ATOT: Need job/attitude advice

[IndyColtsFan]

OP, I don't recall if we went over this earlier in the thread or not, so I'll ask it again. Is it possible they're stringing you along so you finish this rollout and then they're going to cut you loose? You need to consider that as well.

 

[rudeguy]

OP, I don't recall if we went over this earlier in the thread or not, so I'll ask it again. Is it possible they're stringing you along so you finish this rollout and then they're going to cut you loose? You need to consider that as well.

nope

The rollout only happened a month ago and its done tomorrow. That was just a small piece of what I do here. That deal is basically done, just waiting for ink to dry.

They just ordered a ton of supplies for the repair stuff I do and another project I'm working on. No fear of me being cut loose unless its because I did something really wrong (or pissed off the CEO/owner).

 

[BoberFett]

Its a small business without an HR department. Everything might not be up to spec but stuff gets done.

How do they not have HR? Do you they also not have an accounting department?

 

[Vdubchaos]

How do they not have HR? Do you they also not have an accounting department?

Sounds like a company that hasn't learned any lessons yet, but soon will.

 

[rudeguy]

How do they not have HR? Do you they also not have an accounting department?

We have finance. They are probably the biggest department outside of sales. I think there are 4 people in finance. OH..we have a CFO too! So that's 5 I guess.

 

[PenguinPower]

How do they not have HR? Do you they also not have an accounting department?

You don't really need an HR person until you get to around 50 employees; department isn't necessary until around 100-150 depending on what sort of ratio you want.

Edit: Just saw it's ~100ee company. Should have at least one HR person on site. Bad practice.

 

[OCGuy]

If you are 1099ing people then you don't need HR because you don't have any employees.

 

[AViking]

I ran across something while doing my own personal business reading. In some places you can deduct the cost of an independent contractor from your taxes.

If you're in one of those places that's a big red flag. Throw you a little cash under the table and exploit you all day long.

 

[OCGuy]

I ran across something while doing my own personal business reading. In some places you can deduct the cost of an independent contractor from your taxes.

If you're in one of those places that's a big red flag. Throw you a little cash under the table and exploit you all day long.

Not just in some places....

The point of issuing a 1099 to someone is to reduce the business income by that much.

 

[BoberFett]

At the very least, a company of that size should be outsourcing their HR functions to employment firms. Unless everybody working there is a "contractor" then presumably they have to do benefits administration.

 

[RagingBITCH]

rudeguy - If they treat you as a temp worker, and you get no benefits/OT, then you put in your 40. The work will still be there tomorrow. Don't work extra because you feel obligated to. Good impression? Sure, but you also show you are a pushover. Believe me, they notice, and will take advantage of it if you offer it up.

Others have said they've shown their true colors, which may be true, but at the end of the day, they are in it to make a $$. The longer they keep you as temp, the better off for them.

If you like where you are at and want to continue, then go talk to the CEO. Put together a presentation of your accomplishments and say you want to be hired and here are the reasons/what you've accomplished there so far.

At the end of the day, if you are as integral as you say you are, then they need you as much as you need them. There's a chance this could backfire, but at the end of the day, respect for yourself > just having a temp job.

Good luck RG.

 

[olds]

How do they not have HR? Do you they also not have an accounting department?

Hell no. They have been giving him cash.

 

[rudeguy]

Hell no. They have been giving him cash.

I never said that. ..

 

[Ns1]

I never said that. ..

hush you, we'll tell you what you said.

 

[rudeguy]

rudeguy - If they treat you as a temp worker, and you get no benefits/OT, then you put in your 40. The work will still be there tomorrow. Don't work extra because you feel obligated to. Good impression? Sure, but you also show you are a pushover. Believe me, they notice, and will take advantage of it if you offer it up.

Others have said they've shown their true colors, which may be true, but at the end of the day, they are in it to make a $$. The longer they keep you as temp, the better off for them.

If you like where you are at and want to continue, then go talk to the CEO. Put together a presentation of your accomplishments and say you want to be hired and here are the reasons/what you've accomplished there so far.

At the end of the day, if you are as integral as you say you are, then they need you as much as you need them. There's a chance this could backfire, but at the end of the day, respect for yourself > just having a temp job.

Good luck RG.

Thanks. And thank everyone for the advice.

I am putting together something for the owner, hope to have it done by morning. It will give me an excuse to meet with him and talk man to man with him. He's an awesome boss but more importantly he is a family man like me. I trust him to take care of me.

To address the concerns that they are planning to get rid of me: the project I'm working on its designing a new workshop for me. I can't think of a reason why he would want me to do that if he was getting rid of me.

 

[highland145]

Well, the sad news is that they have been paying me to track your OT posts.....Rude, can you say, "Oh, crap."?

That's the look on your 1st visit to the basement.


fuuuu...the unseasonably S.C. cold fried my NAS.

And you would like to say what about South Carolinian's?


Paypal works, Rude.

 

[88keys]

OP, I don't recall if we went over this earlier in the thread or not, so I'll ask it again. Is it possible they're stringing you along so you finish this rollout and then they're going to cut you loose? You need to consider that as well.

This.

I personally know people who have gone through this.

I'm late to this thread, and I'll be honest that I never was a temp for any company and I would have to be pretty hard up to even consider going through a temp service considering some of the BS I've seen people go through.

The bottom line here is that it is within their power to hire you if they want to bad enough. If they can't do it within a timely manner, then it's time to look for something else to do. Time as a temp with a company who has no intention of hiring is wasted time that you could be spending somewhere else where your efforts will amount to something. There are lots of companies who go through brief busy periods and hire a bunch of temps and let them think they have a chance at being hired only to kick them to the curb in 8 weeks.


IMO, I think it's best to avoid temp/staffing agencies whenever possible because you have no idea whether you're going to get anywhere or are just wasting your time and energy.

 

[werepossum]

hush you, we'll tell you what you said.

Thanks. And thank everyone for the advice.

I am putting together something for the owner, hope to have it done by morning. It will give me an excuse to meet with him and talk man to man with him. He's an awesome boss but more importantly he is a family man like me. I trust him to take care of me.

To address the concerns that they are planning to get rid of me: the project I'm working on its designing a new workshop for me. I can't think of a reason why he would want me to do that if he was getting rid of me.

I don't what advice I could offer that could not backfire one way or the other, but I hope it works out for you. Sounds like an awesome company, but they are alternating between treating you as an employee or contractor as it best fits them. To some extent that isn't so bad - a healthy company needs to work for its own best interests - but sounds like you are not at all being paid (at least not regularly) as befits an independent contractor. A healthy company also needs to understand that its own best interests include attracting and keeping good employees who are reasonably content to work there. If it's not a two way street, it's not a good fit, period. I can totally understand the CEO being too busy to concentrate on hiring you, but not for this long.

Best of luck dude.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Sounds like you're already on the same page as the owner and that he's been deferring to the CEO. Why can't you get them both into a room at the same time? This is beginning to sound like a bad sitcom.

How does a company that small have both a working owner and a "CEO"? And how is it that in a company with over 100 employees you answer directly to the CEO rather than having a manager who makes the hiring and firing decisions?

 

[OverVolt]

rudeguy - If they treat you as a temp worker, and you get no benefits/OT, then you put in your 40. The work will still be there tomorrow. Don't work extra because you feel obligated to. Good impression? Sure, but you also show you are a pushover. Believe me, they notice, and will take advantage of it if you offer it up.

Others have said they've shown their true colors, which may be true, but at the end of the day, they are in it to make a $$. The longer they keep you as temp, the better off for them.

If you like where you are at and want to continue, then go talk to the CEO. Put together a presentation of your accomplishments and say you want to be hired and here are the reasons/what you've accomplished there so far.

At the end of the day, if you are as integral as you say you are, then they need you as much as you need them. There's a chance this could backfire, but at the end of the day, respect for yourself > just having a temp job.

Good luck RG.

Yea on this same track of thought yes it could backfire but I guess its up to RG to push for being taken on full time. Think more about the reward than the risk. Getting OT would be great, benefits would be great, etc. You more than pull your own weight there so why not?

 

[rudeguy]

Yea on this same track of thought yes it could backfire but I guess its up to RG to push for being taken on full time. Think more about the reward than the risk. Getting OT would be great, benefits would be great, etc. You more than pull your own weight there so why not?

I did have a talk with the owner and he agreed to nudge the CEO but not mention our conversation. He's awesome.

So still no meeting withe the CEO but the CFO just emailed me a new hire packet. That's good. No talk of money is bad.

There is a spot on the first page for what my pay is. It's blank. Maybe that's an offer for me to name my own price?

 

[Ns1]

thanks for not goose-ing us.

 

[rudeguy]

thanks for not goose-ing us.

I'm seriously going to fill in my own pay just for shits and giggles. I get to pick my job title as well.

I'm thinking "senior technician of technology II" with a pay of $2.33/minute.

 

[werepossum]

I'm seriously going to fill in my own pay just for shits and giggles. I get to pick my job title as well.

I'm thinking "senior technician of technology II" with a pay of $2.33/minute.

Overlord of Technology.

 

[rudeguy]

Overlord of Technology.

Mad Scientist!

That's what the CEO calls me now. Might as well make it official.