ATI is not HDCP ready

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imported_Crusader

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I guess I dont see what the problem is with recognizing that NV had a record year and ATI looks like are approaching hard times?

Is that a flame war? Or should we be frolicking around like little faeries in peace and harmony, esp with bad news around ATI everywhere.. theres no reason for alarm.. its ATI right? They can do no wrong.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Crusader

And Goodbye ATI? I guess I didnt mean to offend you, are you brand loyal to ATI or something? ;)

The simple fact that you think ATi is going anywhere is the part I find idiotic. You have no clue, I am sorry.
 

crazydingo

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Crusader
Go Nvidia! Too bad for ATI
You're a little green to start flamewars in here my friend.
And he was a little upset when people called him that. I guess calling a duck, a duck is "flaming"...
 

imported_Crusader

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Crusader

And Goodbye ATI? I guess I didnt mean to offend you, are you brand loyal to ATI or something? ;)

The simple fact that you think ATi is going anywhere is the part I find idiotic. You have no clue, I am sorry.

It appears Nvidia is going somewhere at least.

Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2006 and Recent Highlights:

-- Gross margin improved to 40.2 percent, an increase of 110 basis points
sequentially from the third quarter fiscal 2006, and 600 basis points
year-over-year.
-- NVIDIA increased its leadership share position in the desktop graphics
processing unit (GPU) segment to 51 percent share, according to the
Mercury Research Fourth Quarter 2005 PC Graphics Report.
-- NVIDIA shipped the NVIDIA nForce(R) 4 SLI XE and NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra
Intel media and communications processors (MCPs). They represent the
Company's first discrete chipsets targeted at mainstream Intel-based
motherboards. NVIDIA nForce MCP revenue for the fourth quarter of
fiscal 2006 increased 83 percent year-over-year and has achieved record
revenue for six consecutive quarters.
-- NVIDIA and Dell showcased the first ever Quad SLI(TM) PC -- the
Dimension XPS Renegade -- at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) 2006,
and earned the "Best of CES 2006" award for gaming.
-- The NVIDIA Quadro(R) professional product line increased its revenue
42 percent from the fourth quarter fiscal 2005 and again achieved
record revenue.
-- NVIDIA introduced three new notebook GPUs -- the GeForce(R) Go 7800,
GeForce Go 7600 and GeForce Go 7400 -- with leading tier one and system
builders worldwide.
-- NVIDIA shipped two new GeForce 7 desktop GPUs -- the GeForce 7800 GTX
512 and GeForce 7300 GS -- for the enthusiast and mainstream desktop PC
segments.
-- NVIDIA announced its intent to acquire ULi Electronics Inc., one of the
PC industry's most highly-regarded core logic developers.
-- NVIDIA announced that NVIDIA Quadro professional graphics will offer
Adobe users direct GPU acceleration capabilities that increase
application performance and video editing workflow for Adobe Product
Studio. As a member of the Adobe OpenHD Alliance, NVIDIA is working
with the industry to develop tools and technologies that enhance the
productivity of HD video creation.
-- NVIDIA unveiled the NVIDIA GoForce(R) 5500 handheld GPU, the industry's
first handheld GPU to enable true, DVD-quality video, full H.264
processing for fluid digital TV, high-fidelity surround sound, rapid
multi-shot photography, and console-class 3D graphics. Phones based on
the NVIDIA GoForce 5500 handheld GPU are expected to be available from
key handset manufacturers before the 2006 holiday season.

:)
 

crazydingo

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Originally posted by: Crusader
It appears Nvidia is going somewhere at least. :)
+1 for going offtopic.

And to think you were the one with the "Ban anyone that goes off topic ..." motion :D

+1 Hypocrisy. ;)

 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Crusader
Go Nvidia! Too bad for ATI
You're a little green to start flamewars in here my friend.
And he was a little upset when people called him that. I guess calling a duck, a duck is "flaming"...


Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I think ATI will face a class-action lawsuit fairly soon.

Ouch. ATI doesnt need this now.
Good bye ATI.




That was his first post, things have been getting calmer around here lately and it would be nice if it stayed that way.
 

imported_Crusader

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Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: Crusader
It appears Nvidia is going somewhere at least. :)
+1 for going offtopic.

And to think you were the one with the "Ban anyone that goes off topic ..." motion :D

+1 Hypocrisy. ;)

actually Ackmed went offtopic first. I just followed.

Go after your teammate now. Dont show YOUR hypocrisy by picking me out! ;)
 

fierydemise

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Crusader I wouldn't say ATI is headed for tough times they're producing GPUs for xbox360, they have the performance crown, they have an IQ advantage with HDR+AA angle in dependant AF (I know G71 will have it too) and very efficient AA, AVIVO and the AIW line of cards. ATI has alot of things going for them, nVidia may have had a great year without much competition for a solid 6 months but ATI is coming back strong with R520 and R580.
 

crazydingo

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Originally posted by: Crusader
actually Ackmed went offtopic first. I just followed.
No, you did. He followed you.


Originally posted by: Crusader
Go after your teammate now. Dont show YOUR hypocrisy by picking me out! ;)
Team-mate? Like you are Rollos? :p

I'd appreciate if you wouldnt degrade this thread any further and kept things like these to PMs.
 

Janooo

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader I wouldn't say ATI is headed for tough times they're producing GPUs for xbox360, they have the performance crown, they have an IQ advantage with HDR+AA angle in dependant AF (I know G71 will have it too) and very efficient AA, AVIVO and the AIW line of cards. ATI has alot of things going for them, nVidia may have had a great year without much competition for a solid 6 months but ATI is coming back strong with R520 and R580.


QFT
 

RobertR1

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader I wouldn't say ATI is headed for tough times they're producing GPUs for xbox360, they have the performance crown, they have an IQ advantage with HDR+AA angle in dependant AF (I know G71 will have it too) and very efficient AA, AVIVO and the AIW line of cards. ATI has alot of things going for them, nVidia may have had a great year without much competition for a solid 6 months but ATI is coming back strong with R520 and R580.

They will also be supplying the chips for the Revolution and the Mac notebooks.

Back on topic, it's false advertising to claim HDCP ready and then start deleting the marketing material off the site.
 

crazydingo

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Originally posted by: RobertR1
Back on topic, it's false advertising to claim HDCP ready and then start deleting the marketing material off the site.
Its back on the site, to be honest I didnt notice it went "missing"..
 

imported_Crusader

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Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: Crusader
actually Ackmed went offtopic first. I just followed.
No, you did. He followed you.


Originally posted by: Crusader
Go after your teammate now. Dont show YOUR hypocrisy by picking me out! ;)
Team-mate? Like you are Rollos? :p

I'd appreciate if you wouldnt degrade this thread any further and kept things like these to PMs.

I did not go offtopic first, I merely commented on this thread. You need to reread through it. Sorry.

I was referring to the business end, not the actual cards. NV appears to really be going somewhere in the business department. ATIs troubles arent with the Radeon, its with their business if this turns into a class action lawsuit, which it probably will.
I like the X1K series.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader I wouldn't say ATI is headed for tough times they're producing GPUs for xbox360,

Actually they only helped design the GPU, MS is going to be making them. They did not want to pay a cut on every GPU like the original XboX. (Although NVIDIA does get a cut of every XboX360 sale).
 

Janooo

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Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Back on topic, it's false advertising to claim HDCP ready and then start deleting the marketing material off the site.
Its back on the site, to be honest I didnt notice it went "missing"..


You are right. HDCP ready is "still" or "back" on ATI web site. I guess more information will follow.
 

jrphoenix

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Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: Crusader
It appears Nvidia is going somewhere at least. :)
+1 for going offtopic.

And to think you were the one with the "Ban anyone that goes off topic ..." motion :D

+1 Hypocrisy. ;)

He's also the guy who says he lurked on the forums for 6 years before joining to defend Rollo & AEG. His sig used to say ban anyone that mentions AEG. LOL... Come on?
 

imported_Crusader

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: fierydemise
Crusader I wouldn't say ATI is headed for tough times they're producing GPUs for xbox360,

Actually they only helped design the GPU, MS is going to be making them. They did not want to pay a cut on every GPU like the original XboX. (Although NVIDIA does get a cut of every XboX360 sale).

I dont want to dare start talking about NV/ATI again, because its clear this forum likes to concenrate on slandering people (me and Rollo, among others).

But what do they get the cut for? Backwards compatibility?

 

DeathReborn

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Originally posted by: crazydingo
Originally posted by: RobertR1
Back on topic, it's false advertising to claim HDCP ready and then start deleting the marketing material off the site.
Its back on the site, to be honest I didnt notice it went "missing"..

They must have realised they've been caught removing the information, which won't look too good in court (coverup).
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Crusader
Originally posted by: shuttleboi
I think ATI will face a class-action lawsuit fairly soon.

Ouch. ATI doesnt need this now.
Good bye ATI.

Most idiotic statement Ive read in a long time. And thats saying a lot from the posts on these boards.

For once i agree with ackmed :thumbsup:
 

rbV5

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Originally posted by: fierydemise
The tricky part is the phrasing isn't really false, misleading yes but not false.

There's nothing "tricky" about it, its clearly false misrepresentation of the feature set support. The spec page may not be real clear, however the ATI AVIVO whitepaper states: Link
? HD-Disc playback: Next-generation blue-laser optical discs such as Blu-ray and HDDVD
and
? HDCP capability to enable the viewing of protected content

Sounds like BS to me. ATI is also supposedly shipping OEM cards that fully support HDCP, so any excuse that hardware level support is yet to be full worked out would seem t be BS as well.

Having to pay additional costs to enable hardware support for H264 decoding is a poor move IMO, and false claims for hardware feature support concerning HDCP is even worse. Amazingly, some partners sound to be under the false impression that cards could be patched to include the support later down the road....wrong.

Bad move ATI, bad move:(
 

DeathReborn

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Originally posted by: fierydemise
The tricky part is the phrasing isn't really false, misleading yes but not false.

There's nothing "tricky" about it, its clearly false misrepresentation of the feature set support. The spec page may not be real clear, however the ATI AVIVO whitepaper states: Link
? HD-Disc playback: Next-generation blue-laser optical discs such as Blu-ray and HDDVD
and
? HDCP capability to enable the viewing of protected content

Sounds like BS to me. ATI is also supposedly shipping OEM cards that fully support HDCP, so any excuse that hardware level support is yet to be full worked out would seem t be BS as well.

Having to pay additional costs to enable hardware support for H264 decoding is a poor move IMO, and false claims for hardware feature support concerning HDCP is even worse. Amazingly, some partners sound to be under the false impression that cards could be patched to include the support later down the road....wrong.

Bad move ATI, bad move:(

Sony got HDCP OEM Cards with a nVidia Chipset but other than that I know of no big vendor offering HDCP Compliant cards for any chip. nVidia may have a get out of jail card in their refernce design WITH HDCP built into the design but it's not the strongest defense.

I wonder, since Intel (well an offshoot of anyway) created HDCP, will ANY Intel IGP''s support HDCP... none that i'm aware of. It looks like nobody is up to speed with this technology yet some claim to be.
 

Woofmeister

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Hi folks, Woofmeister here. You all know me and you know that I'm one of you--a computer enthusiast who is interested in making sure that everyone gets the best computer graphics experience possible. I own both ATI and Nvidia brand cards and all of you know that I'm not a "fanboy" for either company.

That being said, ATI seems to have clearly lied about their cards being ?HDCP ready? and I?m sure that a class action is in the offing. The thing is that most class actions don't end up getting much for the class and I am concerned that if the typical class action lawyer gets a hold of this, we can expect more of the same. I?d hate to see this case settled with coupons rather than using the suit to force the GPU manufacturers to live up to their promises and implement full HDCP functionality. If ATI is forced to do it, Nvidia will voluntarily follow so as not to lose market advantage.

For that reason, I'm going to get proactive and get a group of us ATI card holders together to see if we can't get some legal redress from ATI. A class action is inevitable; so we, the actual video card purchasers should try to control it.

Send me a PM if you are interested and I will start compiling a list. You must be a U.S. citizen or legal resident, 18 or over and a purchaser of an ATI branded card to be included. Please also indicate your state of legal residence in your PM.

Hurry, I'm sure a lawsuit is going to be filed next week and I want to make sure that the actual video card buying public get a say in how this thing gets handled.