ATi's CCC: Not the greatest but not that bad either.

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: Tom
Why in the heck is it necessary to have anything like CCC at all ? The vast majority of the time it is doing absolutely nothing.

It takes 17mb of memory to change screen resolutions ?? I remember when whole games came on one floppy and ran in 2 mb or less of memory.

Good games too, like Dungeon Master. How can it take 17 mbs to change screen resolutions ??

Anarchy!! Down with technology!!! We should Only have games that run on memory of 2mb or less :disgust:

Down with drivers, They use our memory which we have an excess of anyway.

THIS THREAD IS TERRIBLE

Yeah we all have 1-2 GB of memory but damn it nothing should use it! We bought this stuff to put in our sigs to show off our e-penis, not really put to use! WTF, how dare ATi create CCC? Those dirty bastards, they're taking away our "right" to use only 3 MB of system memory and no more! 7 secs of load time is a personal affront to our sensibilites and liberties!

Everyone is simply stating that the ATI CCC does in fact suck. It is bloatware. It uses way more than 17MB of system memory. JUST the exe for the CCC alone uses 17MB. It obviously increases VM usage and commit charge. There is nothing wrong with saying it sucks Joker. Here, say it with me. "Teh AtI CcC iz teh suxorz."

These are not curse words. Just a plain old factoid. Zebo, and others reported dramatic memory usage increases. But you still stick to the 17MB story. Why?

Commit charge before loading CCC: 341 MB.
Commit charge after loading CCC: 344 MB.

Conclusion: OH NOES TEH 3 MBs ARE USED! Run for the hills!

I think maybe you should run for the hills. With your pointed tail between your legs. :laugh:

Rollo: if you can ever get that X1800XL to work, let us know the total system memory usage before, and after CCC is loaded, if you would.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
O MY GOD please don't do that again,
i actually fell over

why you ask?

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please rollo, tell us your usage won't you, you are so very unbiased.........

LMAO! Keys is good for a laugh (at him), I'll give him that.

Wow.. I didn't think you were that much of an idiot. LOL...

 

[aggressor]

Eh, it does seem to reserve a lot of VM:
http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled6mg.png

Not that I care anyway, I just hate how long it takes to load (Even 5 seconds is too long for something like a control panel) and how bad the interface is.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker


Don't get into a debate with Keys. He'lll PM you to let you know that he has the upperhand in an argument and that you are a sinch and that he can see through you. Furthermore he'll stalk you afterwards in a vain attempt to prove how "smart" (I use that word loosely) he is.

There might be some people who can beat a 142 I.Q. on these boards Joker, but somehow I don't think you're one of them. I tested two years ago and I don't think I have developed alzheimers since then. Don't really care if you believe it or not.

No doubt Keys, I believe you man. Not only is your IQ 142, you are also part of MENSA.*























*Keys mom told me to encourage her son because he's a bit slow.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: aggressor
Eh, it does seem to reserve a lot of VM:
http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled6mg.png

Not that I care anyway, I just hate how long it takes to load (Even 5 seconds is too long for something like a control panel) and how bad the interface is.

Now HD space is limited too? I didn't know VM was so important these days.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


Wow.. I didn't think you were that much of an idiot. LOL...

Good one tiger!!

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker


Don't get into a debate with Keys. He'lll PM you to let you know that he has the upperhand in an argument and that you are a sinch and that he can see through you. Furthermore he'll stalk you afterwards in a vain attempt to prove how "smart" (I use that word loosely) he is.

There might be some people who can beat a 142 I.Q. on these boards Joker, but somehow I don't think you're one of them. I tested two years ago and I don't think I have developed alzheimers since then. Don't really care if you believe it or not.

Wow, you must think your really special with your 142 IQ.
Well I guess you can always have that too lean back on in a debate.

Way too change the subject to something totally totally different, and that has nothing to do with video cards.

I can see your IQ just bursting from the post.

I'll even take a quote from your post, my CCC usage as of RIGHT NOW is 18mb.

and furthermore I "Don't really care if you believe it or not." quoted from above^^^^

Just let me say, your posts are very funny.

Pull your ego out of your ass, then maybe you can put that MASSIVE IQ to use and put some usefull in this thread.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
:::blabber blabber Snip::341 MB.

I rest my case.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
:::blabber blabber Snip::341 MB.

I rest my case.

Dear Zebo Esquire,

What, that the commit charge changes from 341 MB to 344 MB upon loading CCC? Yes you got me there! You do realize commit charge counts ALL the applications I have active. Just FYI, I've got 30 processes running and that includes a lot of applications.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
:::blabber blabber Snip::341 MB.

I rest my case.

What, that the commit charge changes from 341 MB to 344 MB upon loading CCC? Yes you got me there! You do realize commit charge counts ALL the applications I have active. Just FYI, I've got 30 processes running and that includes a lot of applications.

Yea sure. I thought you said it used 17MB now you're saying 3? Got a SS? and close apps but task manager open performance tab to and display properies > advanced.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
:::blabber blabber Snip::341 MB.

I rest my case.

What, that the commit charge changes from 341 MB to 344 MB upon loading CCC? Yes you got me there! You do realize commit charge counts ALL the applications I have active. Just FYI, I've got 30 processes running and that includes a lot of applications.

Yea sure. I thought you said it used 17MB now you're saying 3? Got a SS? and close apps but task manager open performance tab to and display properies > advanced.

Of actual memory yes it takes up around 17 MB and then another 3 when I load the CP, I don't count VM since I have an abundance of HD space. We're not in the early 90s anymore with 500 MB HDs.

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
:::blabber blabber Snip::341 MB.

I rest my case.

What, that the commit charge changes from 341 MB to 344 MB upon loading CCC? Yes you got me there! You do realize commit charge counts ALL the applications I have active. Just FYI, I've got 30 processes running and that includes a lot of applications.

Yea sure. I thought you said it used 17MB now you're saying 3? Got a SS? and close apps but task manager open performance tab to and display properies > advanced.

Thats the commit charge that keys was bitching about.
Not the memory usage

Here's your cookie when would you like your nap?

Don't post crap if you don't read the posts

 

[otispunkmeyer]

your all insane for arguming over a) drivers b) mem usage

i have 2gb so i dont really care too much since theres plenty to go round.

ive tried both ATI and NV drivers, and from TRYING BOTH, im glad my bro has my 9500pro and not me. i prefer the way NV drivers are and how they work. i couldnt care less for mem usage, all i know is nvidia have better solution for me.

im sorely tempted to jump on X1900XTX.....awesome prices, awesome card, but do i have the time to do a reformat? (if neccessary) well no i dont.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: thefonz

Originally posted by: Tom
Why in the heck is it necessary to have anything like CCC at all ? The vast majority of the time it is doing absolutely nothing.

It takes 17mb of memory to change screen resolutions ?? I remember when whole games came on one floppy and ran in 2 mb or less of memory.

Good games too, like Dungeon Master. How can it take 17 mbs to change screen resolutions ??

Anarchy!! Down with technology!!! We should Only have games that run on memory of 2mb or less :disgust:

Down with drivers, They use our memory which we have an excess of anyway.

THIS THREAD IS TERRIBLE

Yeah we all have 1-2 GB of memory but damn it nothing should use it! We bought this stuff to put in our sigs to show off our e-penis, not really put to use! WTF, how dare ATi create CCC? Those dirty bastards, they're taking away our "right" to use only 3 MB of system memory and no more! 7 secs of load time is a personal affront to our sensibilites and liberties!

Everyone is simply stating that the ATI CCC does in fact suck. It is bloatware. It uses way more than 17MB of system memory. JUST the exe for the CCC alone uses 17MB. It obviously increases VM usage and commit charge. There is nothing wrong with saying it sucks Joker. Here, say it with me. "Teh AtI CcC iz teh suxorz."

These are not curse words. Just a plain old factoid. Zebo, and others reported dramatic memory usage increases. But you still stick to the 17MB story. Why?

Yes the 17 Mb is just a made up story keys, you keep sticking with that.

You actually don't have a clue what I'm talking about do you?

I'll check tomorrow morning, and give you the real #'s. With screenshots, even.

 

[imported_thefonz]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
your all insane for arguming over a) drivers b) mem usage

i have 2gb so i dont really care too much since theres plenty to go round.

ive tried both ATI and NV drivers, and from TRYING BOTH, im glad my bro has my 9500pro and not me. i prefer the way NV drivers are and how they work. i couldnt care less for mem usage, all i know is nvidia have better solution for me.

im sorely tempted to jump on X1900XTX.....awesome prices, awesome card, but do i have the time to do a reformat? (if neccessary) well no i dont.

Yah I hate formating drives, I've tried using drivercleaner from going from a 9600pro to a 6600gt and I reformated anyway becuase or poor performance, I reformated too when i went to a x800gto fireblade.

I pertty much expect it anytime i get a new card, ethier nvidia or ATI.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
your all insane for arguming over a) drivers b) mem usage

i have 2gb so i dont really care too much since theres plenty to go round.

ive tried both ATI and NV drivers, and from TRYING BOTH, im glad my bro has my 9500pro and not me. i prefer the way NV drivers are and how they work. i couldnt care less for mem usage, all i know is nvidia have better solution for me.

im sorely tempted to jump on X1900XTX.....awesome prices, awesome card, but do i have the time to do a reformat? (if neccessary) well no i dont.

otis,

A reformat is a suggestion from me not a requirement. If you don't have the time for a format, then how will you make time for gaming? This isn't directed at you but haven't you guys that are complaining about a format ever heard of image backups? You can backup images of an XP installation + service packs and whatever other programs you like to install (minus drivers) and restore that in under 20 minutes.

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Zebo

When I check the processes under task manager, the 3 CLI.exe instances take up ~17 MB of memory.

It lies and hides.

This would be more a problem with Windows Task Manager than with CCC then. Anyone know of a good Task Manager alternative that doesn't hide things?


It could be .net using the extra 300MB and not ATI's CCC itself btw. If that's the case then when nVidia moves to .net, it will also be hogging more resources. Just saying someone with more time than myself should investigate instead of laying every wrong at ATI's feet.

A proper way would be a clean install of Windows, with all updates except .net installed (no video card drivers at all). Restart and a record of the commit charge should be taken at this time with how much RAM is used. Now, install .net and again, restart and check the commit charge. Now install ATI's drivers and CCC and see what the commit charge is after a restart.


Either way, every single company needs to reduce bloat starting with MS. I find it rediculous what some of the programs require as far as RAM usages goes, simply because they know that most computer users have enough real RAM for it and there's always virtual memory if a little extra is needed. Hence MS's claim that WinXP runs on 128MB of RAM...and it does run...like a snail at full speed.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Grrrrrr.

No Lego Star Wars after repair, no 3dmark06, no fresh install SS2.

If I didn't have a reason to get my hate on for ATI before, this is getting there. Cripes, to just test this thing in 3d I'm going to have to fdisk.

What a crock.

This is getting ridiculous. You're the only one who's having these major issue with an the x1800xl. Everyone else is fine. For a self proclaimed enthusiast who goes through cards at a ridiculous rate, you'd be semi competant at installing a new card. Obviously not the case.

I hope the nickles and dimes being tossed your way are worth the various defmation tactics against one company that you constantly spew on here. You're a sad lilttle man.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: Rollo
Grrrrrr.

No Lego Star Wars after repair, no 3dmark06, no fresh install SS2.

If I didn't have a reason to get my hate on for ATI before, this is getting there. Cripes, to just test this thing in 3d I'm going to have to fdisk.

What a crock.

This is getting ridiculous. You're the only one who's having these major issue with an the x1800xl. Everyone else is fine. For a self proclaimed enthusiast who goes through cards at a ridiculous rate, you'd be semi competant at installing a new card. Obviously not the case.

I hope the nickles and dimes being tossed your way are worth the various defmation tactics against one company that you constantly spew on here. You're a sad lilttle man.

Agreed. He reported te same kind of issues with a 9700 or 9800 Pro then got a 5700 and all was well. PEBCAK or FUD I say.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I really don't understand why everyone has to argue with one another. Everyone appears to have different results from switching from one set of drivers to another. Heck, if you read this forum you find people having issues w/ just upgrading their Nvidia or ATI drivers.

My experience yesterday. I sold my GTX 512 and replaced it w/ my old X800XL. I ran driver cleaner pro. rebooted, ran tweaknow regcleaner, rebooted, installed ATI CCC 6.1 and made a few setting changes. I've been good to go since and notice zero difference between the two upon booting-up to playing BF2, running straight til now.

 

[Kalessian]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Kalessian
I installed CCC once on one of my ATi systems. It's not touching another one.

I'm more of a command line type of guy. The CCC is just useless special effects. I don't think I noticed any performance hit by using it, but I like to keep a tidy system. You install CCC and a few more bloated programs, and things begin to add up.

Hell, I used to disable explorer.exe when I played games (go ahead, try it).

5150, just by seeing the condition your desktop is in is enough for me to never take computer-maintenance advice from you ever.

My desktop used to be nice and tidy but then it dawned on me, "hey I got 2 GB of ram, this isn't the DOS days where memory was in short supply". You have 2 GB as well yet disable explorer.exe? What does that net you, .005 fps more? LOL.

Yes, because the system I use that has 2GB is the only system I ever bothered to optimize.

And I said "used to" disable explorer.exe. "wow nce reding comprehension rofl newb lol LOL"

If I had to go back to 512MB playing BF or something, then yes, I would make Windows work with only 40 megs.

LOL LOL *sarcastic comment* LOL

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Kalessian

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Kalessian
I installed CCC once on one of my ATi systems. It's not touching another one.

I'm more of a command line type of guy. The CCC is just useless special effects. I don't think I noticed any performance hit by using it, but I like to keep a tidy system. You install CCC and a few more bloated programs, and things begin to add up.

Hell, I used to disable explorer.exe when I played games (go ahead, try it).

5150, just by seeing the condition your desktop is in is enough for me to never take computer-maintenance advice from you ever.

My desktop used to be nice and tidy but then it dawned on me, "hey I got 2 GB of ram, this isn't the DOS days where memory was in short supply". You have 2 GB as well yet disable explorer.exe? What does that net you, .005 fps more? LOL.

Yes, because the system I use that has 2GB is the only system I ever bothered to optimize.

And I said "used to" disable explorer.exe. "wow nce reding comprehension rofl newb lol LOL"

If I had to go back to 512MB playing BF or something, then yes, I would make Windows work with only 40 megs.

LOL LOL *sarcastic comment* LOL

So in another words, your original post had no point and you were just posting drivel. Ok I get it, you can crawl back under the rock from which you came now.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
your all insane for arguming over a) drivers b) mem usage

i have 2gb so i dont really care too much since theres plenty to go round.

ive tried both ATI and NV drivers, and from TRYING BOTH, im glad my bro has my 9500pro and not me. i prefer the way NV drivers are and how they work. i couldnt care less for mem usage, all i know is nvidia have better solution for me.

im sorely tempted to jump on X1900XTX.....awesome prices, awesome card, but do i have the time to do a reformat? (if neccessary) well no i dont.

otis,

A reformat is a suggestion from me not a requirement. If you don't have the time for a format, then how will you make time for gaming? This isn't directed at you but haven't you guys that are complaining about a format ever heard of image backups? You can backup images of an XP installation + service packs and whatever other programs you like to install (minus drivers) and restore that in under 20 minutes.

simple....i dont make time for gaming. i do it when i have a spare hour here and there. i dont know why i have SLI , i simply dont play games enough whilst at uni lol....but its nice when i do in the holiday periods

 

[Ronin]

As promised, I checked this morning on my CCC memory usage (closed and open):

Closed
Open

Closed = 106804KB (104.3MB)
Open = 153500KB (149.90MB)

The columns you see in the screenshots are:

Current Mem Usage
Peak Mem Usage
VM Usage

That's an awful lot of memory to be using just for a vid card, wouldn't you say?

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Ronin
As promised, I checked this morning on my CCC memory usage (closed and open):

Closed
Open

Closed = 106804KB (104.3MB)
Open = 153500KB (149.90MB)

The columns you see in the screenshots are:

Current Mem Usage
Peak Mem Usage
VM Usage

That's an awful lot of memory to be using just for a vid card, wouldn't you say?

*scratches head*
What are you adding up, peak mem usage? .NET apps will allocate more memory than they need and then release it. ATI also talks about this in their Catalyst FAQ. And some of those processes you've got listed there are not even for the ATI card.

Edit: Even for the "Open" reading you have, if you would have waited a couple seconds you would have seen those numbers in the first column go way down. You must have taken that screenshot right as the program opened.

 

[Ronin]

No, M0RPH. Simple math. And I waited approximately 1 minute after opening the CCC to get those numbers.

If you actually calcuated what's there, you'll find my numbers to be dead on (it's obvious you didn't take the time to do so).

I specifically didn't get into the commit charge, because I didn't feel like it (and the peak mem usage there is only there because I track mem usage for various programs for profiling purposes, but it certainly shows how much of a hog CCC can be).