that come with 3-pin -> Molex adapters. FWIW, the PSU has a total of six Molex connectors, you will never run out of them.
 
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mfenn

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All the necessary cords, cables, wires, screws and connectors are included. All you need are tools for installation, peripherals (monitor etc) and a copy of Windows to get it fully up and running.

The fans in the case use standard 3-pin connectors so you plug them into the motherboard, not the PSU. The case has two fans, and the motherboard has two chassis fan headers. If you decided to add more fans to the case, you could connect them to the motherboard by using splitter cables or to the PSU by buying fans that come with 3-pin -> Molex adapters. FWIW, the PSU has a total of six Molex connectors, you will never run out of them.

:thumbsup: Thanks lehtv!
 

Librider

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I ordered everything on the mid range build. The Samsung was out of stock so I went with a highly reviewed crucial SSD. I've never built one before so I hope the build goes well. I also purchased an anti static mat and wristband. I will be building the computer on a table, but my apartment is carpet so I hope everything will be alright
 

ToBYourself

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Thank you for your effort on this. I'm just about to pull the trigger on a system...will probably go with exactly what you're suggesting.

You may want to update the first post to fix the date (10/14)
 
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nerdyone

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I'm really torn. Every motherboard I look at has some awful negative reviews. I'm planning on buying a Z77 based board from either AS Rock, Asus, or Gigabyte in the next month. My price range is up to $210. I may OC, but what I really want is stability and easy troubleshooting. Could somebody help?

Thanks in advance!
 

sigmanova

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what's there to be torn about? I bought the ASRock Z77 Pro4 and absolutely love it. cost me only $70 or so with the i5 deal from Microcenter too!

mfenn's mid range build will not lead you astray! my new system (built 3 weeks ago) is based mostly off his suggestions.
 

mfenn

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Thank you for your effort on this. I'm just about to pull the trigger on a system...will probably go with exactly what you're suggesting.

You may want to update the first post to fix the date (10/14)

D'oh! These dates will be the end of me. Fixed. :)

I'm really torn. Every motherboard I look at has some awful negative reviews. I'm planning on buying a Z77 based board from either AS Rock, Asus, or Gigabyte in the next month. My price range is up to $210. I may OC, but what I really want is stability and easy troubleshooting. Could somebody help?

Thanks in advance!

Don't put too much fair in a random Newegg review or two. You can't know what the reviewer's level of knowledge or situation is. Any mobo from one of the big boys (ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte, etc.) is going to be fine. Obviously, the occasional QC miss slips through the cracks, but those are very much the exception rather than the rule.
 

lehtv

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Dollars per gigabyte.7K1000.D is better so if it doesn't cost a lot more, it's preferable to 7K1000.C