ATi's CCC: Not the greatest but not that bad either.

[5150Joker]

What Ronin isn't mentioning (or is blatantly lying about) is that he took the screenshot as soon as CCC is loading. Once loaded this is what the memory use looks like: http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/2241/cccopen8vn.jpg

Oh and VM usage is useless to look at since it's HD space. Commit charge = VM (virtual memory aka HD space) + memory usage for all processes. Actual memory use by CCC when open is what I said it was and that's the value that counts. If you want to talk about bloatware, look at firefox's memory usage yet I see it championed by everyone (including me).

 

[M0RPH]

btstackserver.exe is a process that belongs to the Bluetooth Stack COM Server from Widcomm Inc. This process is needed to ensure that the product above is working properly.

btwdins.exe is a part of the Microsoft Windows Operating System which deals with Bluetooth functionality and should not be terminated.

bttray.exen is the trabar process for
Widcomm Inc Bluetooth products. It gives you easy access to the configurations and settings for the bluetooth products.

????????

 

[Ronin]

Jesus, are you stupid? I didn't include those in my calculations. Open up calc and do the math JUST for the ATI stuff (ALL the ATI stuff, not that the non CLI.exe stuff takes up much memory).

And 5150Joker, if you read my last post, I specifically referenced that.

Stop skimming posts and actually read, both of you.

VM usage ABSOLUTELY comes into play. You're still using memory, genius. Stop trying to validate your failed point by trying to deflect information in front of your face with meaningless crap.

WTF does Firefox have to do with this discussion? You've now resorted to even more deflection. Jesus, man, give up when you're wrong.

 

[rise]

i think ati should adopt the thread title as one of their marketing presentation slides. that would sell :

ATi's CCC: Not the greatest but not that bad either.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Jesus, are you stupid? I didn't include those in my calculations. Open up calc and do the math JUST for the ATI stuff (ALL the ATI stuff, not that the non CLI.exe stuff takes up much memory).

And 5150Joker, if you read my last post, I specifically referenced that.

Stop skimming posts and actually read, both of you.

VM usage ABSOLUTELY comes into play. You're still using memory, genius. Stop trying to validate your failed point by trying to deflect information in front of your face with meaningless crap.

WTF does Firefox have to do with this discussion? You've now resorted to even more deflection. Jesus, man, give up when you're wrong.

I read your post and it was pure bullshit. VM is meaningless, it's allocated to the HD. Actual memory usage is what counts and the shot you posted was taken right when CCC was actually loading up. CLI is specifically the CCC application while ATi Hot Key Poller is for OC'ing (disabled by me since I use ATi Tool). But even if you do include the latter + ATi Smart, it adds in a grand total of approximately 4 MB. Firefox was mentioned to make a point: CCC is hardly bloatware when a popular browser uses far more memory. I know you're trying hard to work for your nVidia welfare cards but FUD wont' work here. Oh and did you look at my screenshot? Memory usage is much less compared to the crap you posted.

 

[M0RPH]

What you fail to understand is that .NET apps behave differently from normal ones. VM size and peak usage don't mean a damn thing. If you want to talk about the memory usage, then quote the memory usage numbers. And wat a few seconds after CCC opens to take the screenshot.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
What you fail to understand is that .NET apps behave differently from normal ones. VM size and peak usage don't mean a damn thing. If you want to talk about the memory usage, then quote the memory usage numbers. And wat a few seconds after CCC opens to take the screenshot.

He knows that, but he's the guy that moderates nZone, do you expect him to be partial? I sure don't, it's in his and nVidia's interest to spread lies.

 

[Ronin]

This isn't about impartiality (as you both have clearly shown). I've shown you what is in front of my face, and what you refuse to recognize. Take your precious CCC and enjoy your bloat (obviously, I'm running an ATi based card in a box, now aren't I?). Gee, you seem to have missed that little point, eh?

I'd also suggest watching how you present me, and my affiliations (trust that if ATi had boards, I'd probably be a moderator there as well, but they don't). Libel is a bad idea, Joker. Stay away from it, because you've now gone beyond the scope of acceptable reason and comment.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin
This isn't about impartiality (as you both have clearly shown). I've shown you what is in front of my face, and what you refuse to recognize. Take your precious CCC and enjoy your bloat (obviously, I'm running an ATi based card in a box, now aren't I?). Gee, you seem to have missed that little point, eh?

I'd also suggest watching how you present me, and my affiliations (trust that if ATi had boards, I'd probably be a moderator there as well, but they don't). Libel is a bad idea, Joker. Stay away from it, because you've now gone beyond the scope of acceptable reason and comment.

LOL you going to sue me now for defamation of character on a public forum because you posted FUD and I called you on it? Go right ahead buddy, I'll see you in court. :roll:

 

[M0RPH]

I'm not even gonna argue about this any more because it's silly. Ronin and crew, you can continue to spread your FUD about how CCC is an enormously bloated memory hog to scare people away from buying ATI cards. I will continue to purchase cards based on their performance and features, not on minor nitpick differences in their control panel software.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
I'm not even gonna argue about this any more because it's silly. Ronin and crew, you can continue to spread your FUD about how CCC is an enormously bloated memory hog to scare people away from buying ATI cards. I will continue to purchase cards based on their performance and features, not on minor nitpick differences in their control panel software.

Did you notice he completely ignored the screenshot I posted?

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
LOL you going to sue me now for defamation of character on a public forum because you posted FUD and I called you on it? Go right ahead buddy, I'll see you in court. :roll:

FUD? How is plausible, IN YOUR FACE information FUD? I pity you, I really do. Someday those horseblinders will come off. Until then, you're worthless.

 

[nib95]

Lol, has to be said.

Nvidia fans pick up on the stupidest things to complain about.
Either that or its resorting to things that I personally dont even believe. Cant run 3d Apps anyone?
Here's what I think, I think alot of Nvidia fans out there are burnt up on the fact that they spent $800+ on a top of the line video card only for ATI to release one $200+ cheaper and better performing in what? A month or two? Hell if Id bought one, I'd be just as pissed.
It's understandable

 

[ArchAngel777]

You guys are complaining over not having enough time to format your machine and set it up again? Yet here you are spending so much time bickering over an issue so small, it isn't even funny.

.NET is the future whether we like it or not, several applications will not even run without it. So if you want to stay in the dark ages, be sure to never install it!

Who the heck cares about 17 megs of memory? Or in that case, even 50? So long as the process isn't eating up my CPU cycles, I could care less about it all... Don't like it? Don't use it! Don't like ATI? Don't buy ATI. Don't like nVidia? Don't buy nVidia. I sure they both will put you on their payroll if you keep up the good work... Oh wait, why would they pay you for willingly advertising for them? Uh Duh... Yeah...

Here is a suggestion for everyone. Instead of bragging about who has the fastest video card, why use the darn thing and enjoy it? Why don't you get away from the forums and use the card for what it is intended for -- games! imagine that, who would have believed you actually play computer games with a video card? Oh wait, no, they were designed so that people could waste hours a day argueing about them.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
LOL you going to sue me now for defamation of character on a public forum because you posted FUD and I called you on it? Go right ahead buddy, I'll see you in court. :roll:

FUD? How is plausible, IN YOUR FACE information FUD? I pity you, I really do. Someday those horseblinders will come off. Until then, you're worthless.

Again, did you look at my screenshot above? Simple question. Now explain that.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
You guys are complaining over not having enough time to format your machine and set it up again? Yet here you are spending so much time bickering over an issue so small, it isn't even funny.

.NET is the future whether we like it or not, several applications will not even run without it. So if you want to stay in the dark ages, be sure to never install it!

Who the heck cares about 17 megs of memory? Or in that case, even 50? So long as the process isn't eating up my CPU cycles, I could care less about it all... Don't like it? Don't use it! Don't like ATI? Don't buy ATI. Don't like nVidia? Don't buy nVidia. I sure they both will put you on their payroll if you keep up the good work... Oh wait, why would they pay you for willingly advertising for them? Uh Duh... Yeah...

Here is a suggestion for everyone. Instead of bragging about who has the fastest video card, why use the darn thing and enjoy it? Why don't you get away from the forums and use the card for what it is intended for -- games! imagine that, who would have believed you actually play computer games with a video card? Oh wait, no, they were designed so that people could waste hours a day argueing about them.

LOL you do have a point.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: nib95
Lol, has to be said.

Nvidia fans pick up on the stupidest things to complain about.
Either that or its resorting to things that I personally dont even believe. Cant run 3d Apps anyone?
Here's what I think, I think alot of Nvidia fans out there are burnt up on the fact that they spent $800+ on a top of the line video card only for ATI to release one $200+ cheaper and better performing in what? A month or two? Hell if Id bought one, I'd be just as pissed.
It's understandable

And like your previous posts, you hop in and post things that contribute dick to the conversation (or simply are downright wrong).

How could *I* be pissed about cards that I didn't pay for? Money isn't a factor here, so it's hardly a blinder for me.

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
What Ronin isn't mentioning (or is blatantly lying about) is that he took the screenshot as soon as CCC is loading. Once loaded this is what the memory use looks like: http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/2241/cccopen8vn.jpg

Oh and VM usage is useless to look at since it's HD space. Commit charge = VM (virtual memory aka HD space) + memory usage for all processes. Actual memory use by CCC when open is what I said it was and that's the value that counts. If you want to talk about bloatware, look at firefox's memory usage yet I see it championed by everyone (including me).

Lol, I think you just owned him on that one then if what you say is true.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nib95
Lol, has to be said.

Nvidia fans pick up on the stupidest things to complain about.
Either that or its resorting to things that I personally dont even believe. Cant run 3d Apps anyone?
Here's what I think, I think alot of Nvidia fans out there are burnt up on the fact that they spent $800+ on a top of the line video card only for ATI to release one $200+ cheaper and better performing in what? A month or two? Hell if Id bought one, I'd be just as pissed.
It's understandable

And like your previous posts, you hop in and post things that contribute dick to the conversation (or simply are downright wrong).

How could *I* be pissed about cards that I didn't pay for? Money isn't a factor here, so it's hardly a blinder for me.

You forgot to sign your post as:

-nZone moderator-
"But I'm impartial, I promise!"

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nib95
Lol, has to be said.

Nvidia fans pick up on the stupidest things to complain about.
Either that or its resorting to things that I personally dont even believe. Cant run 3d Apps anyone?
Here's what I think, I think alot of Nvidia fans out there are burnt up on the fact that they spent $800+ on a top of the line video card only for ATI to release one $200+ cheaper and better performing in what? A month or two? Hell if Id bought one, I'd be just as pissed.
It's understandable

And like your previous posts, you hop in and post things that contribute dick to the conversation (or simply are downright wrong).

How could *I* be pissed about cards that I didn't pay for? Money isn't a factor here, so it's hardly a blinder for me.

Lol, am I touching nerves again? Oh sensitive vindictive one?
What are you going to do? Threaten to run me off the boards again :laugh:

Dont get so aggresive in every post. Nor provocate arguments.

Also, just because you have ample money to spend, does not mean that money is never considered wasted. And by the way, I was generalising, and not necessarily refering to you.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nib95
Lol, has to be said.

Nvidia fans pick up on the stupidest things to complain about.
Either that or its resorting to things that I personally dont even believe. Cant run 3d Apps anyone?
Here's what I think, I think alot of Nvidia fans out there are burnt up on the fact that they spent $800+ on a top of the line video card only for ATI to release one $200+ cheaper and better performing in what? A month or two? Hell if Id bought one, I'd be just as pissed.
It's understandable

And like your previous posts, you hop in and post things that contribute dick to the conversation (or simply are downright wrong).

How could *I* be pissed about cards that I didn't pay for? Money isn't a factor here, so it's hardly a blinder for me.

Lol, am I touching nerves again? Oh sensitive vindictive one?
What are you going to do? Threaten to run me off the boards again :laugh:

Just because you have ample money to spend, does not mean that money is never considered wasted. And by the way, I was generalising, and not necessarily refering to you.

He doesn't have ample money to spend. He's on nVidia's welfare list of free cards and other things and evidenced by the shots he posted up to brag about the 6 512 GTX's he received from nVidia.

P.S. In a second he'll threaten to sue you for libel like he did me. That's a sign of him going off the deep end.

 

[Ronin]

:rolleyes;

That's all you've got? You somehow think that because I moderate those forums that it leans me one way or another? Believe what you want. I call a spade a spade. You're simply an ostrich. Enjoy your head in the sand.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Ronin
:rolleyes;

That's all you've got? You somehow think that because I moderate those forums that it leans me one way or another? Believe what you want. I call a spade a spade. You're simply an ostrich. Enjoy your head in the sand.

One last time: How do you explain the screenshot I posted to refute the FUD you put up?

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: nib95
Lol, has to be said.

Nvidia fans pick up on the stupidest things to complain about.
Either that or its resorting to things that I personally dont even believe. Cant run 3d Apps anyone?
Here's what I think, I think alot of Nvidia fans out there are burnt up on the fact that they spent $800+ on a top of the line video card only for ATI to release one $200+ cheaper and better performing in what? A month or two? Hell if Id bought one, I'd be just as pissed.
It's understandable

And like your previous posts, you hop in and post things that contribute dick to the conversation (or simply are downright wrong).

How could *I* be pissed about cards that I didn't pay for? Money isn't a factor here, so it's hardly a blinder for me.

Lol, am I touching nerves again? Oh sensitive vindictive one?
What are you going to do? Threaten to run me off the boards again :laugh:

Just because you have ample money to spend, does not mean that money is never considered wasted. And by the way, I was generalising, and not necessarily refering to you.

He doesn't have ample money to spend. He's on nVidia's welfare list of free cards and other things and evidenced by the shots he posted up to brag about the 6 512 GTX's he received from nVidia.

P.S. In a second he'll threaten to sue you for libel like he did me. That's a sign of him going off the deep end.

Lol, aha! It makes sense now, didnt know all those minor little details, but now indeed, its all much clearer. Impartial my butt cheeks.

You do realise you'll have to try much harder to get his reponse from that screenshot of yours? I dont think he likes to admit defeat.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
He doesn't have ample money to spend. He's on nVidia's welfare list of free cards and other things and evidenced by the shots he posted up to brag about the 6 512 GTX's he received from nVidia.

P.S. In a second he'll threaten to sue you for libel like he did me. That's a sign of him going off the deep end.

Provide the full amount of information, jealous. I get as many 'welfare' cards from ATi as I do nVIDIA.

And, you have no idea what my financial situation is, so please don't presume to comment about it. Your teenage mentality (and your inability to provide intelligent, non-inflammatory responses) are laffable. Go enjoy your bloatware, Joker (you've aptly named yourself, btw).