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shortylickens said:
Thats not entirely true, but the list is bullshit anyway. Ruger makes several 9mm's. Which one are they talking about?
The much of the rest of the list is vague as well, but the S&W's may or may not be cheap. I bet a lot of them are old police models from the 60's and 70's. Maybe we should be asking our nations police forces how they ended up in the hands of criminals.

Also I find it hard to believe 380's are frequently used in crimes. I have a bitch of a time getting 380 ammo unless I buy a thousand rounds from an online store. Is that what criminals are doing, or are they getting the stuff from walmart? Cuz all my local walmarts dont normally keep 380 in stock. I had to beg my nearest one and when they did they stocked really cheap russian Yula ammo. That shit jams every other round. If thats what criminals are using these days then trust me, we have nothing to fear.
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.380s are probably the most common guns used in robberies - ask a cop. A .380 is cheap, light, concealable (small and thin), and has a nice, big, intimidating hole. Hell, a new one isn't much over a C note, and for that price it will make a nice big hole in someone - might not kill them, but it will definitely change their focus. I've known cops with half a dozen or so Davis .380s, although maybe those are just more common in the South. (Yeah, they are supposed to turn them in. Often they take a gun without a valid reason, but from a person who can't sue to get it back because he's a criminal - and because another one will run him less than the lawyer's consultation.) They are dirt cheap and very common, especially in pawn shops and on the street. Criminals using .380s aren't interested in shooting, which is why ammo isn't big in Wally World. Look at pawn shops; if they carry any ammo, they'll probably have .380 'cause their customers use it. But be careful; if you have one of the cheaper brands, they have a bad reputation for exploding somewhere between 300 and 500 rounds.

nobodyknows said:
Ah, maybe you should check out Obama's record on this issue??

http://www.nraila.org/obama/

You seem to me to be slightly confused?
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Though art both accurate and generous. Only slightly confused? 😀
 
hal2kilo said:
Don't let reality get in the way of the gun show sales pitches.
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What reality? The reality of a president that is vehemently anti-gun? Yes, the House will be the bulwark against this legislation, but I would have hated to see what would have happened if the Tuscon shooting took place 6 months ago with (D)'s controlling everything.
 
Just out of curiosity does anyone consider my Remington 750 WoodMaster to be an assault weapon? (Does it meet the criteria?)
It is semi automatic and I have a couple 10 round magazines.
It has a high power scope and is .270 cal.
It is lightweight and accurate out to 400 yards or so.
Here's a pic
rem_mod750_lg.jpg
 
Thanks for the heads up OP... I already have a few assault weapons and a few extra goodies (large capacity mags), but it wouldn't hurt to get a few more.
 
werepossum said:
.380s are probably the most common guns used in robberies - ~and a bunch of other stuff~ 😀
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.380 might be popular in the real world, but we aren't talking about the real world here, we are talking about the dems world of criminality where all the gangsters have full auto MAC 10's and AK47's and they are gunning down school children to clear out their neighborhoods for selling crack. Never mind that there's only one case where an actual assault rifle was used in a crime, or that converting any number of the popular MAC 10's, AK, or Tec 9's to full auto is well beyond some street thugs capacity, they LOOK scary ok? Seriously, you know how hard it is to find a semi auto open bolt (if anyone cares why open bolt matters ...PM) MAC 10? People that got don't sell em, and if they do, they are expensive, and real full autos? LOL, $3000 is the cheapest I have seen one (also don't forget the $200 tax stamp, and actual rigorous background check), most start around $16,000, and go up to the high tens, and low hundreds of thousands since the '86 manufacture ban there is a set inventory available.

Back to the reality, .380, .22, 9mm, .40 all popular, and probably in that order, but not MAC 10's, AK, Tec 9's, why not? They are cheap, easy to get right? Ever been to a gun show? Not too many gangbangers there, and have you ever tried to conceal a MAC 10? They may be small, but they are NOT light, or thin, except the .... .380 version 🙂 Those little FNC's, Davis Arms, or any number of cheap, small, inexpensive .25, .32 .380 auto pistol is much easier to hide, buy, and get rid of than an UZI, but an UZI looks a lot scarier so it buy more political credit, never mind reality.
 
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Skitzer said:
Just out of curiosity does anyone consider my Remington 750 WoodMaster to be an assault weapon? (Does it meet the criteria?)
It is semi automatic and I have a couple 10 round magazines.
It has a high power scope and is .270 cal.
It is lightweight and accurate out to 400 yards or so.
Here's a pic
rem_mod750_lg.jpg
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Nope, its not scary looking. Its not all black, it doesn't have an adjustable stock, no flash hider, and no bayonet lug.

Granted, all of these features do nothing to increase the lethality of a weapon, but to a stupid ignorant gun grabber who doesn't know fuck all about firearms they do.

Your firearm is fine with anti-gun zealots, even though that .270 win round is way the fuck more powerful than any .223 or 7.69x39 that are used by "assault rifles".
 
Skitzer said:
Just out of curiosity does anyone consider my Remington 750 WoodMaster to be an assault weapon? (Does it meet the criteria?)
It is semi automatic and I have a couple 10 round magazines.
It has a high power scope and is .270 cal.
It is lightweight and accurate out to 400 yards or so.
Here's a pic
rem_mod750_lg.jpg
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You forgot the biggest criteria for being an "assault rifle" under liberal think. It needs to be painted black.
 
umbrella39 said:
Bull fucking shit there would be. You do realize that not only conservatives like to hunt and carry guns right? This is just bullshit FUD by an OP that has a clear agenda.
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Yes, but the vast majority I've met are moderate-conservative or conservative. I've met declared Democrats that mildly support or don't care about gun rights, I know one that hunts. I have yet to meet any that carry.

At the very least there probably would be at the state level in some places. Just my prediction. Bottom line is a hyper-sensitive reaction to things like this, even if occasionally misplaced, is justified given the slippery slope associated with guns and gun laws.
 
nick1985 said:
What is bullshit FUD? The quotes from Obama and his press secretary? Please enlighten me on the FUD.
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Please continue with your paranoid rants.

It doesn't matter what Obama said (probably at something he said like at an Urban League conference) or his press secreatary supposedly said/says.

The Demorcratic party leadership is not going to step on this yet another third rail and propose any legislation. Take a Xanax.
 
xj0hnx said:
.380 might be popular in the real world, but we aren't talking about the real world here, we are talking about the dems world of criminality where all the gangsters have full auto MAC 10's and AK47's and they are gunning down school children to clear out their neighborhoods for selling crack. Never mind that there's only one case where an actual assault rifle was used in a crime, or that converting any number of the popular MAC 10's, AK, or Tec 9's to full auto is well beyond some street thugs capacity, they LOOK scary ok? Seriously, you know how hard it is to find a semi auto open bolt (if anyone cares why open bolt matters ...PM) MAC 10? People that got don't sell em, and if they do, they are expensive, and real full autos? LOL, $3000 is the cheapest I have seen one (also don't forget the $200 tax stamp, and actual rigorous background check), most start around $16,000, and go up to the high tens, and low hundreds of thousands since the '86 manufacture ban there is a set inventory available.

Back to the reality, .380, .22, 9mm, .40 all popular, and probably in that order, but not MAC 10's, AK, Tec 9's, why not? They are cheap, easy to get right? Ever been to a gun show? Not too many gangbangers there, and have you ever tried to conceal a MAC 10? They may be small, but they are NOT light, or thin, except the .... .380 version 🙂 Those little FNC's, Davis Arms, or any number of cheap, small, inexpensive .25, .32 .380 auto pistol is much easier to hide, buy, and get rid of than an UZI, but an UZI looks a lot scarier so it buy more political credit, never mind reality.
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Agreed. I've never understood the appeal of a MAC 10 anyway. I worked with a man who bought a fully automatic .45 version, had like a dozen or so extended mags for it. He had over two grand invested in it, and that's been more than twenty years ago. Gotta be the least controllable weapon available, basically a one shot pistol combined with a randomly aimed light AAA weapon! 😀
 
hal2kilo said:
The Demorcratic party leadership is not going to step on this yet another third rail and propose any legislation. Take a Xanax.
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http://mineola.patch.com/articles/mccarthy-to-present-bill-banning-high-capacity-ammo-clips

"McCarthy to Present Bill Banning High Capacity Ammo Clips"

Well they are called magazines, not clips, but she is just an ignorant anti-gun fool that doesn't know what she is talking about.

Anyway, there is legislation being presented. The president is in favor of this legislation. All that is stopping this bill from passing is some seats in the House. Hardly paranoia.
 
spidey07 said:
And it's missing the all important thing that makes is capable of assault and hurting people.

A pistol grip.
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That is true. CBS told me one night the reason pistol grips are bad is because it allows people to shoot from the hip. So glad the media is all over this problem lol
 
nick1985 said:
http://mineola.patch.com/articles/mccarthy-to-present-bill-banning-high-capacity-ammo-clips

"McCarthy to Present Bill Banning High Capacity Ammo Clips"

Well they are called magazines, not clips, but she is just an ignorant anti-gun fool that doesn't know what she is talking about.

Anyway, there is legislation being presented. The president is in favor of this legislation. All that is stopping this bill from passing is some seats in the House. Hardly paranoia.
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You left out the best part.

McCarthy told Patch she hopes the families affected by the Arizona shooting will "feel that something is being done to hopefully prevent it from ever happening to any other family."
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Though McCarthy notes that this new legislation she's introduced would not have prevented an incident like the Arizona shooting or even the shooting on the Long Island Rail Road, it could potentially lessen the number of fatalities and injuries from guns.
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Lol, so she openly admits that this is just her attempt to smuggle in a chunk of the renewed assault weapons ban she proposes every freaking session since it expired, and that her regulations would not have stopped anything. Feel good regulation at its finest.
 
werepossum said:
Agreed. I've never understood the appeal of a MAC 10 anyway. I worked with a man who bought a fully automatic .45 version, had like a dozen or so extended mags for it. He had over two grand invested in it, and that's been more than twenty years ago. Gotta be the least controllable weapon available, basically a one shot pistol combined with a randomly aimed light AAA weapon! 😀
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Yea, they can be a hand full no doubt. There's a small but dedicated sub culture that love the gun, and next to the AR family it has the most customizations available. A large portion of owners have after market uppers that slow the fire rate to 600-900 rpm instead of the original 1,100-1,200, this with a fore grip, and butt stock make them VERY effective out to 50m, even in full auto. The semi auto versions are just ...pistols, people can't seem to grasp that they are functionally the same as a Glock, or any other self loading, blow back operated hand gun, but they sure look mean. Kind of like the difference between the Mini 14/30, and the AR family, one looks scary and black and military, but they are for all intents and purposes functionally identical.
 
nick1985 said:
http://mineola.patch.com/articles/mccarthy-to-present-bill-banning-high-capacity-ammo-clips

"McCarthy to Present Bill Banning High Capacity Ammo Clips"

Well they are called magazines, not clips, but she is just an ignorant anti-gun fool that doesn't know what she is talking about.

Anyway, there is legislation being presented. The president is in favor of this legislation. All that is stopping this bill from passing is some seats in the House. Hardly paranoia.
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Let's hope they ban high capacity clips, that way Garands, and SKS are no longer a threat to society.
 
spidey07 said:
And it's missing the all important thing that makes is capable of assault and hurting people.

A pistol grip.
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Don't forget those deadly barrel shrouds.

Edit: You beat me to it. Remember, it's Republicans who wallow in ignorance while Democrats are the party of intellectualism. Apparently that doesn't extend to understanding the legislation they write however.
 
irishScott said:
Yes, but the vast majority I've met are moderate-conservative or conservative. I've met declared Democrats that mildly support or don't care about gun rights, I know one that hunts. I have yet to meet any that carry.
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I will give you that the majority would be those you described but trust me, there are enough of us that you haven't met that carry and have been hunting since childhood who would be up in arms (no pun intended). Never going to happen.
 
umbrella39 said:
I will give you that the majority would be those you described but trust me, there are enough of us that you haven't met that carry and have been hunting since childhood who would be up in arms (no pun intended). Never going to happen.
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What's "never going to happen"? Another AWB? You mean "never going to happen again"?
 
xj0hnx said:
What's "never going to happen"? Another AWB? You mean "never going to happen again"?
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I mentioned earlier in the thread that IMO without the severe reactions to gun control legislation over the years we'd probably have handgun bans in several states at the very least.
 
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