Attention Bernie Bros

[NostaSeronx]

Meanwhile after Trump wins 2020.

HoW cOuLd SaNdErs dO tHiS?! WhY diDn'T hE eNdOrSe BiDeN?!?!?!

 

[Homerboy]

I think part of the reason people are upset is that if Biden wins, then presumably he'll be the candidate in 2024, and then (win or lose) we'll most likely get another GOP individual for 4-8 years, so that's a long time before we get to even try to make actual progress. That's a tough pill to swallow for the people that actually need help with all the flaws being highlighted by the current crisis.

He's 77 now. No way is he running in 2024. Even he knows that.

 

[1prophet]

A fully funded and realized social safety net. Basic Income and Federal Housing Loan program. Together, these programs would effectively end the concept of foreclosure or eviction for monetary reasons for the bottom half (likely more) of Americans. No more individual pain or separation of families from economic downturns. Protecting the well being of every American needs to be our #1 priority.

And you are planning on going after Bloomberg inc., Apple, GE, etc. and all the various loopholes they use in the tax code to avoid paying hundreds of billions in taxes in order to pay for it, because you will have a politician in the white house and enough in congress that haven't been bought and paid for so you can get your

A fully funded and realized social safety net. Basic Income and Federal Housing Loan program.

to pass and become law.

Tell you what that definitely isn't happening under Trump and don't expect your great liberal white hope to do any of that, no matter how much you wish it so.

Vowing Not to 'Demonize' the Rich, Biden Tells Billionaires 'Nothing Would Fundamentally Change' If He Was Elected | Common Dreams

It "might be the most honest thing he's said since he defended segregated schools."

www.commondreams.org

Please bring the establishment back in with their hollow promises and lesser of two evils, I'm not as bad as Trump platform, and get ready to lay the groundwork for someone worse than Trump to come in afterwards.

 

[brycejones]

And you are planning on going after Bloomberg inc., Apple, GE, etc. and all the various loopholes they use in the tax code to avoid paying hundreds of billions in taxes in order to pay for it, because you will have a politician in the white house and enough in congress that haven't been bought and paid for so you can get your

A fully funded and realized social safety net. Basic Income and Federal Housing Loan program.

to pass and become law.

Tell you what that definitely isn't happening under Trump and don't expect your great liberal white hope to do any of that, no matter how much you wish it so.

Vowing Not to 'Demonize' the Rich, Biden Tells Billionaires 'Nothing Would Fundamentally Change' If He Was Elected | Common Dreams

It "might be the most honest thing he's said since he defended segregated schools."

www.commondreams.org

Please bring the establishment back in with their hollow promises and lesser of two evils, I'm not as bad as Trump platform, and get ready to lay the groundwork for someone worse than Trump to come in afterwards.

Your solution besides whining about a lack of purity here is?

 

[soundforbjt]

Your solution besides whining about a lack of purity here is?

He never has any solutions...his skill (in his mind) is his ability to point out the obvious.

 

[nakedfrog]

He's 77 now. No way is he running in 2024. Even he knows that.

I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[blankslate]

But hey one accused sexual predator is better than the other accused sexual predator so it's all good...

and please don't trot out the provide a link asshat argument that has been used here by asshat shills before...

if you have been paying attention you know damn well what/who I am referring too.

And when those are our choices it is not an ideal general election no matter how much you want to keep your head warm with sand.

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*edited to correct glaring spelling error

 

[hal2kilo]

But hey one accused sexual predator is better than the other accused sexual predator so it's all good...

and please don't trot out the provide a link asshat argument that has been used here by asshat shills before...

if you have been paying attention you know damn well what/who I am referring too.

And when those are our choices it is not an ideal general election no matter how much you want to keep your head warm with sand.

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*edited to correct glaring spelling error

I see you are spreading like fertilizer.

 

[blankslate]

I see you are spreading like fertilizer.

I see that you haven't addressed the issue....

but hey I didn't really expect you to.


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[Starbuck1975]

This pandemic has illustrated clear as day how morally bankrupt conservatism is. I can't stomach that our president is about to kill hundreds of thousands of us because all he and McConnell and the rest of the GOP give a fuck about is protecting capital.

Current projections are 60k to 80k deaths.

 

[UberNeuman]

Bernie has another message for his followers -

Refusing to vote for Joe Biden is ‘irresponsible’


'In an interview with the Associated Press, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) chastised voters who backed his campaign who are committing not to vote for former Vice President Joe Biden.

“Do we be as active as we can in electing Joe Biden and doing everything we can to move Joe and his campaign in a more progressive direction? Or do we choose to sit it out and allow the most dangerous president in modern American history to get reelected?” said Sanders. “I believe that it’s irresponsible for anybody to say, ‘Well, I disagree with Joe Biden — I disagree with Joe Biden! — and therefore I’m not going to be involved.'”

raw story link.

Guess you better get your foot in the door instead of slamming the door on your foot. Your choice.

 

[Jhhnn]

Current projections are 60k to 80k deaths.

On the basis of full social distancing thru May, which isn't actually happening in a lot of places. Might as well say everybody gets a pony.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

covid19.healthdata.org

Notice the cone of uncertainty in the bottom graph.

 

[Moonbeam]

But hey one accused sexual predator is better than the other accused sexual predator so it's all good...

and please don't trot out the provide a link asshat argument that has been used here by asshat shills before...

if you have been paying attention you know damn well what/who I am referring too.

And when those are our choices it is not an ideal general election no matter how much you want to keep your head warm with sand.

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*edited to correct glaring spelling error

Either Trump or Biden will win. If you wish to both sides the issue and claim we have a choice of sexual predators, that's fine by me because it is perfectly obvious that if both are sexual predators, Trump, for his kind of predation and a whole host of other factors, is the far far worst choice. Therefore, no matter how distasteful you find Biden you are morally obliged to vote for him in order to do all in your moral power to keep the job going to Trump. It's really simple and obvious that your problem is that you don't want to deal rationally with reality. You are talking about placing your own moral purity above the good of the nation. Even if Biden sets us back in evolution he will never set us back as bad as Trump will. You can't punish all the moron democrats that can't see past their noses for fear that socialism will cost Sanders the election just because they are blind programmed machines out of your own moral outrage. It's childish and immature. You need to grow a spine and swallow your bitter pill.

 

[Blackjack200]

Either Trump or Biden will win. If you wish to both sides the issue and claim we have a choice of sexual predators, that's fine by me because it is perfectly obvious that if both are sexual predators, Trump, for his kind of predation and a whole host of other factors, is the far far worst choice. Therefore, no matter how distasteful you find Biden you are morally obliged to vote for him in order to do all in your moral power to keep the job going to Trump. It's really simple and obvious that your problem is that you don't want to deal rationally with reality. You are talking about placing your own moral purity above the good of the nation. Even if Biden sets us back in evolution he will never set us back as bad as Trump will. You can't punish all the moron democrats that can't see past their noses for fear that socialism will cost Sanders the election just because they are blind programmed machines out of your own moral outrage. It's childish and immature. You need to grow a spine and swallow your bitter pill.

The truth is that Trump, for all of his awful comments and crude behavior, is no more corrupt or venal than Biden. In his long senate career and eight years as vice president, Biden has consistently immiserated the American people as he has enriched his donors. There is no moral case to be made for Joe Biden, none at all.

 

[Ajay]

12. I want a single payer health system and I don't care if its fast path or slow path. I want constant movement towards single payer.
- Not interested in explaining the difference in health care systems, what a single payer system is or wasting time reading mindless talking points from the foxnews idiots. It's my answer.

Pretty much agree with you other points. I'd prefer multi-payer like Germany, it's working well in a relatively large country and seems like the best way to get something passed in congress, IMHO, YMMV.

 

[blankslate]

Therefore, no matter how distasteful you find Biden you are morally obliged to vote for him in order to do all in your moral power to keep the job going to Trump.

I am not in a swing state. Electoral politics and the EC indicate that my vote ultimately will be swallowed up in a tidal wave of millions of votes for a particular side.
your admonishment to me is in fact not factual.


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[Jhhnn]

So, uhh, Bernie Bros won't follow Bernie. It gives me pause, causes me to doubt their sincerity. Maybe it's just been a fifth columnist charade all along.

 

[Blackjack200]

So, uhh, Bernie Bros won't follow Bernie. It gives me pause, causes me to doubt their sincerity. Maybe it's just been a fifth columnist charade all along.

Wow, guess we're not Bernie bros after all, are we dumbass?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Current projections are 60k to 80k deaths.

Assuming a lockdown through at least all of May. We're nearly halfway to 60,000 already.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

On the basis of full social distancing thru May, which isn't actually happening in a lot of places. Might as well say everybody gets a pony.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

covid19.healthdata.org

Notice the cone of uncertainty in the bottom graph.

What's infuriating is this time should be used to build up testing capacity so we can begin contact tracing in a month or two and finally open the country back up and hopefully keep it open like South Korea has done. But Trump doesn't believe we need testing. He's just going to open early and let the virus run through the population because his real constituency got their corporate bailout with Mnuchin able to give nine more rounds of it so they're good. Only capital matters in this failed nation.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am not in a swing state. Electoral politics and the EC indicate that my vote ultimately will be swallowed up in a tidal wave of millions of votes for a particular side.
your admonishment to me is in fact not factual.


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The fact that your vote doesn't matter does not relieve you of your moral duty. But I don't expect that you can see rationally past your pique. Also, how you decide to cast your ballot is of no importance to me personally. My duty is to tell you your duty, no more.

 

[Moonbeam]

The truth is that Trump, for all of his awful comments and crude behavior, is no more corrupt or venal than Biden. In his long senate career and eight years as vice president, Biden has consistently immiserated the American people as he has enriched his donors. There is no moral case to be made for Joe Biden, none at all.

Your truth, not mine. That Biden and Trump are morally equivalent strikes me as completely insane. Sorry.

 

[woolfe9998]

On the basis of full social distancing thru May, which isn't actually happening in a lot of places. Might as well say everybody gets a pony.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

covid19.healthdata.org

Notice the cone of uncertainty in the bottom graph.

The cone of uncertainty has an absolute upper limit of 180K deaths. And of course almost nothing ever turns out to be at either extreme prediction.

I got a lot of guff for saying in another thread that I predicted 100-200K deaths, and now that is looking to be on the high side.

 

[Starbuck1975]

On the basis of full social distancing thru May, which isn't actually happening in a lot of places. Might as well say everybody gets a pony.

IHME | COVID-19 Projections

Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

covid19.healthdata.org

Notice the cone of uncertainty in the bottom graph.

There is a lot of uncertainty. As treatments evolve and bed capacity increases, we get closer to the best case scenario.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Assuming a lockdown through at least all of May. We're nearly halfway to 60,000 already.

May seems to be the reasonable lockdown horizon regardless of what Trump thinks, and if state governors in the hardest hit areas continue to push social distancing and masks, the curve will start to flatten.