ATI once again beat by Nvidia.. now two generations behind!

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: apoppin
:roll:

This icon is your answer for everything.


BTW, what's there to back up? It's not going to happen. The R580's architecture isn't what you think it is, and it sure as hell won't be here in January (in launch OR quantity).

So, unless the information in the past that I've given is wrong, you have no reason not to take my word on this. But hey, you ATi guys like to dream, so more power. Don't listen. But I'll happily say "I told you so" AGAIN.


Edit: If you're not able to read your own posts, I'd say you have a personal problem.

TRY AGAIN and ANSWER the question . . .i see you are taking devbating 'tips' from Rollo:

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Ronin
Hardly. Hard facts are hard to refute. You made your statement as fact. What FACTS do you have that brings the X1800XT even keel with a 512MB GTX? Let's see it. That's what I want you to back up (which is funny, by the way...those of you in the ATi camp are counting on rumors of a card...the mysterious and all powerful R580.....do the nVidia fellas a favor and hold your breath, k?).

19000 posts and you still don't get it. I swear you amaze me at least once a day.

putting words in my mouth again . . . find where i said 'the X1800XT [is on an] even keel with a 512MB GTX"
:thumbsdown:

Let's see it.

You even quoted me and you don't get it . . . but i am not surprised . . . must be a problem with 'shimmer' on your screen
:roll:

 

[RussianSensation]

Yeah that's right....Nvidia's stock continues to fall and ATI's rose over last 2 months. Should we even start comparing overall market share....?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: apoppin
:roll:

This icon is your answer for everything.


BTW, what's there to back up? It's not going to happen. The R580's architecture isn't what you think it is, and it sure as hell won't be here in January (in launch OR quantity).

So, unless the information in the past that I've given is wrong, you have no reason not to take my word on this. But hey, you ATi guys like to dream, so more power. Don't listen. But I'll happily say "I told you so" AGAIN.


Edit: If you're not able to read your own posts, I'd say you have a personal problem.

afaics he never typed '512'

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
TRY AGAIN and ANSWER the question . . .i see you are taking devbating 'tips' from Rollo:

Its a waste when people assume things you havent said ..

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: apoppin
TRY AGAIN and ANSWER the question . . .i see you are taking devbating 'tips' from Rollo:

Its a waste when people assume things you havent said ..

Video is a waste . . . like P&N
:thumbsdown:

 

[dug777]

The fact remains at the end of the day that this 'two generations' crap is complete nonsense

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: dug777
The fact remains at the end of the day that this 'two generations' crap is complete nonsense

Pretty much, people are not even responding to that flame-bait anymore ... :laugh:

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
btw, let me quote what rollo raid about a 5800U

The guys that say the 5800 is noisey:
It is totally silent in 2d, the fan doesn't run.
In 3d it's definitely noticeable, it sounds like a case tricked for OCing with some a big fan or two. With the audio of the game going it's not that noticeable.

Sooooo, the noise level on a 5800 isnt noticable in gaming but the x1800xt can be heard???

Hypocricy. :laugh:

Hypocricy, fair and balanced my ass.

Welcome back? :thumbsdown: :roll:

Yes, sorry, I had better things to do.

Show off any stacks of video cards lately.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: dug777
The fact remains at the end of the day that this 'two generations' crap is complete nonsense

Pretty much, people are not even responding to that flame-bait anymore ... :laugh:

should have been locked a long time ago . . . but the mod DID say:
You guys are on your own over there. We simply do not have the time to police all of the Fanboy threads, besides, most of them are nothing more than "spirited" debates. Well, debating is about winning and losing, not whining! Get over it people! . . .

i guess Ronin is still rereading my quote. . . shall i explain it to him?
:roll:

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Yeah that's right....Nvidia's stock continues to fall and ATI's rose over last 2 months. Should we even start comparing overall market share....?

You know somehow I doubt that

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: apoppin
:roll:

:roll:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ronin

Originally posted by: apoppin
:roll:

:roll:

glad you finally figured it out

anything else you'd like me to explain or back-up?

 

[Ronin]

Yeah.

Any reason why you have to edit practically every one of your posts? Don't you proofread? (and for the love of GOD, take out the <BR><BR> in your sig. It's not doing a damn thing).

 

[IceMole]

I want my click back.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Lets see:

Originally posted by: Rage3D
Neither card (7800GTX or X1800XT) is loud enough to make one superior to the other however, both are quiet enough to essentially make fan noise a non-issue.

Of course you neglected to post the line above that:

Compared to the fan on the 7800 GTX I would say the X1800XT fan is a little louder in both 2D and 3D modes and that it makes a slight "wrrrrrrr" kind of sound whereas the 7800 GTX fan makes a more acceptable "shhhhhhh" kind of sound

Rage3d says the XT is louder, B3d say the GTX is?

Originally posted by: TechReport
The two X1800 cards are reasonably quiet.

Again, you only took what you wanted and quoted out of context:
The graph shows the XT as 4.2dB louder than the 256GTX.

Originally posted by: Extremetech
Under heavy load, it's just a bit more noisy than we'd like, but we're sticklers for quiet computer parts.

Again, you ignored the line above it that read:

We're a bit disappointed that ATI hasn't managed to get its cooling solution for this card down to a single slot or significantly reduce its noise output, relative to the Radeon X850 XT

Which directly contradicts B3ds assertion that the X800s are at the exact same volume as the X1800XTs.

Hardocp ignored on purpose. (I did say barring one or two reviews) <- could be attributed to faulty test cards.

You have no proof of this? Basically you're just saying it "might be" with no reason to do so?

You left out the CGW article wherein they said:

We're a bit disappointed that ATI hasn't managed to get it's cooling solution for this card down to a single slot or significantly reduce it's noise output. Under heavy load, it's just a bit too noisy a card

So much for your "debunking" FUD. :laugh: You should read up before you post.

Maybe you should, as I just pointed out how you cherry picked the "positives" out of my links, speculated without reason to do so, and ignored information that would have hurt your laughable "argument"? :rollwned (tm)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Yeah.

Any reason why you have to edit practically every one of your posts? Don't you proofread? (and for the love of GOD, take out the <BR><BR> in your sig. It's not doing a damn thing).

rarely do i proofread . . . until after i post . . . and since i am on dialup it may take an extra few seconds. you seem to be the only one annoyed by it but i will try for perfection in posting in the future. . . . OK?

i am going to change my sig . . . i will fix the <BR><BR> in my sig for you at that time

anything else?
[i am NOT changing my hair colour, however]
:Q

don't believe in GOD's love either . . .


edited.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Of course you neglected to post the line above that:

Compared to the fan on the 7800 GTX I would say the X1800XT fan is a little louder in both 2D and 3D modes and that it makes a slight "wrrrrrrr" kind of sound whereas the 7800 GTX fan makes a more acceptable "shhhhhhh" kind of sound.

Which is followed by ...

Neither card (7800GTX or X1800XT) is loud enough to make one superior to the other however, both are quiet enough to essentially make fan noise a non-issue.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Rage3d says the XT is louder, B3d say the GTX is?

b3d didnt compare XT to the GTX. Different rigs/conditions might have led to different readings.

Originally posted by: Rollo
Again, you only took what you wanted and quoted out of context:
The graph shows the XT as 4.2dB louder than the 256GTX.

Nothing out of context. All I'm seeing and reading is the XT is louder but not to the level that you are making it out to be. Get it? (I would highly recommend you going back to read which point I challenged you and keys on)

Originally posted by: Rollo
Again, you ignored the line above it that read:

We're a bit disappointed that ATI hasn't managed to get its cooling solution for this card down to a single slot or significantly reduce its noise output, relative to the Radeon X850 XT

Which directly contradicts B3ds assertion that the X800s are at the exact same volume as the X1800XTs.

Again, you should probably read what you are quoting yourself. :laugh: Extremetech is dissappointed that ATI didnt reduce the noise from X850 to X1800. They didnt imply it got worse either. <- which you are implying above.

Originally posted by: Rollo

Hardocp ignored on purpose. (I did say barring one or two reviews) <- could be attributed to faulty test cards.

You have no proof of this? Basically you're just saying it "might be" with no reason to do so?

You left out the CGW article

Like I said, I read one review which said the 7800GT had a whine to it. I gave it the benefit of doubt of being a faulty card. Why shouldnt I give the same benefit of doubt to ATI? I dont have double-standards .. I left out CGW because no one verified it and you are not trustable enough.

Originally posted by: Rollo

So much for your "debunking" FUD. :laugh: You should read up before you post.

Maybe you should, as I just pointed out how you cherry picked the "positives" out of my links, speculated without reason to do so, and ignored information that would have hurt your laughable "argument"? :rollwned (tm)

I cherry picked the positives as none of the articles proved your point. Since I was told countless reviews said so, I want to see countless reviews saying that X1800 has a whine to it, then I'll believe it.

And yeah if you say "owned" yourself its moot. :laugh:

 

[LiquidImpulse]

i think maybe we should all just abandon this thread, its becoming a restless rant of very miniscule details. ex. the "sound" that the X1800XT makes compared to a 7800GTX. lets put the guns down ppl

 

[nRollo]

Dingo:
Every one of my links either said the XT is loud, most said louder than the GTX.

I produced five links, you produced none.

People who can read know who is winning this argument. :roll

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Dingo:
Every one of my links either said the XT is loud, most said louder than the GTX.

I produced five links, you produced none.

People who can read know who is winning this argument. :roll

Sigh: :roll:

(I would highly recommend you going back to read which point I challenged you and keys on)

<edit> Yes, they know who is winning it. And who is "spinning" the argument. :laugh:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Rollo
Here you go Dingo, I feel like de-bunking your FUD:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDEx

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/atix1800xt/index.php?p=8#Cooling%20Unit

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/radeon-x1000/index.x?pg=16

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1867252,00.asp

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1724481&enterthread=y

Funny how you, Ackmed, and nts point at that B3d review and say "nothing to see here" when reveiwers are all saying "WTH? This is one noisey card!"?

What's up with that? None of you actually OWN or have heard a X1800XT, yet here you are trying to tell people there are no moise issue when several reviewers obviously disagree.

Lets see:

Originally posted by: Rage3D
Neither card (7800GTX or X1800XT) is loud enough to make one superior to the other however, both are quiet enough to essentially make fan noise a non-issue.

Originally posted by: TechReport
The two X1800 cards are reasonably quiet.

Originally posted by: Extremetech
Under heavy load, it's just a bit more noisy than we'd like, but we're sticklers for quiet computer parts.

Hardocp ignored on purpose. (I did say barring one or two reviews) <- could be attributed to faulty test cards.

So where is this "whine" coming from? Imaginary? Most probably be. (As I dont see most of the reviews not mentioning it.

I've also read that the 7800GT has a whine to it and is as loud as X1800XL. But I since I dont own one and it doesnt make me happy, I dont go around spreading FUD for some pathetic reasons.

So much for your "debunking" FUD. :laugh: You should read up before you post.

While we are waiting for Kris Kubicki's reply (I PM'd him about it) why don't we just ask the X1800XT owners in here how there cards sound? Sounds like a plan no?

Lets see, we have: rcabor, bjc112, stlcardinals, and soon Ronin will have one as well.

Guys? Any comments on the noise level on your X1800XT's? Is there a whine or not? Is is annoyingly loud or not? etc.etc. Be detailed as you can be.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
While we are waiting for Kris Kubicki's reply (I PM'd him about it) why don't we just ask the X1800XT owners in here how there cards sound? Sounds like a plan no?

Lets see, we have: rcabor, bjc112, stlcardinals, and soon Ronin will have one as well.

Guys? Any comments on the noise level on your X1800XT's? Is there a whine or not? Is is annoyingly loud or not? etc.etc. Be detailed as you can be.

So are you backing out of providing me with countless reviews complaining about the whine?

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Once again, B3D shows the X1800XT as being quieter, and less power hungery than both GTX's.

http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/78512/index.php?p=13

http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/ati/r520/index2.php?p=31

Ackmed:
CGW, ExtremeTech, The Tech Report, HardOCp, and Rage3d all say the X1800XT is loud, and/or louder than the GTXs.

Funny how B3d seems to be the only one saying it isn't? (besides you, of course)

B3D's owner is an Ati fanboy in case you guys didn't know.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Rollo
Here you go Dingo, I feel like de-bunking your FUD:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=ODg1LDEx

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/atix1800xt/index.php?p=8#Cooling%20Unit

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q4/radeon-x1000/index.x?pg=16

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1867252,00.asp

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1724481&enterthread=y

Funny how you, Ackmed, and nts point at that B3d review and say "nothing to see here" when reveiwers are all saying "WTH? This is one noisey card!"?

What's up with that? None of you actually OWN or have heard a X1800XT, yet here you are trying to tell people there are no moise issue when several reviewers obviously disagree.

Lets see:

Originally posted by: Rage3D
Neither card (7800GTX or X1800XT) is loud enough to make one superior to the other however, both are quiet enough to essentially make fan noise a non-issue. Compared to the fan on the 7800 GTX I would say the X1800XT fan is a little louder in both 2D and 3D modes and that it makes a slight "wrrrrrrr" kind of sound whereas the 7800 GTX fan makes a more acceptable "shhhhhhh" kind of sound (how's that for literary skill?).

fixed for ya

Originally posted by: TechReport
The two X1800 cards are reasonably quiet. The XT's dual-slot cooler can be loud when it kicks into high gear.

fixed for ya.

Originally posted by: Extremetech
Under heavy load, it's just a bit more noisy than we'd like, but we're sticklers for quiet computer parts. We're a bit disappointed that ATI hasn't managed to get its cooling solution for this card down to a single slot or significantly reduce its noise output.

fixed for ya

Hardocp ignored on purpose. (I did say barring one or two reviews) <- could be attributed to faulty test cards.

So where is this "whine" coming from? Imaginary? Most probably be. (As I dont see most of the reviews not mentioning it.

I've also read that the 7800GT has a whine to it and is as loud as X1800XL. But I since I dont own one and it doesnt make me happy, I dont go around spreading FUD for some pathetic reasons.

So much for your "debunking" FUD. :laugh: You should read up before you post.

All of your responses were "cherry picked" from each of Rollo's links. I Added some more from each site to put things into context. You cant just take a few words from a few sentences to prove any point. I don't know why you did that. Nobody should take your responses here in this post seriously and even ignore my "fixed for ya's" and go read what is actually behind each link Rollo posted. Funny you say to read before you post, because when people click those links to actually read the articles and the reviewers comments on noise, they will see how you sort of "left stuff out"

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
All of your responses were "cherry picked" from each of Rollo's links. I Added some more from each site to put things into context. You cant just take a few words from a few sentences to prove any point. I don't know why you did that. Nobody should take your responses here in this post seriously and even ignore my "fixed for ya's" and go read what is actually behind each link Rollo posted. Funny you say to read before you post, because when people click those links to actually read the articles and the reviewers comments on noise, they will see how you sort of "left stuff out"

rofl ... you both are now really stretchin it. One of you (Rollo) has a really weak argument here because he was the one who said the loudness wasnt a factor while gaming. (in defense of 5800U) Double standards ..

You complained about the "whine". None of those prove your case.

And I'm still waiting for those countless (non-existant) reviews which highlighted this whine. :laugh: You not providing them is quite telling.

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