ATi's CCC: Not the greatest but not that bad either.

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

NET is going to be used more and more as time goes forward even if you don't use CCC.

When nVidia's tray icon and ATi Tray Tools uses it then we can talk. Until then there is no comparison.

3 MB vs 17 MB, you guys are cracking me up!

No, this is a crack-up:

With so many people claiming how slow and abysmal CCC is, I thought I'd make a quick video illustrating that it can load under 10 secs on your PC if you know what you're doing:

I'd understand if it was using up 100-200 MB of memory

I highly doubt it. In any case what gives you the right to decide what is acceptable memory usage while trying to remove that right from me?

17 MB RAM usage, 10 MB installer size and ten second load time is unacceptable when you have a 3 MB usage, 1 MB size and zero load time utility that provides richer functionality to boot. Your thread is simply founded on fanboi delusion.

WTF are you talking about? Rights? I'm giving an opinion sure, but rights?? You act as if I'm at your place with a gun to your head saying, "You shall use 17 MB of memory or be struck down by this here gun!". I've got ~2000 MB of system memory, 17 MB is a whole 1% of that, oh my god the bloatness!! :roll: Don't worry BFG, nobody is going to take your "rights" away, you can continue to use your nV control panel and be content in excercising your right to use 3 MB.

 

[Zebo]

When I check the processes under task manager, the 3 CLI.exe instances take up ~17 MB of memory.

It lies and hides.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K

BTW how is it bloated?

This is a joke right?

When I check the processes under task manager, the 3 CLI.exe instances take up ~17 MB of memory.

My nVidia tray icon is currently only using 3 MB.

Also ATi Tray Tool's installer is less than 1 MB in size while CCC is what, 10 MB? Plus the space .NET takes.

What else is there?

Gee, I wonder how much memory .NET uses?

.NET is going to be used more and more as time goes forward even if you don't use CCC. 3 MB vs 17 MB, you guys are cracking me up! I'd understand if it was using up 100-200 MB of memory but SEVENTEEN? Gimme a break. Oh and just to clarify, I'm not some CCC fan or advocate, I'd take a faster loading CP (like the old one) over this as well. However, from what I've read of people claiming how slow it is, I found my experience to be quite the opposite. It loads in about 3 secs after the initial load and only takes up 17 MB of memory.

Dude, MS Word takes less time to load than the CCC. Give it a rest man. It's an uphill battle. ATI is sucking up to MS because of the Xbox Deal. "You need to install .NET for the CCC to work.". Anyone who has the CCC installed. Check and see what other processes it spawns when it launches. There better be something else that starts up with it because, it's just too damn slow to be the only thing. 7 seconds after a freshly reformatted drive is BEST CASE SCENARIO. That will degrade and creep on back up to the 30 second mark over time and usage of the OS.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Joker, I didnt see your desktop, I have no need to, I dont care about the CCC load time, I dont have ATI cards at present.

However, I am saying, as a IT Tech/Consultant, sprending 3-5 hours after reformatting a drive is NOT a viable or desirable solution for anyone. Well, maybe some kids with nothing better to do.

You would be better of writing a proper method for people to follow......

Re-format indeed!

SolMeister, you should write up that proper method then. Because all the good tools out there that I've tried worked to no avail. As an IT Consultant claiming he knows better, you should step up and offer a guide for us dummys.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Zebo

When I check the processes under task manager, the 3 CLI.exe instances take up ~17 MB of memory.

It lies and hides.

Thats what I mean. Are there any other processes that are spawned when CCC launches. Dependancy programs possibly?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Joker, I didnt see your desktop, I have no need to, I dont care about the CCC load time, I dont have ATI cards at present.

However, I am saying, as a IT Tech/Consultant, sprending 3-5 hours after reformatting a drive is NOT a viable or desirable solution for anyone. Well, maybe some kids with nothing better to do.

You would be better of writing a proper method for people to follow......

Re-format indeed!

SolMeister, you should write up that proper method then. Because all the good tools out there that I've tried worked to no avail. As an IT Consultant claiming he knows better, you should step up and offer a guide for us dummys.

Your not a "The buck stops here!" Type of guy are you... SolMeister has a good point. If you know a more practical way to get the CCC down in memory usage and launch time, put it down in text.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zebo

When I check the processes under task manager, the 3 CLI.exe instances take up ~17 MB of memory.

It lies and hides.

Thats what I mean. Are there any other processes that are spawned when CCC launches. Dependancy programs possibly?

Absolutly. I went from using 62MB to almost 400MB system memory after installing ATI CCC and .net. 62 + 17 should be 79 not 400.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Joker, I didnt see your desktop, I have no need to, I dont care about the CCC load time, I dont have ATI cards at present.

However, I am saying, as a IT Tech/Consultant, sprending 3-5 hours after reformatting a drive is NOT a viable or desirable solution for anyone. Well, maybe some kids with nothing better to do.

You would be better of writing a proper method for people to follow......

Re-format indeed!

SolMeister, you should write up that proper method then. Because all the good tools out there that I've tried worked to no avail. As an IT Consultant claiming he knows better, you should step up and offer a guide for us dummys.

Your not a "The buck stops here!" Type of guy are you... SolMeister has a good point. If you know a more practical way to get the CCC down in memory usage and launch time, put it down in text.

Well he says he's an IT consultant which would mean he knows what he's doing a lot more than the average user or even enthusiast. I suggested he step up and write a guide using his vast knowledge.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K

NET is going to be used more and more as time goes forward even if you don't use CCC.

When nVidia's tray icon and ATi Tray Tools uses it then we can talk. Until then there is no comparison.

3 MB vs 17 MB, you guys are cracking me up!

No, this is a crack-up:

With so many people claiming how slow and abysmal CCC is, I thought I'd make a quick video illustrating that it can load under 10 secs on your PC if you know what you're doing:

I'd understand if it was using up 100-200 MB of memory

I highly doubt it. In any case what gives you the right to decide what is acceptable memory usage while trying to remove that right from me?

17 MB RAM usage, 10 MB installer size and ten second load time is unacceptable when you have a 3 MB usage, 1 MB size and zero load time utility that provides richer functionality to boot. Your thread is simply founded on fanboi delusion.

WTF are you talking about? Rights? I'm giving an opinion sure, but rights?? You act as if I'm at your place with a gun to your head saying, "You shall use 17 MB of memory or be struck down by this here gun!". I've got ~2000 MB of system memory, 17 MB is a whole 1% of that, oh my god the bloatness!! :roll: Don't worry BFG, nobody is going to take your "rights" away, you can continue to use your nV control panel and be content in excercising your right to use 3 MB.

Last time I checked, unless he has purchased something new, BFG has a passively cooled X800XL. Still want him to use the 3MB NV control panel? LMAO.

 

[aggressor]

Just give me the Catalyst 6.2 drivers and an updated ATI Tray Tools and I'll be content. I don't know why people bother defending CCC

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K

NET is going to be used more and more as time goes forward even if you don't use CCC.

When nVidia's tray icon and ATi Tray Tools uses it then we can talk. Until then there is no comparison.

3 MB vs 17 MB, you guys are cracking me up!

No, this is a crack-up:

With so many people claiming how slow and abysmal CCC is, I thought I'd make a quick video illustrating that it can load under 10 secs on your PC if you know what you're doing:

I'd understand if it was using up 100-200 MB of memory

I highly doubt it. In any case what gives you the right to decide what is acceptable memory usage while trying to remove that right from me?

17 MB RAM usage, 10 MB installer size and ten second load time is unacceptable when you have a 3 MB usage, 1 MB size and zero load time utility that provides richer functionality to boot. Your thread is simply founded on fanboi delusion.

WTF are you talking about? Rights? I'm giving an opinion sure, but rights?? You act as if I'm at your place with a gun to your head saying, "You shall use 17 MB of memory or be struck down by this here gun!". I've got ~2000 MB of system memory, 17 MB is a whole 1% of that, oh my god the bloatness!! :roll: Don't worry BFG, nobody is going to take your "rights" away, you can continue to use your nV control panel and be content in excercising your right to use 3 MB.

Last time I checked, unless he has purchased something new, BFG has a passively cooled X800XL. Still want him to use the 3MB NV control panel? LMAO.

I knew you were slow:

My nVidia tray icon is currently only using 3 MB.

 

[SolMiester]

Write a paper for you?, taint my machine with an ATI card!. You cant be serious......LOL

What many of you forget when changing video cards is the game config files, best practice is to delete and re-config for your new card.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ctrl+Alt+Delete and click performance tab if you want to see how aweful they are.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Given that a lot of new XT/XTX owners are migrating from nVidia, I personally think it is worthwhile to do a complete format despite some who object to this and say it is unnecessary. It was taking CCC around 20+ secs to load before I formatted and this was even after using Driver Cleaner and a registry cleaner. Now after the initial load (~7 secs) CCC tends to load within 3 seconds when in memory.

I used driver cleaner and 3dmark still won't run.

IMO, this is PART of the abysmal nature of CCC. If I have to re-format to use this card it may well be on its way back to newegg. Cripes, talk about a time suck.

 

[SolMiester]

Why use the CCC drivers, they have standard driver dont they!

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
huh??? You can turn off scaling and run your LCD and what ever res with black bars around it or you can enable scaling and fill in the whole screen.

With ATI's drivers? Not a chance. I and a few others on these boards all have experienced problems with ATI's drivers and 1:1 pixel ratio scaling, and not one person has ever told us they work. Which drivers are you using, and which resolutions have you tested? Perhaps ATI is giving special treatment to you because you bought an X1800XT?

Oh, and on the initial load my CCC took about 5 seconds to load. I thought that was the long amount of time everyone was talking about...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K

NET is going to be used more and more as time goes forward even if you don't use CCC.

When nVidia's tray icon and ATi Tray Tools uses it then we can talk. Until then there is no comparison.

3 MB vs 17 MB, you guys are cracking me up!

No, this is a crack-up:

With so many people claiming how slow and abysmal CCC is, I thought I'd make a quick video illustrating that it can load under 10 secs on your PC if you know what you're doing:

I'd understand if it was using up 100-200 MB of memory

I highly doubt it. In any case what gives you the right to decide what is acceptable memory usage while trying to remove that right from me?

17 MB RAM usage, 10 MB installer size and ten second load time is unacceptable when you have a 3 MB usage, 1 MB size and zero load time utility that provides richer functionality to boot. Your thread is simply founded on fanboi delusion.

WTF are you talking about? Rights? I'm giving an opinion sure, but rights?? You act as if I'm at your place with a gun to your head saying, "You shall use 17 MB of memory or be struck down by this here gun!". I've got ~2000 MB of system memory, 17 MB is a whole 1% of that, oh my god the bloatness!! :roll: Don't worry BFG, nobody is going to take your "rights" away, you can continue to use your nV control panel and be content in excercising your right to use 3 MB.

Last time I checked, unless he has purchased something new, BFG has a passively cooled X800XL. Still want him to use the 3MB NV control panel? LMAO.

I knew you were slow:

My nVidia tray icon is currently only using 3 MB.

Apparently, you're no speedy gonzalez yourself pimping the CCC AND .NET. I'll admit I missed that line from BFG. I only saw his sig. But what you're doing is pretty damn laughable.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SolMiester
Why use the CCC drivers, they have standard driver dont they!

You still need .net and FWIW ATI says you must have CCC for 1800 or higher cards.

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: Zebo

When I check the processes under task manager, the 3 CLI.exe instances take up ~17 MB of memory.

It lies and hides.

Toggle the VM viewable in your Task Manager and see what else it's using, Joker.

 

[xtknight]

Just check your commit charge under task manager with no CCC and with CCC. Don't go by what it says under cli.exe. What makes it slow is probably the .NET virtual machine, or it could just be crappy coding too. Why they wrote it in .NET I'll never know. .NET is mostly intended for large server applications (best suited anyway). The control panel tab they had before was just fine. It was fast, and it did what it was supposed to do. Who needs real-time viewing of their mipmap settings in some small meaningless window? :roll: They just need something new for you to download, that's all. In this case, something needlessly more bloated. But they needed something new. It isn't just ATI doing this either, it's software in general too.

 

[Zebo]

All I did was install win2k, Sp4, nV mobo drivers then commited Black Vipers "internet gateway" services disableing which knocked me down to 62MB ram use.

I then installed .net and CCC and ram use went to 400MB. To me that means it uses 300MB + regaudless of what it says in processes menu .

I put card up for sale same day I got it.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Zebo
All I did was install win2k, Sp4, nV mobo drivers then commited Black Vipers "internet gateway" services disableing which knocked me down to 62MB ram use.

I then installed .net and CCC and ram use went to 400MB. To me that means it uses 300MB regaudless of what it says in processes menu .

Holy crap.

 

[Tom]

Why in the heck is it necessary to have anything like CCC at all ? The vast majority of the time it is doing absolutely nothing.

It takes 17mb of memory to change screen resolutions ?? I remember when whole games came on one floppy and ran in 2 mb or less of memory.

Good games too, like Dungeon Master. How can it take 17 mbs to change screen resolutions ??

 

[sandorski]

I really don't know what the big deal is. Other than initial setup, I never use the Properties in CCC or the Property Tabs. Get something like Tray Tools or a an app like Radlinker to setup games individually. Personally I don't have the patience to adjust Properties everytime I want to play a game.

 

[nRollo]

Grrrrrr.

No Lego Star Wars after repair, no 3dmark06, no fresh install SS2.

If I didn't have a reason to get my hate on for ATI before, this is getting there. Cripes, to just test this thing in 3d I'm going to have to fdisk.

What a crock.